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Old October 26th, 2013 #1
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This is the new generation of social-nationalists, these are some very dedicated and ballsy activists who openly name the Jew without theatrics and idiocy. This is the Golden Dawn of the United States if they continue forward. I highly recommend everyone here donate, attend their protests, and support their efforts every way possible.


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Traditional Youth Network take on Jewish hate-mongerer Tim Wise


In the thick of it against the Judeo-Left in Pennsylvania


Against Jew Tim Wise at the University Of Cincinnati

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Old October 31st, 2013 #2
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Trad Youth Activists take on Tim Wise in conference: "You're not white, you're a jew!"

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Old October 31st, 2013 #3
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Trad Youth Activists take on Tim Wise in conference: "You're not white, you're a jew!"
That's our own Robert Ransdell. Kudos to him for all his hard work and having the balls to do it.
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Old October 31st, 2013 #4
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[Heimbach's own words]

Traditionalist Catholics, Christ’s Radicals Under Siege

October 22, 2013 in Commentary

Traditionalist Catholicism is the largest organized force in the United States against organized Jewry, and most folks in the White Right do not even realize it. Estimates put the number of radical Traditionalist Catholics in the United States alone at between 100,000 and 150,000 members, a truly staggering number when one compares it to membership rolls in both Left and Right wing organizations. Traditionalist Catholics refuse to accept the Jewish perversion of Christendom and stand against the combined forces of modernity. “Trad Cats” are a force to be reckoned with and could become reliable allies of White advocates.

The Catholic Church prior to the corruption of Vatican II was a powerful force for Christendom and European civilization. While my soul belongs to the Orthodox Church, my Catholic upbringing will always ensure my personal love of true Catholicism. The Church helped organize and fund Franco and the nationalists in the fight against the communists in Spain, led the voice of nationalism in America with Father Charles Coughlin, and lent the largest amount of support to the National Socialists as the Party was being elected to office. Even after World War II the Church under the leadership of bishops and cardinals helped evacuate fascists and National Socialists out of the Allied controlled zones to freedom. Catholicism showed the world that it was a power for nationalism and was the beating heart of much of Western Europe’s spirituality, and that is why the modernists had to destroy it.

Catholicism prior to the infiltration by Jews, Soviet Union undercover agents, and the push of modernity in the post-WWII period was a powerful force for Tradition. Anything that was nationalist, interested in racial preservation, or grounded in Tradition was in the cross hairs. A concentrated effort to dismantle Traditionalist priests was undertaken from the Jewish controlled orders such as the Jesuits and the growing power of communist subversion.

The Second Vatican Council was the Church’s attempt to “modernize” the liturgy and the Church as a whole. Through destroying Tradition and abandoning almost two thousand years of experience, the Church attempted to meet the world half way, and that was the biggest mistake of the Church since the schism of 1054. Priests by the hundreds took off their collars and retired as parishes and congregations fled the Church that was radically different from the spiritual home of their upbringing. Overnight the Establishment Catholic Church transformed itself into another sick reflection of the modern world, a carnival mirror look at what Christendom used to represent.

All was not lost however for Tradition in the halls of the Catholic Church, a large number of priests and laity refused to bow to the orders from the compromised bishop of Rome. The writings of Father Denis Fahey and Father Leonard Feeney alongside the centuries of Church Tradition built the framework for Traditionalists to arise and resist the decrees of the Establishment Church.

It should not surprise anyone who understands the role of organized Jewry in their two millennia struggle to destroy the Church that the ultimate prize of the Jews is to dismantle Christendom. Secular White nationalists can recognize that the only group that organized Jewry wants to destroy more than the White race is the most Holy and blessed Church, in all of its forms. From tearing down the ten commandments from the public sphere when a Baptist puts them up, to subverting and corrupting the Catholic Church, and attempting to attack and mislead the Orthodox Church, all of Christendom is under attack from the Devil and his puppets.

Both Catholic and Orthodox prophecy declares that as we near the End Times, corruption will take root as the spirits of men become more easily corrupted. The Devil and his legions of minions, both willing and the deceived, will work to dismantle the Church to advance his agenda. While the Permanent Instruction of the Alta Vendita and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion may not be exact transcriptions of the enemy, they clearly outline exactly how the Judeo-Masonic forces will work to steer global politics, finance, culture, and the Church towards the agenda of Satan and his war against all that is Holy. I recommend to all Traditionalists the book The Plot Against The Church to help explain this situation further.

The Devil is attacking the Church for the same reason he is attacking the White race, both have been standard bearers for the Holy Gospel and defenders of Truth for nearly 2,000 years, and that is opposition that the Devil and all of his forces cannot let stand.

The changes pushed by the liberal Catholic Establishment that included the removal of the prayer to Saint Michael the Archangel, the banning of using nearly 2,000 years of Tradition in regards to the Jews, and changing the liturgy away from Latin and dozens of other serious scramblings of doctrine left many Traditionalists with only two choices: bunker down in a parish with a Traditionalist priest and ignore the transformation of the Church or to join together and keep the flame of Tradition burning.

The Society of Saint Pius X is perhaps the most well known, and one of my favorite, Traditionalist Catholic groups. SSPX was for me personally the biggest way I began to open my eyes to the Jewish Question and the advance of the enemies agenda. The homosexual movement, abortion, liberalism, and all of the other points of the enemy are built to spit upon God and his standards, and through the reading of SSPX priests and other Traditionalist Catholics my understanding of this battle for the survival of our civilization as being a Holy Crusade was ignited. SSPX helps lead the way forward for Traditionalists who wish to remain loyal to the Catholic Church of their ancestors, and with that I see a great potential for Traditionalist Catholics to come to Orthodoxy as allies against a common foe.

The Society of Saint Pius X has refused to compromise with modernity, even when it seemed like the easiest path. Many of the priests have stood strong on supporting Francisco Franco and the fascist movements of the 20th century. Father Tam is just one of these such priests who stated that fascist values are “the real values” of the Church. Refusing to speak to Satanic “faiths” such as Islam would be common sense in mainstream Christianity a century ago, but now only a select few stand against the lies of the modernists.

Due to the recent push by Pope Francis to liberalize the Church even further, hardline Traditionalist Catholics are taking a stand now more than ever to rise up and resist the influences of modernity. The Vatican recently announced that SS Veteran Erich Priebke was not to be given a Catholic funeral due to his sins in life. As a Christian I find the idea that the Church would bow to political correctness when we are all sinners and “filthy rags” in comparison to the glory of Christ and his sinless life. SSPX came and asserted itself as being true heirs to the spirit of Christ by offering to hold his funeral and brave the international condemnation of the Jews and political correctness. A SSPX church held a commemorative mass for Mr. Priebke last Saturday in Treviso, northern Italy and is deeply involved in giving Mr. Priebke the Christian burial that he deserves.

The leadership of SSPX has declared that they are “glad” that they did not rejoin Rome because that would mean they would have to answer to Pope Francis, a man seemingly dedicated to uprooting Tradition. The purpose of the Church is to save souls, to fight the Devil, and to advance the Kingdom of God, not do outreach to the forces of Satan and pander to secularists. As mega churches and priests and preachers who try to pander to greed, lust, and shallowness drive away the faithful, more and more Catholics are flooding the pews of Traditionalist Churches, both Catholic and Orthodox in the seeking for Tradition and a stalwart defense of true Christian beliefs.

All of us in our lives must remember the calling of Christians, Tribe, Tradition, and Trinity. Groups like SSPX and the Orthodox Church will continue to stick to their guns and stand against modernity, as we all should. We must serve the honorable memories of our ancestors, the blood that runs in our veins, and the Almighty and ever loving God who created us and leads us in this time of darkness. While Satan may appear to be winning, just like the communists who take to the streets, their victory of short lived. The forces of Truth are rallying, our Cause is just, and Our Day Will Come.

http://www.tradyouth.org/2013/10/tra...s-under-siege/
 
Old October 31st, 2013 #5
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Secular White nationalists can recognize that the only group that organized Jewry wants to destroy more than the White race is the most Holy and blessed Church, in all of its forms.

This guy is not who I thought he was at all.

I didn't realize Golden Dawn was primarily a religious organization, Joe. Are you sure about that?

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Old October 31st, 2013 #6
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Secular White nationalists can recognize that the only group that organized Jewry wants to destroy more than the White race is the most Holy and blessed Church, in all of its forms.

This guy is not who I thought he was at all.

I didn't realize Golden Dawn was primarily a religious organization, Joe. Are you sure about that?
Regardless of Matt Heimbach's personal religious convictions, he does not exclude anyone over religion and has made it clear that we have to work together as a race regardless of faith. He makes that very clear in his KSS speech, I've spoken to him personally on many occasions where he has said the same to me. Matt Heimbach and his group come from an Evolian background, which arguably is pan-theist, even Agnostic (but this is up for debate) .

Another thing to note is that while Orthodox Christianity is not ideal, it ain't Francis' Vatican or one of the Protestant churches. Orthodox Christianity still has good positions on fags, Jews, and many clergy people are nationalists (you see a lot of them coming out to support Golden Dawn in Greece and nationalists in other Eastern European countries). Historically Orthodox churches have been safe-guarders of ethnic culture in times of occupation such as under the Ottoman Turks.


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Heimbach makes it clear religion is above race for him. That's his decision. But claiming that the church is somehow pro-white or its prospects are tied up with white success, which he's implicitly claiming, is factually wrong. The church is institutionally and dogmatically universalist. That right there is enough to prove that it's anti-white. The background for his views is the traditional hatred Catholics have for the US due to its being founded by non-Catholics and becoming a great success. Get the people back under the peodophiles, and outlaw free markets. That's what they want. It doesn't work anywhere, but least of all does it work in America. Joe likes it because as a communist he's appreciates the idea of people being bossed around, whether by commissars or priests.
Personally I am an agnostic. I can say without a doubt that the Libertarian streak in American white nationalism is its biggest flaw, thanks to the strong Conservative roots of many English-speaking WN's. It's true that Christianity is Universalist, but not in the same way Judaic and materialistic way 18th-19th century economic theories like free markets are. Christianity does not satisfy anything in my soul, it's an incomplete religion that childishly writes off gaping logical inconsistencies by saying they're mysteries of Christ, but if it works for someone else then that is their business.

You can call me a Communist if you'd like, but your wild blanket accusations against Christians are something that happens more often in Trotskyite circles rather than racialist ones. Your spot on in analysis on a variety of issues, but incredibly flawed with your Randian economic theories and in-your-face Atheism.

There are way more problems with the fact that the formulators of your economic worldview are a bunch of humanistic Jews trying (and succeeding) to overthrow the Aryan warrior class and replace them with Jewish junk peddlers, than there is with Heimbach's faith.
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Consider the fact that Griffin was, until pretty recently, using his association with Heimbach (who for the god-bothering tone, which is undesirable, seems to be doing some good activism, and who is attacking the right targets) to build himself up as a serious activist for the first time in his life.

That is, until Heimbach was thrown under the bus for 'associating with the NSM'. At that point, Griffin's association and activism with Heimbach became a thing of the past pretty rapidly, didn't it?

From a pariah associate of anti jews, to a 'serious activist' - in a year or less. Bill White all over again.
 
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Consider the fact that Griffin was, until pretty recently, using his association with Heimbach (who for the god-bothering tone, which is undesirable, seems to be doing some good activism, and who is attacking the right targets) to build himself up as a serious activist for the first time in his life.

That is, until Heimbach was thrown under the bus for 'associating with the NSM'. At that point, Griffin's association and activism with Heimbach became a thing of the past pretty rapidly, didn't it?

From a pariah associate of anti jews, to a 'serious activist' - in a year or less. Bill White all over again.
No, he's not anything like Bill White. Believe me. Two different men with very different strengths and weaknesses.

Griffin is going with Hill and LOS. The problem here is that LOS is founded on the wrong principles. Hill is basically running a DAR for Southerners. Griffin is trying to shift that some, make LOS more ideological and activist, which is good. The problem is that the LOS is set wrong. There's nothing you can do but reset it on the right principles, and, given it's been around a long time, that's probably not possible. Also, given Griffin's intellectual shape-shifting in the past, it is doubtful he places the premium on ideas and consistency that I do, so that he will not think that consistency really matters. People who sort of think the same way, who get to know one another, will somehow stumble through to success.

Heimbach makes it clear religion is above race for him. That's his decision. But claiming that the church is somehow pro-white or its prospects are tied up with white success, which he's implicitly claiming, is factually wrong. The church is institutionally and dogmatically universalist. Heimbach may make a distinction between a white man and a colored, but his church does not. He doesn't see any problem there. But there is a problem there! What isn't overtly pro-white is anti-white, and the church's entire history demonstrates that. All the church ever cares about is converting non-whites - since all men are spiritually equal and equally in need of Our Lord Jebus and His One True Path to Salvation. Clearly, Heimbach believes this himself.

The background for his views is the traditional hatred Catholics have for the US due to its being founded by non-Catholics and becoming a great success. Get the people back under the peodophiles, and outlaw free markets. That's what they want. Their way doesn't work anywhere except maybe jerkwater Italy, but least of all is it fitting for Whites in the US. Joe likes it because as a communist he's appreciates the idea of people being bossed around, whether by commissars or priests. He simply can't stomach the idea of white men not being micromanaged by some command center.

Both Griffin and Heimbach are doing good when they confront jew Wise and his ilk and hold rallies, there's no doubt about that. What I'm arguing is that basis from which they proceed is untenable, if your mission is to regain white independence. One puts region over race, the other puts religion over race. It should be the reverse. Race trumps everything else.

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fucking speechless

You just might be so speechless, after a fair trial of course.

ALL CHRISTIANITY is both just SPIRITUAL and MENTAL POISON for the Goyim!

John Adams here is only just a typical troll and is a clear example of this fact.

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those are biological and cultural limits not from a "soul"

creativity, emotion, feeling, etc are functions of the brain
 
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Let's say I successfully convince Sam that on the most basic quantum level, "matter" is only hypothetical, all we truly know is math. Would accepting this fundamental immateriality change his life significantly? I don't see how. I don't really see any political implications from it. He would remain a racist and a Darwinist.
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Let's say I successfully convince Sam that on the most basic quantum level, "matter" is only hypothetical, all we truly know is math. Would accepting this fundamental immateriality change his life significantly? I don't see how. I don't really see any political implications from it. He would remain a racist and a Darwinist.
The idealist almost always thinks it makes a difference. That's why they argue for idealism so forcefully. Look at Joe Smith. He hates free enterprise and the modern world. Taken at face value the modern world is, in many respects, a wealthy high tech utopia. That's why every third world mud wants to move in! Without idealist fantasy what arguments could he make against technology and progress?

How many Confederate traditionalists are going to willingly give up air conditioning?

That's how far opposing modernity will get you.
 
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those are biological and cultural limits not from a "soul"

creativity, emotion, feeling, etc are functions of the brain

So why does Chinese Yi sound different than Austrian Brendel playing the same exact notes?



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Because white brains are better at being creative and innovative. Chinks are good at cold memorization and repetition. They're not as good at creating something that evokes emotion. I wouldn't say they're completely incapable of it. Just not on white people's level. Asians are more cold and calculating, and whites are influenced more by emotion... so it shows in what they create. That's a function of their brains/genetics/hormones.

Take Japanese for example. They're more creative than their chinese counterparts in creating videogames (played by millions of white people under 40) and composing often times beautiful soundtracks. Do they have more of a soul than chinese because they're more creative and expressive? Is that all a 'soul' is based on?


composed by a japanese guy. completely soulless, right?

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Because white brains are better at being creative and innovative. Chinks are good at cold memorization and repetition. They're not as good at creating something that evokes emotion. I wouldn't say they're completely incapable of it. Just not on white people's level. Asians are more cold and calculating, and whites are influenced more by emotion... so it shows in what they create. That's a function of their brains/genetics/hormones.

Take Japanese for example. They're more creative than their chinese counterparts in creating videogames (played by millions of white people under 40) and composing often times beautiful soundtracks. Do they have more of a soul than chinese because they're more creative and expressive? Is that all a 'soul' is based on?

Radical Dreamers Quintet Version 转载YOUTUBE

composed by a japanese guy. completely soulless, right?

Gooks are monkey see monkey do, often pretty well.
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Except they dominate in creating videogames and created a lot of the groundwork themselves. Videogames are probably a bigger media source than anything today for young people. They have more of an influence on young whites today than WNs 1000x fold. Most people enjoy classical music composed entirely by japs. If anything they've kept classical music alive while whites are too busy buying rap music, unless they're listening to japs play classical music in their favorite games. They're not always imitating either. You could say the same about most art that uses other things for inspiration, which is pretty much everything. You pretty much always use inspiration until you develop your own 'voice' in most creative arts. But I'm not even denying that asians aren't as creative or expressive as whites. But it's not like they're completely incapable of ever creating anything beautiful or expressive on their own as some WNs like to pretend.

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You seem to be missing that they're both playing the same song , composed by Beethoven (Sonata Opus 111). So why does it sound different, why would emotion or creativity matter if all it is is specifically arranged notes on a piano and nothing more? How do you transmit emotion more than someone else when you're both perfectly executing the same Beethoven piece?
Because there are different ways of playing music. The more expressive way or the more technical way. Why was Slash better than Buckethead in Guns n' Roses? Slash played longer notes with more feeling. Buckethead as a technical player might be a better guitar player in terms of hitting the exact notes and a lot faster, but it sounds like shit to most people. If Buckethead were to play a GNR song note for note, it would still probably sound different.

Asians seem to cut notes short, don't utilize vibrato, and don't let the notes ring, which is a common way of giving a song feeling. It's not some metaphysical 'soul' that is making them do this.

Anyway I don't want to derail the thread.

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Because white brains are better at being creative and innovative. Chinks are good at cold memorization and repetition. They're not as good at creating something that evokes emotion. I wouldn't say they're completely incapable of it. Just not on white people's level. Asians are more cold and calculating, and whites are influenced more by emotion... so it shows in what they create. That's a function of their brains/genetics/hormones.

Take Japanese for example. They're more creative than their chinese counterparts in creating videogames (played by millions of white people under 40) and composing often times beautiful soundtracks. Do they have more of a soul than chinese because they're more creative and expressive? Is that all a 'soul' is based on?

Radical Dreamers Quintet Version 转载YOUTUBE

composed by a japanese guy. completely soulless, right?

You seem to be missing that they're both playing the same song , composed by Beethoven (Sonata Opus 111). So why does it sound different, why would emotion or creativity matter if all it is is specifically arranged notes on a piano and nothing more? How do you transmit emotion more than someone else when you're both perfectly executing the same Beethoven piece?

And for sure the Japanese are more soulful than the Chinese, the Koreans are more soulful than the Chinese and other Asians as well. Asians certainly aren't monolithic.
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