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"Actually all known evidence suggests that the ashes and bones in the glass display at the foot of the Sobibor monument are what they are stated to be, ashes and bones of Jews murdered at Sobibor." Liar. Prove it. Retardo: "Ashes and bones can be seen here." Prove that those are human "ashes." Retardo: "And bone fragments can still be found on site." Not single pound of crushed bone has ever been located at Treblinka or Sobibor. NOT ONE SINGLE POUND - NOT ONE SINGLE TOOTH. Retardo: "Proof of any amount of crushed bone, any number of surviving teeth real or artificial and any amount of charred human remains that corresponds to the mass murder at Sobibor has been provided, Mr. Gerdes." Any amount? How about ONE POUND of crushed bone? How about ONE REAL tooth? How about ONE PHOTO of "charred human remains?" ONE retardo. ONE. |
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"Don’t you think it’s about time for you to quit your Let’s see?" No, I think it's time for you to show us: ONE POUND of crushed bone. ONE REAL tooth. ONE PHOTO of "charred human remains?" ONE retardo. ONE. Retardo: The issue is that Mr. Gerdes cannot explain the relevance of the "Let’s see" and "Can your show" – for the purpose of proving mass murder." Yes I can dull one: NO BONES = NO MASS GRAVES = NO HOLOCAUST Thank you retardo. Have I ever told you that you're priceless? Retardo: "And yes, I can show you descriptions of a number of mass graves obviously containing far more than your "one percent". I'm not asking for descriptions - I'm asking for proof. What part of the word proof don't you understand dull one? Priceless. |
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I haven’t yet come across a criminal site investigation report for Sobibor but there is an archaeological report (in a broader sense) in the form of Prof. Kola’s public statements quoted in a Reuters press release kindly provided by Gerdes: Quote: "Polish archaeologists excavating the Nazi death camp in Sobibor said on Friday they had found mass graves at the site, which was evacuated by German occupying forces in October 1943 after a prisoner uprising. The excavations were the first since World War Two at the former camp, which was subsequently forested over. They could provide valuable new evidence on the number of victims, mainly Jews, who died in the Sobibor gas chambers. According to official Polish accounts, 250,000 people were killed in Sobibor, which was opened in May 1942 and lies close to the eastern border with Ukraine.''We uncovered seven mass graves with an average depth of five meters. In them there were charred human remains and under them remains in a state of decay. That means that in the final stage the victims were burned,'' archaeologist Andrzej Kola was quoted by the Polish PAP news agency telling a news conference. He said the largest grave measured 70 meters by 25 meters, the others 20 by 25 meters.' Oh thank you dull one. (Have I ever told you that you're priceless?) 1 -Let's see proof that there have been any "excavations" of any alleged mass grave at Sobibor. 2 - Let's see the exact location - photo with accurate descripion and plotted on a map - of ALL 7 alleged "huge mass graves." 3 - Let's see proof that there has been - "Charred human remians / remains in a state of decay / burned" - bodies found at Sobibor. Regardo: "These photos show but a small fraction of the human remains found at the camps in question." Liar. They show virtually all the human remains found at the camps in question. In fact, for most of them, you can't prove that they were taken at the claimed locations. Of course, you're free to show us EXACTLY were the rest of the remians are. What are you waiting for dull one? |
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"...the number of dead bodies that could be buried in those mass graves before the body disposal method at Sobibor was changed to open-air cremation." You mean the open-air "cremations" as described by the "eyewitnesses" in post ##1064? Thank you Roberta. Have I ever told you that you're priceless? |
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"Always glad to help, Mr. Gerdes" Please notice that the lying jewbitch did not get the photo from me. How long have you been sitting on it dull one? For as long as you've been sitting on the alleged map that you have? Thanks for proving yet again what a fraud you are Retardo. Priceless. Retardo: "Now, what do we see on this air photo?" Well, it's easier to tell you what we don't see: No mass graves. No human remains. NO proof of mass murder. Nothing. Any other questions? Retardo: "The grass is greener over the graves, a phenomenon that is easily explained by the fertilizing effects of the Scotts turf builder applied to the greener areas." Yes dull one, that can be easily seen. Retardo: "Now, how do we know that the greener areas are mass graves? We also know it because the greener places happen to coincide with the places where Prof. Kola identified the mass graves in 2001. Care to know why I've been such a fraud and not shared this information, Mr. Gerdes?" You said it yourself dull one - because you're a liar and a coward and a fraud. |
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Please notice that the dull one has also yet to show the locations of the 7 alleged "huge mass graves" allegedly "excavated" by Kola.
Where are they dull one? |
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"Certainly, especially his [Kola's] report about Belzec, which you seem to be so scared of that you chose to remove Belzec from the NAFCASH challenge." Really? Perhaps you can tell us all then, when exactly are you going to accept my new challenge to you - coward? My latest CODOH post (Gerdes pledges to pay Kola's Sobibor bill): Well, RM has been caught in yet another lie. But don't worry, he's just told another lie to cover up his old lie: Quote: Quote:
So what should I do with this thread? I have an idea. If any one of the holocaust controversies freaks can prove that Belzecs grave #10, the largest of all the alleged "huge mass graves" allegedly found at Belzec by Kola himself, contains the remains - of just 600 jews - (Yes, that hundred, not thousand), I will pledge $5,000.00 myself to The Sobibor Archaeology Project in said freaks name. They have till the end of this month and the "proof" has to be posted here or on VNN. * For this site, that should read: and the "proof" has to be posted here or on CODOH Now how hard should that be? Remember, grave #10 contains 10% of all the volume of the alleged "huge mass graves" allegedly found at Belzec, so according to Kola's "findings," it should contain the remains of at least 60,000 jews. Isn't it funny how Kolas own alleged "evidence" for the alleged "huge mass graves" of Belzec is so fraudulent, that it can't even be used to help raise $5,000.00 for The Sobibor Archaeology Project?" OH THE IRONY! Ha ha ha!!! 26 days left boys - get crackin faggots! * Edit addition: Since RM is such a big fan of the "eyewitnesses," I thought I would help him out a bit with the following from Mattogno's Belzec book: 2.1. Testimonies As we have explained above, Kurt Gerstein and Rudolf Reder are the two principal witnesses regarding the camp at Belzec. Both of them give a detailed description of the mass graves. In a declaration made before the Jewish historical commission in 1945, Reder stated: “A grave was 100 m long and 25 m wide. A single grave contained about 100,000 persons. In November 1942 there were 30 graves, i.e. 3 million corpses.” During the interrogation, which was conducted by the investigative judge Jan Sehn on December 29, 1945, the witness strengthened his declaration further: “The graves were all dug to the same dimensions and measured 100 m in length, 25 m in width and 15 m in depth.” In his famous report of April 26, 1945, Gerstein wrote: “Then the naked bodies were thrown into large trenches about 100 by 20 by 12 m, situated near the death chambers.” And in the report he wrote on May 6, 1945, he affirmed: “The naked corpses were thrown onto wooden carts [and then] into pits only a short distance away and measuring 100 by 12 by 20 meters.” 2.2. First Judicial Findings ...the Zamosc prosecutor, who, in his report of April 11, 1946, wrote: “All mass graves had the same dimensions: 100 m in length, 25 m in width, and 15 m in depth... There may well have been thirty, forty, and even more graves of this kind in the camp.” And let's not forget that Shermer himself used Readers "eyewitness testimony" in "proving" the Belzec holocaust story. |
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Slamin - see post # 393
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Your neighbor called, she did not get her paper. Get that bike out and finish the job. Must suck to be 49 and not even own a home.
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Sam / Slamin / coward - see post # 393
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Greg, you did not answer the question.
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Historiography as seen by an ignorant charlatan … http://holocaustcontroversies.blogsp...norant_03.html (the "self-burning" crap and other trash is addressed there) Incinerating corpses on a grid is a rather inefficient method … http://holocaustcontroversies.blogsp...norant_03.html (demonstration that, contrary to what "Revisionist" retards claim, the cremation on grids as practiced at the AR camps (and later at Dresden after the Allied bombing) was quite and efficient method of body disposal (though of course it left plenty of physical evidence behind, contrary to "Revisionist" straw-man claims that it is supposed to have left behind none). If they did it the simple way, they didn’t do it! http://holocaustcontroversies.blogsp...-didnt_19.html «B» as in «Bullshit» http://holocaustcontroversies.blogsp...llshit_20.html It’s raining empty claims … http://holocaustcontroversies.blogsp...claims_24.html Gerdes is also invited to read section 4.2 of my article Carlo Mattogno on Belzec Archaeological Research, which he may find under http://holocaustcontroversies.blogsp...belzec_28.html . I explain there, among other things, why decomposed and dehydrated bodies (as opposed to freshly killed bodies, which had to be doused in gasoline on top being exposed to fire from below the grid – much like the bodies burned at the Dresden Altmarkt except that the grid there was lower and thus allowed for fewer flammables to be placed beneath it) burned well with relatively little additional fuel. Read my articles, Gerdes. You learn something from them, whereas blindly swallowing your scripture only makes you dumber than you are already. Quote:
As concerns the "physically impossible" - crap, read my above-mentioned articles. There was nothing physically impossible about body disposal by cremation at the AR camps, however often you repeat your prayers and spam-quote your scripture. As to the wooden dowels, here’s what they must have looked like: I’m looking forward to your trying to demonstrate a physical impossibility in the procedure (what I’ll probably get is the usual hysterical laughter). As one of the mass graves having contained nothing but refuse, it is quite possible that the mass grave of the Treblinka "Lazarett" was cleaned out and then turned into a deeper refuse pit during the camp’s dismantlement, or then judge Lukaszkiewicz dug at the wrong place. Big deal. As to crushed bone at Treblinka, I’d say it is mentioned in Lukaszkiewicz’ report of 29 December 1945, quoted in my article under http://holocaustcontroversies.blogsp...treblinka.html (emphases added): Quote:
Of course we don’t even need the above site investigation report to consider it proven, beyond a reasonable doubt, that hundreds of thousands of people were murdered at Treblinka, that their bodies were burned and that the bones left over from the burning were ground. All it takes to prove that is the documentary evidence showing the minimum number of people who disappeared from the face of the earth at Treblinka and the many eyewitnesses testimonies, including such from participants in the killing, that describe the killing and body disposal procedure. The same applies to Sobibor. There we have information, from Prof. Kola’s archaeological investigation in 2001, that gives an idea of the amount of human remains, be it crushed bones, ashes of human tissue or human remains only partially burned or not burned at all. This statement by Prof. Kola, quoted in my article under http://holocaustcontroversies.blogsp...-trash_18.html , contains data that allow for establishing the size of the graves: Quote:
So your claim that I can’t prove "one single pound" of any type of human remains is utter bullshit. I can prove any amount of any type of human remains that can be reasonably inferred from the known evidence of all categories, on hand of that very evidence. Proof of mass murder logically entails proof of any amount of human remains that the murderers left behind, even if you’re too dumb to understand this simple reasoning. What you may claim is that I cannot visually, photographically show you a given amount of a given type of human remains from a given camp. And my answer to that irrelevant claim is a simple question: So what? Answer the question, Mr. Gerdes. Show us that your claims have any relevance. |
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See if I can make this so simple that even Gerdes understands it: 1. All known eyewitness, documentary and physical evidence (including but not limited to the evidence listed in my post # 777 under http://206.41.117.128/showpost.php?p...&postcount=777 ) shows that at least about 150,000 Jews were murdered at Sobibor, and that their bodies were cremated resulting in ashes, bone fragments and also bones and other remains that were left over by the cremation procedure. 2. There is a photo of a glass display at Sobibor stated to contain human ashes and bones, and the aspect of this glass display's contents on the photo suggests that they are actually human ashes and bones. 3. Therefore, it is reasonable to assume that what you see on the photo of the glass display are the ashes and bones of some of the people murdered at Sobibor. This is a logical conclusion derived from the aspect of the glass display’s contents on the photo and all known evidence to what happened at Sobibor. It is valid until you provide evidence that what you see on the glass display photo are not actually human ashes and bones, or at least evidence that points to this possibility. Bar such evidence (which is for you to provide), the conclusion stands. |
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As to Sobibor, the contents of the glass display visible on the photo alone (ashes that can be assumed to have resulted either directly from cremation or from bone-crushing following cremation) mean you’re full of shit. Unless, of course, you can provide evidence proving that what you see on the glass display photo are not human remains or at least pointing to this possibility. More important than what you see on the glass display photo, there are the remains mentioned in Prof. Kola’s 2001 press statement, which may or not (depending on whether "charred human remains" is a mistranslation from Polish or really means what the English term suggests) include crushed human bones. An archaeologist’s statement that he found a given type of remains is proof that this type of remains was found, bar evidence that the archaeologist lied (of which there is none, on the contrary – all known evidence to what happened at Sobibor corroborates Prof. Kola’s description). The archaeologist didn’t mention quantities, but it stands to reason that mass graves of the dimensions he described must have contained a lot more than just a few pounds of the remains he mentioned, otherwise finding remains would have been like finding a needle in a haystack. Now, assuming that Prof. Kola really meant "charred human remains", you could claim that we don’t know if crushed human bones in a given amount were located on site. But as documentary and eyewitness evidence point to the existence of crushed human remains in the amounts corresponding to the scale of the killing and the body disposal procedure, it would only be reasonable to assume that Prof. Kola also found crushed human bones and simply failed to mention them in his press interview. So apart from being irrelevant (irrelevant means: if there had never been any archaeological research or robbery digging and therefore no crushed bones had ever been found by anyone, so what?), your claim is bereft of logic in light of what evidence we have. Quote:
1. Can you show us one single bone, tooth or other body part from a victim of the Soviet GuLag or of mass shootings during Stalin’s purges in 1937/38? 2. If not, does this mean there’s a reason to doubt that – as becomes apparent from documentary evidence – about 700,000 people were bumped off by the NKVD in 1937/38 and about 1.6 million or so perished in the GuLag camps during Stalin’s rule? 3. Are you beginning to understand the utter imbecility of your "just one" yelling, yes or no? |
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Yelling for "one" or "one pound" is stupid, because "one" wouldn’t prove much and because proof of any quantity corresponding to what is known about the scale of the killing and the body disposal procedure logically follows from proof of that killing and body disposal procedure, which in turn is contained in the documentary, eyewitness and physical evidence to the killing an body disposal. Whether I am able to visually show you a given amount of physical exhibits is perfectly irrelevant. If you still don’t understand this, answer these questions: 1. Can you show us one single bone, tooth or other body part from a victim of the Soviet GuLag or of mass shootings during Stalin’s purges in 1937/38? 2. If not, does this mean there’s a reason to doubt that – as becomes apparent from documentary evidence – about 700,000 people were bumped off by the NKVD in 1937/38 and about 1.6 million or so perished in the GuLag camps during Stalin’s rule? 3. Are you beginning to understand the utter imbecility of your "just one" yelling, yes or no? |
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Can you prove that a detailed and thorough investigation of the physical evidence on site failed to find any bones or mass graves? No, you can’t, for all investigations conducted at all four killing sites (Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka), independently of whether they were more or less thorough and of whether they are more or less well documented, and regardless of how many photographs of physical remains were taken and what part of the physical remains found can be seen on photographs, found mass graves and considerable amounts of human remains at each of these sites. In order to prove that a detailed and thorough investigation of the physical evidence on site failed to find any bones or mass graves you’ll have to do a lot more than yell for "just one" sample of this-and-that, which your opponent may or not have at his disposal without either meaning a fucking thing. So yes, your "let’s see" and "Can you show" and "just one" – yelling is irrelevant. It is silly, infantile rhetoric for a cowardly chimp to hide behind and avoid facing his opponent’s evidence, addressing his opponent’s arguments and addressing his opponent’s questions. Got that, Mr. Gerdes? Or is it again too much for your depleted neurons to grasp? |
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And then he will give us a list of exhibits that he, according to his own unreasonable and conveniently over-demanding standards, would accept as proof. Isn’t that so, Mr. Gerdes? Let’s hear! |
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Roberto: just tell him there are no teeth because the nazi's used them to make mattresses for German women.
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