Asians and (lack of)fighting ability

[Antiochus Epiphanes]

there is also the social context of individual fighting. how things develop. this is hugely important as well. as most kids learn in high school, the guy who lands the first punch rarely loses a fight. so the guys that are successful at fighting are usually those inclined to throw the first punch. and that's usually a "sucker punch." One "sucker punch" opportunity is worth about a year in the weight room.

Here is a little sports story that I think also illuminates the use of superior experience and strategy in physical contests.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050901/...su/ten_us_open

Crafty Agassi Overcomes Karlovic at Open By STEVE WILSTEIN, AP National Writer
Thu Sep 1, 7:10 PM ET



Size doesn't matter in tennis. Neither does age. Andre Agassi stood 11 inches shorter than 6-foot-10 Croatian Ivo Karlovic, spun serves about 50 mph slower, and logged far fewer miles on court.

The ace count went to Karlovic, 30-5, as he clocked serves consistently in the 130-142 mph range, but the second-round victory at the U.S. Open on Thursday went to Agassi, 7-6 (4), 7-6 (5), 7-6 (4).

At 35, nine years older than the gangling giant across the net, Agassi came up bigger on the big points to continue his run for one more Grand Slam title in his 20th visit to the Open. His wife, Steffi Graf, and 3-year-old son, Jaden, watched at courtside.

"Listen to that," Agassi said as the standing crowd in Arthur Ashe Stadium cheered his victory. "How does that get old? Thanks guys."

Agassi, seeded No. 7, couldn't equal Karlovic's power and didn't care. Rather, he settled for cleverness and steadiness, taking advantage of the Croatian's weak backhand and awkward lateral movement. No one on the tour likes to play against the No. 56-ranked Karlovic, Agassi had said before playing him for the first time, because his serves come down from an unfamiliar trajectory, as if fired from the roof. Agassi felt the same way after winning.

"It's an incredible serve," Agassi said. "I'm trying to figure out where it is I would need to stand on the court to have the same trajectory. It's not a function of how fast it is because a lot of guys can serve it 135-plus. The trajectory is the main issue because you're lunging, but then it's up. You're sort of diving, but then you can't reach it, even if you dive perfectly and on cue."

Agassi swung and swished at some serves and stared helplessly as many others sped by. Each time he walked calmly to the other side, waiting for the ones he could get a racket on, trying to get Karlovic to play on different terms in rallies. There Agassi had the advantage.

"If I was coaching him, I'd fine him $100 every time he hit a groundstroke," Agassi said. "In his most difficult moments, he was more awkward than I anticipated."

The first-set tiebreak turned in just such a moment, when Agassi drilled a forehand that Karlovic volleyed wide to give Agassi a minibreak at 5-4. Agassi kept taking aim at Karlovic's backhand and watched him hit two straight unforced errors off that side to lose the set.

Agassi had to go to five set-points in the second set before he won it with a deep forehand that Karlovic swatted long. In the third set, serving with a 5-4 lead in the tiebreak, Agassi hit six straight shots at Karlovic's backhand, then ripped a winner to his open forehand side to set up match point. Again, Agassi picked on Karlovic's backhand, hitting three shots to that side and watching Karlovic dump the last one into the net.

Agassi played with extra caution in this match, not going for too much in the wind against Karlovic.

"Today required a lot of concentration because it only took a mental lapse for one or two shots and the set's over with," Agassi said. "On a calm day if I'm taking risks against a guy like that, all he needs is one game and then he's going to win the set. I couldn't afford to get too risky. Points happen too quickly out there."

Agassi's wariness was particularly raised after watching No. 4 Andy Roddick fall in three tiebreakers in the first round against Luxembourg's Gilles Muller. Muller's luck and poise didn't hold in the second round as he was beaten 6-1, 6-1, 6-4 by American doubles partner Robby Ginepri.

"It's good to beat Roddick," Muller said. "But then if you play in the next round ... like I did today, it doesn't change anything."

Sebastien Grosjean beat No. 14 Thomas Johansson 6-3, 6-2, 4-6, 6-2, and No. 19 Tommy Robredo knocked out former French Open champion Gustavo Kuerten 5-7, 7-6 (3), 6-3, 6-2.

In women's matches, No. 2 Lindsay Davenport, No. 6 Elena Dementieva, No. 7 Justine Henin-Hardenne, No. 12 Mary Pierce, No. 13 Anastasia Myskina, No. 15 Nathalie Dechy, No. 17 Jelena Jankovic, No. 19 Elena Likhovtseva, and No. 23 Tatiana Golovin all won in straight sets.

Agassi's balky back hasn't acted up yet, but he's wary that it could go at any moment. A herniated disc shot pain down his right leg at the French Open, leading to his first-round loss there and his absence from Wimbledon. He could be playing his last U.S. Open but he hopes he will be able to keep going another year or two. Nothing, he said, would be decided until the end of this year.

"It was a good sign to play a guy where I had to lunge a lot and jump around," Agassi said. "It was 2 1/2 hours. I felt pretty good."

The fans, meanwhile, are relishing every moment with him, as he is with them.

Agassi has played the U.S. Open more than any man in the Open era except Jimmy Connors, who competed here 22 times. Agassi's win against Karlovic was his 73rd at the Open, tying him with Ivan Lendl for second in the Open era behind Connors' 98.

"I always enjoyed watching him as a kid," Karlovic said of Agassi. "He is a legend."

[ngrh8r]

Originally Posted by Anima Eternae

So asian martial arts expertise is a jew myth?

Are you aware that a much higher percentage of asians are raised with martial arts training compared to other races? And from a biological view, the asian formation of advanced martial arts makes perfect sense the fact asians have the fastest conscious reactions times out of any race (niggers have the slowest).

I saw a Vietnamese kid at my college drop a rowdy nigger at a party with one fucking hit to the solar plexus (although he had to jet after that because 7 of his homies decided to help out). I also know a few Thai kids who do Muay Thai and could beat the shit out of me or pretty any person who wasn't trained better than they were.

Most stereotypes do have a root in truth.

It figures that you'd say something like this. You're just like all the nigs in Opposing Views; you make bullshit claims that you can't back up. Isn't there a fucking slope forum you can join, mongrel scum?

[einzelwesen...]

How long has it been since he posted that? (Don't tell me you just reacted to it then? )

[einzelwesen...]

It doesn't have any sort of edge on it, and I don't carry it around on my hip in public, like an imbecile. <shrug>

[ngrh8r]

Originally Posted by Doppelhaken

Anima and I were just getting into this very subject,

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=22803

when I noticed this. Otherwise, this thread is pretty boring. Let's face it.



Not a wise thing for an Aussie to advertise...

Agreed, it is boring. How about a sword thread?

[J.P. Slovjanski]

Video proof of Asian fighting ability-

[Maven]

Originally Posted by einzelwesen

Good on you for saying so, AE. Being tough, being able to fight, essentially isn't shit- it's handy, sure, but at the end of the day the smart outlive the strong. And that's what life is, an endurance contest. Look at all the people who were strong, but were simply eclipsed by a better organised and more cohesive occupying force.

You're really making a false dichotomy between smart and strong. Military might still makes right, and there is no evidence that will ever change (and overwhelming evidence that it will not). Smarts are important for maximizing military might, but to get things done, you often still need to get boots on the ground. In most wars, close combat is still going to happen. There is nothing magical about "high tech" that keeps knives and fists from being useful in addition to bullets and bombs and missiles. But all of these are forms of strength.

The smart and strong emerge on top. Both are needed in order to rule. Where would America be without its military? For that matter, where would Israel be? In fact, Soviet and (to a much lesser extent) American military might are why the Third Reich lasted a helluva lot shorter than 1,000 years.

Anyway, interesting thread. Just read it all.

[einzelwesen...]

Military might still makes right, and there is no evidence that will ever change (and overwhelming evidence that it will not). Smarts are important for maximizing military might, but to get things done, you often still need to get boots on the ground. In most wars, close combat is still going to happen. There is nothing magical about "high tech" that keeps knives and fists from being useful in addition to bullets and bombs and missiles. But all of these are forms of strength.

Sure. But there's impetuous, brash, unthinking strength (which the Ancient Greeks called 'Ares' in their mythos), and there's cool-headed, strategic, temperate strength (which they called 'Pallas-Athena').

They both typify different types of strength, which may both be suited to different situations- but in a situation where both come head-to-head, who wins?

That's more what I meant.

[Antiochus Epiphanes]

Originally Posted by einzelwesen

Sure. But there's impetuous, brash, unthinking strength (which the Ancient Greeks called 'Ares' in their mythos), and there's cool-headed, strategic, temperate strength (which they called 'Pallas-Athena').

They both typify different types of strength, which may both be suited to different situations- but in a situation where both come head-to-head, who wins?

That's more what I meant.

Ceteris paribus, Pallas Athena wins time after time.

Right now, it's the USA that's playing Ares, and the wogs, are playing smart and mining their old play book as written by El-Saladhin.

http://www.btgod.com/bbs/attachment.php?aid=216865
(left click and save)

Russia karate vs China San Shou

bit torrent vid.

Dont want to ruin the ending but it pretty much goes against your idea that asians can't win in a fair fight.

And not ALL asian know martial arts thats just a stupid sterotype.

[Antiochus Epiphanes]

Originally Posted by Doppelhaken

This documentary suggests differently.

http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=3332

That was hilarious!

Martial arts that focus on striking, as most East Asian ones seem to, may be fine arts but do not correspond to reality as almost all fights go to grappling almost straight away. I find that East Asians are brave fighters but Whites have a big advantage in size, strength and weight, and especially aggression! How many East Asian boxing or wrestling or M.M.A. champions have you seen? yes, zero.

[Antiochus Epiphanes]

Originally Posted by Archer

Martial arts that focus on striking, as most East Asian ones seem to, may be fine arts but do not correspond to reality as almost all fights go to grappling almost straight away. I find that East Asians are brave fighters but Whites have a big advantage in size, strength and weight, and especially aggression! How many East Asian boxing or wrestling or M.M.A. champions have you seen? yes, zero.

in over a decade of active practice of tkd, shorinryu, akido, judo, in three different states, I saw only a literal handful (5) of Asians who were worth spit as martial artists. 3 in their 70s. I am thinking of 3 japs and 2 han-guks. I think 4/5 were immigrants and the one was born in Hawaii.

so the asian budoka of today, are not worth making fun of. it's really pathetic -- probably it's better in Asia, but in the USA the yellows are total physical wimps almost to a man. maybe that's just the general low quality of the immigrant stock, I dont know.

Or it may just be that in the midwest there are not so many yellows like there are in California or out east.

[Anima Eternae]

Originally Posted by Tien Xia

http://www.btgod.com/bbs/attachment.php?aid=216865
(left click and save)

Russia karate vs China San Shou

bit torrent vid.

Dont want to ruin the ending but it pretty much goes against your idea that asians can't win in a fair fight.

And not ALL asian know martial arts thats just a stupid sterotype.

Yeah, those Chinese guys were pretty good...and also pretty damn tall.

As far as I can tell when I watch pride or K1 the white guys get there asses kicked all the time. The best fighters are from brazil or japan and it is proven again and again in the ring.

Fedor Emelyanenko kicks ass in Pride: http://fedor.bel.ru/bio/index_eng.shtml

Originally Posted by Mcintosh

As far as I can tell when I watch pride or K1 the white guys get there asses kicked all the time. The best fighters are from brazil or japan and it is proven again and again in the ring.

You just made that up for effects didn't you, Jew?

Here's what happened when undefeated Russian champion Fedor Emelianenko fought "Japans favorite son" Naoya Ogawa, someone who was expected to dethrone the Russian and bring MMA glory to a nation revered for it's production of high quality "cans"(c level fighters).

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ABY5uS4jC...=fedor%20ogawa

In case you haven't stopped jerking off to kiddie porn long enough to watch a few fights, White men utterly dominate both the UFC and PRIDE, the 2 largest organizations, as well as the countless amature leagues.
http://images.picpile.com/uploads/689623514.gif

Oh look, it's loud mouthed nigger Vernon White sticking it to a cracka by slamming his face into his fist!

You have 2 fucking examples of good white fighters because there aren't anymore. Why do the people always have to lie about the white race on this forum? When I call most people on their lies they always become so defensive and start throwing insults. Most people are no better then the Jew on here because they take information and wrench it around to make the whites look better or find one positive fact and apply that to the white race as a whole.

Enough hysterics, let's look at the facts.

U.F.C. Champions:

Heavyweight: Andrei Arlovski - mixed race, mostly White
Light Heavyweight: Chuck Liddell - White
Middleweight: Rich Franklin - White
Welterweight: Matt Hughes - White
Lightweight: Vacant

PRIDE Champions:

Heavyweight: Fedor Emelianenko - White
Middleweight: Wanderlei Silva - mixed race
Welterweight: Dan Henderson - White
Lightweight: Takanori Gomi - Mongoloid

Those are the top two M.M.A. championships, I don't think that we need to go into all of the little ones. PRIDE is held in Japan too. Bear in mind that Whites are 8% of the World population.

White Power! :box: Fear the White Man you mud-skinned subhumans!

Why not include K-1 also:

K-1 World Grand Prix Champion: Semmy Schilt - White
K-1 Max World GP Champion: Andy Souwer - White

:cheers:

Edit: OK I won't add any more after this but I just had to add Pancrase Champion Josh Barnett, another tough Aryan man.