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Old May 28th, 2013 #1
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In the Bible,
Meshech Meshech
or Mosoch (Hebrew: משך‎ [meˈʃex] "price" or "precious") is named as
a son of Yapheth in Genesis 10:2 and 1 Chronicles 1:5.

Meskhetians (Meskhs). The self-designation is Meskhi. Related to ˈSɛltic Brigantes/Germani Burgundians. There is no certain derivation for the name and tribal origin of the Bryges. Semantically motivated by some aspect of the word meanings high, elevated, noble, illustrious.

The ancient tribes of Meskhi (Moschi or Muški) are the indigenous population in the land of the sons of
David David
, beyond the Araxes.

In it lies around the temple of Leucothea where ram is never sacrificed.

These people had their own ideas of what is right and proper. They rule openly in town or market-place they do at home; and what they do in the privacy of their houses they do out of doors in the open street, and nobody thinks the worst of them. Even the sexual act puts no one to blush in this community. On the contrary, like swine in the fields, they lie down on the ground in promiscuous intercourse and are not at all disconcerted by the presence of others. Then again, their king sat in loftiest hut of all to dispense justice to his numerous subjects. But if the poor man happens to make a mistake in his findings, they lock him up and give him nothing to eat for the rest of the day.

Two different groups are called Muški in the Assyrian sources (Diakonoff 1984:115), one from the 12th to 9th centuries, located near the confluence of the
Arsanias Arsanias
and the Euphrates ("Eastern Mushki"), and the other in the 8th to 7th centuries, located in Cappadocia and Cilicia ("Western Mushki"). Assyrian sources identify the Western Mushki with the
Phrygians Phrygians
, while Greek sources clearly distinguish between Phrygians and Moschoi.

The Mushki became connected with the Sea Peoples who roved the Mediterranean Sea. According to Herodotus, the equipment of the Moschoi was similar to that of the Tibareni, Macrones, Mossynoeci and Mardae, with wooden caps upon their heads, and shields and small spears, on which long points were set.

The Mossynoeci were "fair-complexioned and white-skinned", "with their backs variegated and their breasts tattooed with patterns of all sorts of flowers". They invented Iron Metallurgy and ruled over the
Chalybes Chalybes
, related to the biblical Chaldeans. The Greeks evidently used the name Chalybes for all of the inhabitants of the Pontus who traded in iron ore. The Moschi (in Pontus) and/or the Chalybes were foreign designations for the Chaldians (Halitu, Xaghtik') who actually did live between the Tibareni in the west, the Mosynoeci in the north, and the
Mitanni Mitanni
in the southeast.

The Mossynoikoi, Chaldoi/Chalybes and
Tubal Tubal
/Tabal/Tibareni, are counted among the first ironsmith nations by classical authors. Χάλυψ, the tribe's name in Greek, means "tempered iron, steel", a term that passed into Latin as chalybs, "steel". Sayce derived the Greek name Chalybe from Hittite Khaly-wa, "land of Halys". Khaldi was a warrior god whom the kings of Urartu would pray to for victories in battle. The temples dedicated to chaldi were adorned with weapons, such as swords, spears, bow and arrows, and shields hung off the walls and were sometimes known as 'the house of weapons'.

Mossynoeci

1 Peter 1:1
Peter the Apostle addresses the Pontians in his letter as the
"elect" and "chosen ones".
 
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Juhuro Mountain Jew
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In the Bible, Meshech or Mosoch (Hebrew: משך‎ [meˈʃex] "price" or "precious") is named as
a son of Yapheth in Genesis 10:2 and 1 Chronicles 1:5.

Meskhetians (Meskhs). The self-designation is Meskhi. Related to ˈSɛltic Brigantes/Germani Burgundians. There is no certain derivation for the name and tribal origin of the Bryges. Semantically motivated by some aspect of the word meanings high, elevated, noble,
illustrious


A Persian Darwīš (درویش) of ancient mystical meshech origin and descends from word that appears in Avestan as drigu-, "needy, mendicant", The Vedic word is probably to be analysed as a-dhrigu-, that is "not dhrigu-," perhaps "not poor", i.e. "rich." concepts. Dar in Persian means "a door"; "dervish" is interpreted as one who goes from door to door, an unflappable or
ascetic temperament

The ancient tribes of Meskhi (Moschi or Muški) are the indigenous population in the land of the sons of Diau, beyond the Araxes.

In it lies around the temple of Leucothea where a ram is never sacrificed

These people had their own ideas of what is right and proper. They rule openly in town or market-place they do at home; and what they do in the privacy of their houses they do out of doors in the open street, and nobody thinks the worst of them. Even the sexual act puts no one to blush in this community. On the contrary, like swine in the fields, they lie down on the ground in promiscuous intercourse and are not at all disconcerted by the presence of others. Then again, their king sat in loftiest hut of all to dispense justice to his numerous subjects. But if the poor man happens to make a mistake in his findings, they lock him up and give him nothing to eat for the rest of the day.

Two different groups are called Muški in the Assyrian sources (Diakonoff 1984:115), one from the 12th to 9th centuries, located near the confluence of the Arsanias and the Euphrates ("Eastern Mushki"), and the other in the 8th to 7th centuries, located in Cappadocia and Cilicia ("Western Mushki"). Assyrian sources identify the Western Mushki with the Phrygians, while Greek sources clearly distinguish between Phrygians and Moschoi.

The Mushki became connected with the Sea Peoples who roved the Mediterranean Sea. According to Herodotus, the equipment of the Moschoi was similar to that of the Tibareni, Macrones, Mossynoeci and Mardae, with wooden caps upon their heads, and shields and small spears, on which long points were set.

The Mossynoeci were "fair-complexioned and white-skinned", "with their backs variegated and their breasts tattooed with patterns of all sorts of flowers". They invented Iron Metallurgy and ruled over the Chalybes, related to the biblical Chaldeans. The Greeks evidently used the name Chalybes for all of the inhabitants of the Pontus who traded in iron ore. The Moschi (in Pontus) and/or the Chalybes were foreign designations for the Chaldians (Halitu, Xaghtik') who actually did live between the Tibareni in the west, the Mosynoeci in the north, and the Matieni in the southeast.

The Mossynoikoi, Chaldoi/Chalybes and Tubal/Tabal/Tibareni, are counted among the first ironsmith nations by classical authors. Χάλυψ, the tribe's name in Greek, means "tempered iron, steel", a term that passed into Latin as chalybs, "steel". Sayce derived the Greek name Chalybe from Hittite Khaly-wa, "land of Halys". Khaldi was a warrior god whom the kings of Urartu would pray to for victories in battle. The temples dedicated to chaldi were adorned with weapons, such as swords, spears, bow and arrows, and shields hung off the walls and were sometimes known as 'the house of weapons'.

Mossynoeci

1 Peter 1:1
Peter the Apostle addresses the Pontians in his letter as the
"elect" and "chosen ones".
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[CENTER]The Mushroom Jews






New York Times, September 14, 1902


Kavkaz._Armianin



Kavkaz._Gruziny

Comparing physic-anthropological characteristics of Tats and Mountain Jews together with information about their languages suggests no signs of ethnic unity between the two.

Like most "Jewish" languages, the grammatical structure of Juhuri retains archaic features of the language it is derived from. At the same time all of these languages are satiated with Hebrew words. The loanwords from Aramaic and Hebrew in Juhuri include words not directly connected with Judaic rituals (e.g. zoft resin, nokumi envy, ghuf body, keton linen, etc.) Some syntactical features of Juhuri have are ones typical for Hebrew.

The physical-anthropological types of Caucasian Persians (Tats) and Mountain Jews are dissimilar.

In 1913 the anthropologist K.M. Kurdov carried out measurements of a large group of Tat population of Lahij village and revealed fundamental differences of their physical-anthropological type from the Mountain Jews. Measurements of Tats and Mountain Jews were also made by some other researchers.

Cephalic index measurements have showed that while for Tats mesocephalia and dolichocephalia are typical, extreme brachycephalia is typical for Mountain Jews. Dermatoglyphic characteristics of the Tats and Mountain Jews also exclude ethnic similarity.
 
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There is no such thing as the "Hebrew" language. It's a bastardized version of Phoenician with some Sanskrit thrown in.

Just for the record I think the ancient Israelites came from Armenia or what is now Turkey.
 
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Kura–Araxes culture

The Kura–Araxes culture or the early trans-Caucasian culture, was a civilization that existed from 3400 BC until about 2000 BC, which has traditionally been regarded as the date of its end, but it may have disappeared as early as 2600 or 2700 BC. The earliest evidence for this culture is found on the Ararat plain; thence it spread to Georgia by 3000 BC (but never reaching Colchis, and during the next two millenniums it proceeded westward to the Erzurum plain, southwest to Cilicia, and to the southeast into an area below the Urmia basin and Lake Van, and finally down to present day Israel.



The name of the culture is derived from the Kura and Araxes river valleys. It gave rise to the later
Khirbet_Kerak Khirbet_Kerak
ware culture found in Canaan after the fall of the Akkadian Empire.


Khirbet Kerak
Khirbet al-Karak


Alternate names: Beth Yerah, Tell Beth Yerah

Location:

Periods: Bronze Age - Crusader period

Archaeologists: Na'im Makhouly, Benjamin Mazar, Michael Avi-Yonah, Moshe Sheteklis, Emanuel Dunayevsky, Pesach Bar-Adon, P.L.O. Guy, Ruth Amiran, Rafi Greenberg

Website: Tel Bet Yerah Research and Excavation Project
 
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