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Old October 25th, 2017 #41
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Old October 26th, 2017 #42
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Default I don't know about Catalonia but California should be FORCED to secede

I have mixed feelings on this. If this secession were a White Nationalist one, I would by all means support it. However, it appears there are several factions that may jockey for power if and when Catalonia successfully secedes. I am still watching this closely.

Catalonia is 20% of Spain's economy, no small matter for a nation of almost 47 million. OTOH, California, a state with just over 12% of the population and 14% of the GDP of the kwa, would not be missed nearly as much in this nation of 325 million. 'Would not be missed' IMO is the understatement of the year. I would love to help them secede.
 
Old October 27th, 2017 #43
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I have mixed feelings on this. If this secession were a White Nationalist one, I would by all means support it. However, it appears there are several factions that may jockey for power if and when Catalonia successfully secedes. I am still watching this closely.

Catalonia is 20% of Spain's economy, no small matter for a nation of almost 47 million. OTOH, California, a state with just over 12% of the population and 14% of the GDP of the kwa, would not be missed nearly as much in this nation of 325 million. 'Would not be missed' IMO is the understatement of the year. I would love to help them secede.
That's an interesting observation, and it is definitely kind of a similar situation. In Cali, you have rich Whites who are the innovators and contributors to society, and you have mud scum sucking up the freebies.

From what I understand, Catalonia is kind of like that, you have wealthy Whites, and then all these 'secessionists' are basically Marxists for the most part, they also have a 'cuckservative' type of group who support it.

So, hurt the EU, awesome, but hurt Spaniards to grow a Marxist movement, that sucks. Would be nice to see a movement based on race that is anti-EU. Spain for Spaniards.
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Old October 27th, 2017 #44
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"..What will happen in the Spanish Senate on Friday?

The Senate is due to hold a vote on the government's plan to trigger Article 155
of the Spanish constitution, which empowers the government to take "all measures necessary to compel" a region in case of a crisis.

The article has never been used before.

Under the proposals announced by Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy this week, Mr Puigdemont would be removed and new regional elections held. Madrid would take control of Catalonia's finances, police and public media.

Mr Rajoy's centre-right government has a majority in the Senate. The plan has also been approved by opposition parties.."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41771294
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Old October 27th, 2017 #45
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Default Today motion for Independence aproved, but Spanish Court will declare illegal

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41780116

"..What happened in the Catalan parliament?
A motion declaring independence was approved on Friday with 70 in favour, 10 against, and two abstentions in the 135-seat chamber.

The measure calls for the transfer of legal powers from Spain to an independent Catalonia.
But the Spanish Constitutional Court is likely to declare it illegal, while the US, UK, Germany and France all expressed support for Spanish unity.
European Commission chief Jean-Claude Juncker said the EU "doesn't need any more cracks, more splits".

Catalan President Carles Puigdemont has called for supporters to "maintain the momentum" in a peaceful manner.
Crowds have been celebrating the declaration of independence and Spanish flags have been removed from some regional government buildings in Catalonia..."
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But the Spanish Constitutional Court is likely to declare it illegal, while the US, UK, Germany and France all expressed support for Spanish unity.
European Commission chief Jean-Claude Juncker said the EU "doesn't need any more cracks, more splits".
This is why I now support the secessionists.

Why are Catalans, Bosnian Serbs, Donbass people and Crimeans not allowed to split, but shiptar muslims and Bosnian muslims are?

Hope the EU keeps cracking.
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Naturally if the EU and US were supporting secession I'd be against it.
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Old October 27th, 2017 #48
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Hope the EU keeps cracking.

A few Stormfront refugees posting on here don't want the Catalans to declare independence from Spain. Apparently the Catalans are not nationalists but far-left socialists.

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Old October 28th, 2017 #49
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Spain is like a mini EU with many autonomous regions/nations inside it and it doesn't exist anymore as an independent country despite Catalonia wanting to belong to the EU they aren't really splitting from Spain they are splitting from the EU without knowing it.
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Old November 3rd, 2017 #50
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Spain is like a mini EU with many autonomous regions/nations inside it and it doesn't exist anymore as an independent country despite Catalonia wanting to belong to the EU they aren't really splitting from Spain they are splitting from the EU without knowing it.
Yes. Spain issued a warrant for Puigdemont:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41865121

"..A Spanish judge has issued European Arrest Warrants (EAW) for sacked Catalan leader Carles Puigdemont and four of his allies who went to Belgium.

The five failed to attend a high court hearing in Madrid on Thursday when nine other ex-members of the regional government were taken into custody.

One of those detained has been freed on bail of €50,000 (Ł44,000; $58,000).

They all face charges of rebellion, sedition and misuse of public funds for pursuing Catalan independence.
Mr Puigdemont has said he will not return to Spain unless he receives guarantees of a fair trial.
Belgium will "study" the warrant, a spokesman for the state prosecutor told AFP news agency..."

Interesting the phrase 'European arrest warrant'...so that is another aspect of law that you don't think about every day, how the EU creates the ability to streamline control over the "justice" system from one country to another.
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Default More on the eight members of Catalonian government arrested

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ept-puigdemont

"..Pablo Iglesias, the leader of the anti-austerity Podemos party, said: “I’m ashamed that they lock up opponents in my country. We don’t want Catalan independence, but today we say ‘free the political prisoners’.”

A parallel supreme court session for six Catalan MPs, including Carme Forcadell, the speaker of the regional parliament, was postponed for a week following a request from their lawyers.."
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Old November 4th, 2017 #52
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Spain is like a mini EU with many autonomous regions/nations inside it and it doesn't exist anymore as an independent country despite Catalonia wanting to belong to the EU they aren't really splitting from Spain they are splitting from the EU without knowing it.
Is Catalonia demanding to exit the EU as well as secede from Spain?
 
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Is Catalonia demanding to exit the EU as well as secede from Spain?
They would not be in the EU at the beginning, and to enter it have to meet what's called the 'Copenhagen Criteria'. It takes several years.

And then the EU would be seen as antagonistic toward Spain if they brought Catalonia in.

The EU does not want European Nations leaving the 'union', so they are unlikely to have a real supportive attitude toward any Nation who split up a previous 'member of EU' Nation. Severely weakens their control over Europe should it start to spread.

This is why the arrests and heavy handed treatment of those who organized the split. Making an example of people to create an atmosphere of fear.
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Old November 6th, 2017 #55
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Default "Carles Puigdemont: This is not just about Catalonia. This is about democracy itself"

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...spain-catalans

"..Today, the leaders of this democratic project stand accused of rebellion and face the severest punishment possible under the Spanish penal code – the same as for cases of terrorism or murder: 30 years in prison. The vice-president and seven Catalan government ministers have been in prison since last Thursday, as well as two Catalan civic leaders, while orders for the rest of the Catalan government to be detained have been issued. This is a colossal outrage that will have serious consequences.

Let us remember one key fact: in the elections of 27 September 2015, Junts pel Sí (Together for Yes), the undisputed winner, stood on a manifesto where it explicitly pledged to declare independence and to convene constituent elections. The voters who supported us knew at all times what our purpose was. Yet two years after those elections we are accused of sedition, conspiracy and rebellion for delivering on an electoral programme that we never concealed.."
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Default Puigdemont Slams EU for Helping with the 'Coup'

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/1...075719895.html

"..Puigdemont has said he is prepared to run as a candidate on December 21, but it is far from clear whether or not he will even be in the country by then.."

"..Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy and his Belgian counterpart Charles Michel are due to address legislators over the Catalan crisis after the deposed separatist leader, Carles Puigdemont, urged the European Union to stop supporting a "coup" against his region.

Earlier Puigdemont slammed the European Union for backing Rajoy's bid to quash Catalan secession, after calling on pro-independence parties to unite for next month's regional election.

"Will you accept the result of the Catalan referendum or will you continue to help Mr Rajoy in his coup d'etat?" Carles Puigdemont, who was dismissed by Madrid last month after the Catalan parliament declared unilateral independence, said in Brussels.

Puigdemont, who faces extradition on charges of rebellion and sedition, was speaking at an event attended by some 200 pro-independence Catalan mayors who had flown there for support.
Rajoy and Michel are both due to speak to their respective parliaments Wednesday on the worst crisis that Spain has known in 40 years of democracy.
Catalan separatist associations and a trade union have called for a general strike in Catalonia, before a major demonstration on Saturday.."
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/puigdem...sels-1.4391155

"..We are the legitimate government of Catalonia and we are going to carry on," former regional government member Meritxell Serret told the audience, her voice breaking with emotion.

Puigdemont also challenged the European Union to finally make its voice heard. Catalan officials at the Brussels event Tuesday urged European Union leaders to take up the Catalan cause.

"Is this the Europe you want, is this the Europe you want to build, with a democratically elected government in jail?" he said before a group of mayors held up big letters spelling "Help Catalonia."

The leaders of all the EU's main institutions are party allies of Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy. They have refused to criticize his government, and only reacted very cautiously to police violence during the Oct. 1 independence referendum in Catalonia.."

This split from Spain really is a blow to the EU, and they are trying to give these people 30 year prison sentences.

Since the real value of this split will be to stop the EU from interfering with Europe by controlling literally all of it, and this could begin a wave of people feeling as though they could do same, I totally support Puigdemont.

If this 'caught on' it could save Europe demographically. It would at least weaken the EU who want to deliberately remove the White race from the planet by introducing foreign subspecies en masse to overwhelm and outbreed the host organism, whom they are living off of.

Europe for Europeans, autonomy for the various WHITE ethnic groups in their own nations.

EU are thugs who do their thugging for 'diversity', as they did on Oct. 1 when they had nothing to say about the beat down of voters. These long prison sentences being proposed are a method of fear mongering so Whites won't feel they can vote their way out of the EU without it destroying their lives.

It always comes down to this kind of situation, because (((they))) will not return power to Whites once they take it. Not willingly.
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If a domino effect takes place-if enough regions of European nations decide they want independence, not just varying levels of autonomy, it could have unintended benefits for White people. The EU would have great difficulty trying to administer so many nations effectively, many of whom may not want to be in the EU anyway. This could be called a return to tribalism. So many White tribes sticking together, but supporting other White tribes. It has possibilities.
 
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If a domino effect takes place-if enough regions of European nations decide they want independence, not just varying levels of autonomy, it could have unintended benefits for White people. The EU would have great difficulty trying to administer so many nations effectively, many of whom may not want to be in the EU anyway. This could be called a return to tribalism. So many White tribes sticking together, but supporting other White tribes. It has possibilities.
It's why they are going after them with a vengeance, and they'd do it to Texans/Americans who try to split as well, there will never be a peaceful split most likely anywhere on earth (negative as that is). They will make people go all out to war before giving them even a tiny chunk of 'personal space' that's not globally owned/owned by some umbrella/entity serving (((their))) purposes.
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"..Speaking from Brussels, he told Sky News: “To be treated like a criminal, like a drug trafficker, a paedophile, like a serial killer, I think this is abuse … this isn’t politics, this is using the courts to do politics.”

He added: “It’s a threat because the crime I am accused of could result in 30 years in prison. It’s madness. It’s not justice, it’s vengeance.

“I am not a rebel. I don’t have the spirit of a rebel nor the wish to be one. I consider myself to be very disciplined. I just want to carry out what my parliament has approved.

“This is very normal, there is nothing rebellious about that. It’s very uncomfortable for me to have this role of a ‘rebel’ and I don’t want to play it.”


Mr Puigdemont handed himself in to Belgian authorities shortly after arriving in Brussels late last month. He said he is not running away from justice but instead seeking a fair trial – something he does not believe he will be given in Madrid.."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a8049411.html

Really disturbing, idea of 30 year sentences being imposed on these people. Puigdemont is not a Marxist, either, he is center right.

It is vengeance and it is fear-mongering/making an example of him, that if it can happen to him it could be anyone next who tries to very legally act in the interest of independence from the EU.

I think this is more about the EU than Spain, frankly, because there is more at stake, the Globalists are behind stopping people from having any sort of autonomy anywhere on earth.
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