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Old March 16th, 2014 #361
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And there should be no doubt that all your bullshit still doesn't matter.

It's not the role of count Trolltard like yourself, to decide, what natural differences between European peoples should or shouldn't imply..
You said you are a Slav.

Which Slavic language do you speak?
 
Old March 17th, 2014 #362
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Nice wishes,I can only say that about Croats have 4 basic theories about origin: Slavic,Iliryans,Ghots and Persians,so we don't get conclusions where is the origin If we know this.
Can I just get quote by you where Hitler said that he regads as fit for assmilation to Germandom?

"If the Croats were part of the Reich, we'd have them serving as faithful auxiliaries of the German Fuehrer, to police our marshes. Whatever happens, one shouldn't treat them as Italy is doing at present. The Croats are a proud people. They should be bound by an oath of loyalty. Like that, one could rely on them absolutely. When I have Kvaternik standing in front of me, I behold the very type of the Croat as I've always known him, unshakable in his friendships, a man whose oath is eternally binding. The Croats are very keen on not being regarded as Slavs. According to them, they're descended from the Goths. The fact that they speak a Slav language is only an accident, they say." (Adolf Hitler, 29th October 1942, recorded in Hitler's Table Talk)

"Turning to the Croats, I must say I think it is highly desirable, from the ethnical point of view, that they should be Germanised. There are, however, political considerations which completely preclude any such measures." (Adolf Hitler, 12 May 1942, recorded in Hitler's Table Talk)

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Old March 19th, 2014 #363
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Some of these Slavs with their victimization-complex based on Communist post-war brainwashing are a real pain in the ass. I wouldn't even argue with somebody that has such an attitude.
Already found this attitude on non-slavic european nationalists from countries of nazi occupied Europe.

They usually say they are nationalists and Hitler was bad because he invaded them and killed many of their people ...

But what they don't say is more important than what they say.
I slowly discovered it by myself.

Usually these "nationalists" are commies, they are whining because the SS killed their Partizan comrades or because they killed civilians that collaborated with the Partizans.

See these Partizans never achieved anything, they only put the local population in danger because of their sabotage and ambush activities against the Wermacht.

In normal circumstances the Nazis only wanted the Jews, Gypsys and some higher figure politician but after these attacks they punished the locals that were protecting them.

It is also true that some locals welcomed the invaders and joined them against Bolshevism. Some of these Eastern Europeans wearing the nazi uniform took revenge against the communists and Jews because of what they have done before to their families and some other ethnic minorities but afterwards it was the Germans who took all the blame for all these atrocities.


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In reality Slavs are a linguistic group, not a racial group. By the 1940s Hitler had recognized this. He says it in the Table Talk. He sees inequality among the various populations called Slavic. Some, like Czechs, Croats, and some Poles, he regards as fit for assimilation to Germandom.
I don't think that Croats are more fit for assimilation to Germandom than Slovenes.

There was an intensive German colonization in Slovenia and they were ruled by German speaking kingdoms/empires for centuries.

The main territory of Slovenia, was the most industrialized and westernized compared to other less developed parts of Yugoslavia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovenia#History


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"If the Croats were part of the Reich, we'd have them serving as faithful auxiliaries of the German Fuehrer, to police our marshes. Whatever happens, one shouldn't treat them as Italy is doing at present. The Croats are a proud people. They should be bound by an oath of loyalty. Like that, one could rely on them absolutely. When I have Kvaternik standing in front of me, I behold the very type of the Croat as I've always known him, unshakable in his friendships, a man whose oath is eternally binding. The Croats are very keen on not being regarded as Slavs. According to them, they're descended from the Goths. The fact that they speak a Slav language is only an accident, they say." (Adolf Hitler, 29th October 1942, recorded in Hitler's Table Talk)

"Turning to the Croats, I must say I think it is highly desirable, from the ethnical point of view, that they should be Germanised. There are, however, political considerations which completely preclude any such measures." (Adolf Hitler, 12 May 1942, recorded in Hitler's Table Talk)
The truth is Hitler only invaded the Balkans to save Mussolini ass in Greece.

According to film-maker and friend of Adolf Hitler Leni Riefenstahl, Hitler said that "if the Italians hadn't attacked Greece and needed our help, the war would have taken a different course. We could have anticipated the Russian cold by weeks and conquered Leningrad and Moscow. There would have been no Stalingrad".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Greece#Citations


These Balkanoids are problematic and conflictual with all their Illyrian/Slavic/Persian/Goths/Macedonians theories and religious divisions.

My opinion is they don't really know who they are or who their ancestor's were. The majority of these new independent countries from ex-Yugoslavia look like fake nations.

In the other day i was reading my history books from high school and the only entry it had relative to this region was the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria that lead to WWI.

I don't know why they are so proud, they never had an achievement that deserved to be immortalized in the history books besides a crime murder.

You can see their behavior today when they immigrate to countries like Sweden to suck the Social Security dry like the non-whites do. Some say that Afreeka starts in the Balkans and i tend to agree.
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Old March 19th, 2014 #364
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I don't know why they are so proud, they never had an achievement that deserved to be immortalized in the history books besides a crime murder.
In which region are stunted and defeated Turks? You must know that Austria and Hungary always looked interests of Hungars and Austrians and that leadership of Habsburg monarchy (later Austria-Hungary monarchy) killed all who want to be free. What about this aftermath about eventual "crimes"?

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Old April 13th, 2014 #365
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"Document 2916-PS: Commitment Of Manpower Doctrines-Orders-Directives [partial translation]", in Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression. Volume V: US Government Printing Office, District of Columbia: GPO, 1946. pp. 581-587.

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The Reichsfuehrer SS Reich Commissioner for the Strengthening of the National Character of the German People

Edited by the Department I Office of the Reich Commissioner for the Strengthening of the National Character of the German People. 12/1940; Printed in the "Reich" printing office.

D. Re-Germanization of lost German Blood [Pages 51-52]

Commitment of Poles qualified for Re-Germanization.

The removal of foreign races from the incorporated Eastern Territories is one of the most essential goals to be accomplished in the German East. This is the chief national political task, which has to be executed in the incorporated eastern territories by the "Reichsfuehrer SS", Reich Commissioner for the strengthening of the national character of the German people. In solving this question, which is most closely connected with the ethnoindigenous problem in the eastern territories the racial selection is of the utmost and actually decisive importance, next to the aspects of language, education and confession. As necessary as it is, in the interest of a permanent solution for the German eastern territories, that the elements there of foreign descent should not be allowed to have or to take up their permanent residence there, so it is indispensable too, that persons of German blood in these territories must be regained for the German nation, even if those of German blood are Polonized as far as their confession and language is concerned. Just from these people of German blood, the former Polish State obtained those leaders, who eventually showed a violent hostile attitude against their own German People, be it through delusion, be it through a desired or unconscious misconception of their ties of blood.

Therefore, it is an absolute national political necessity to comb out those of German blood in the incorporated eastern territories and later also in the general government and to return the lost German blood to its own German people. It is, perhaps of secondary importance, what kind of measures are to be taken against renegades. It is critical that at least their children do not devolve anymore to the Poles, but are brought up in a German environment. The re-Germanization however can under no circumstance be carried out in former Polish environments and can only be effected in the old German Reich or in the Ostmark.

Thus, there are the following two primary reasons, which makes the regaining of lost German blood an urgent necessity.

1. Prevention of a further increase of the Polish intelligentsia, through families of German descent even if they are Polonized.

2. Increase of the population by racial elements desirable for the German nation, and the acquisition of ethno-biologically unobjectionable forces for the German reconstruction of agriculture and industry. The task of the re-Germanization of the lost German blood has been embarked upon next within the framework of the evacuation of those Poles in the "Warthegau" who had to make room for the resettlement of Baltic and Wolhynien-Germans.
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Old April 13th, 2014 #366
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"Document 862-PS [translation]", in Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression. Volume III: US Government Printing Office, District of Columbia: 1947. pp. 618-619.

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The Deputy General of the Armed Forces with the Reich Protector in Bohemia and Moravia.
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Prague, 10/15/1940.
TOP SECRET (through officers only)

Re: Basic political principles in the Protectorate 4 copies, 1st copy

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1 Annex [Pencil marks]:

K [Keitel] 21/X

J [Jodl] Chief OKW through Chief WFSt

W [Warlimont] 18/10

On 9 October of this year the office of the Reich Protector held an official conference in which State Secretary SS Lt. General K. H. Frank spoke about the following:

Since creation of the protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia, party agencies, industrial circles, as well as agencies of the central authorities of Berlin have had difficulties about the solution of the Czech problem.

After ample deliberation, the Reich Protector expressed his view about the various plans in a memorandum. In this, three ways of solution were indicated:

a. German infiltration of Moravia and reduction of the Czech Nationality to a residual Bohemia.

This solution is considered as unsatisfactory, because the Czech problem, even if in a diminished form, will continue to exist.

b. Many arguments can be brought up against the most radical solution, namely the deportation of all the Czechs. Therefore the memorandum comes to the conclusion that it cannot be carried out within a reasonable space of time.

c. Assimilation of the Czechs, i.e. absorption of about half of the Czech nationality by the Germans, insofar as this is of importance by being valuable from a racial or other standpoint [blut-und sonst wertmaessig Bedentunghat]. This will take place among other things, also by increasing the Arbeitseinsatz of the Czechs in the Reich territory (with the exception of the Sudeten German border district), in other words by dispersing the closed Czech nationality.

The other half of the Czech nationality must be deprived of its power, eliminated, and shipped out of the country by all sorts of methods. This applies particularly to the racially mongoloid part and to the major part of the intellectual class. The latter can scarcely be converted ideologically and would represent a burden by constantly making claims for the leadership over the other Czech classes and thus interfering with a rapid assimilation.

Elements which counteract the planned Germanization are to be handled roughly and should be eliminated.

The above development naturally presupposes an increased influx of Germans from the Reich territory into the Protectorate.

After a discussion, the Fuehrer has chosen solution c (assimilation) as a directive for the solution of the Czech problem and decided that, while keeping up the autonomy of the Protectorate on the surface, the Germanization will have to be carried out in a centralized way by the office of the Reich Protectorate for years to come.

From the above no particular conclusions are drawn by the armed forces. This is the direction which has always been represented from here. In this connection, I refer to my memorandum which was sent to the Chief of the Supreme Command of the Armed Forces, dated 7/12/1939, file number 6/39, top secret, entitled: "The Czech Problem." (Attached as annex) [Moderator's note -- not included in this exhibit].

The Deputy General of the Armed Forces with the Reich Protector in Bohemia and Moravia.

Signed: FRIDERICI
Infantry Lt. General

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Old April 15th, 2014 #367
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This is not truth! How you can explain massive Slavic Officers in Waffen-SS and how you explain Hitlers wish for pact with Yugoslavia, Serbs are Slavs, Croat are Slavs, in USSR was Waffen-SS units, as ROA and RONA leading by SS Brigadefuhrer Bronislaw Caminski -
Bronislaw_Kaminski Bronislaw_Kaminski

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Old April 15th, 2014 #368
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Vlasov was permitted to make several trips to Nazi-occupied Russia: most notably, to Pskov, where Russian pro-German volunteers paraded. The populace's reception of Vlasov was mixed. While in Pskov, Vlasov dealt himself a nearly fatal political blow by referring to the Germans as mere "guests" during a speech, which Hitler found belittling. Vlasov was even put under house arrest and threatened with being handed over to the Gestapo. Despondent about his mission, Vlasov threatened to resign and return to the POW camp, but was dissuaded at the last minute by his confidants.

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From Himmler's Posen speech:

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Then you hear the next prayer. This goes: "We were wrong about the Russians." This song is usually sung by men from some Eastern province, who were over there in their youth, some of whom have written very good books and had a Russian mother, too, and now they tell stories. It is also sung by the little political vagabonds whom we first came to know in the eastern struggle against Poland, whom we rejected at home, and who have now been drafted as soldiers, officers and majors, and are still peddling their intellectual poison under cover of the uniform of our decent German army. Goaded on by this propaganda tendency — I can't call it anything else — they tell you so many stories, or write them home by military post (and the stories then trickle down from top to bottom): "Yes, we were wrong about the Russians. The Russians are not at all the robot" (this is the expression used most frequently) "that we thought they were in 1941. Now that we're over here in the East, our eyes have been opened. The Russians are a noble people, and so on and so forth, a collection of all virtues. We just have to educate them as National Socialists, the best thing would be to create a NSRAP or something similar. Then they would" — this is the next bit — "form the army of liberation under General Vlasov". Then comes the following, which is a constant claim of General Vlasov: "Russia can only be freed by Russians. Germany has so far never been able to defeat the Russians". So give Vlasov 500,000 or 1,000,000 Russians, arm them well, train them insofar as possible according to German principles, and Vlasov is so noble, that he'll go off against the Russians and kill them for us.

People can blow off a great deal of stuff and nonsense; that wouldn't be so dangerous. But when a piece of nonsense like this has the end effect that a glorious army, looking back on hundreds of years of tradition like the German one, begins to doubt its own strength due to the gossip of politically untrained little officers of higher or lower service grades — the little bundle of proverbs who talks like this doesn't even notice how devastating it is when he says: "We cannot beat the Russians, they can only do that themselves" — then that is dangerous. Everybody you ask, "How's the Russian infantry?", will tell you, with pathetic thoughtlessness (since the two things don't go together logically, after all): "The Russian infantry is garbage. We are vastly superior to them." But: Russians can only be defeated by Russians.

I wouldn't have had any objections, if we had hired Mr. Vlasov and every other Slavic subject wearing a Russian general's uniform, to make propaganda against the Russians. I wouldn't have any objections at all. Wonderful.
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Vlasov again

When Fegelein told me the story of the general, I said, "Sure, we can do everything. The man gets promised everything and he'll get it, too. He gets the pension of a German lieutenant general (he's a Russian lieutenant general). He gets good food, liquor, women."

That's really disgustingly cheap. A torpedo costs, what do I know, 10,000 marks, as soon as we fire it. The preliminary concentrated artillery fire for a single division or corps costs many hundreds of thousands. We don't even know whether the fire will be as effective in every case as when we buy just one cheap Russian general.

Of course, it doesn't go like that formally; you don't say, "You get 100,000 marks down, now betray everything to us". Of course, he won't do it. Comrade Slav has a few points of honour here. You have to go about it differently. Let's figure it out. How much pension does he get? 1,500 marks a month, that's 18,000 marks a year. Let him live 10 years, that's 180,000 marks. Miscellaneous expenditure is 20,000 marks. That's 200,000 marks total. It's really cheap if you get a Russian offensive army for it. You can do that with every Russian general, every one. We really shouldn't take them so seriously. If we could do that, then things would go right. But we Germans handle it so badly, I must say, in the state and the armed forces, that even many a Party comrade has walked on that bird's lime and gotten stuck.

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"Document 2916-PS: Commitment Of Manpower Doctrines-Orders-Directives [partial translation]", in Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression. Volume V: US Government Printing Office, District of Columbia: GPO, 1946. pp. 581-587.



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You post these texts of documents but there is no context to clarify what they mean. It is not clear that you know what they mean, either.

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The removal of foreign races from the incorporated Eastern Territories is one of the most essential goals to be accomplished in the German East.
What are the "incorporated Eastern Territories"? Probably just some former parts of Poland, like Wartheland. Not all of Poland was incorporated into Germany after September 1939.

Who are the "foreign races"? Jews, Gypsies, and some but not all of the people called Poles. Clearly not all Poles, because the document also mentions re-germanization.
 
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You post these texts of documents but there is no context to clarify what they mean. It is not clear that you know what they mean, either.
Its very clear, it shows what Himmler intended for the future of the eastern Europeans and other non-Germans of the east:

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Translation of Document No-1880, Prosecution Exhibit 1314.

[This memorandum is undated, but the time of Himmler's handing it to Hitler and others is noted in the next document reproduced herein.]

[Handwritten] Dr. Gross of the Racial Policy Office has been informed 28 November 1940. Wolff.
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Reflections on the Treatment of Peoples of Alien Races in the East:

Concerning the treatment of peoples of alien races in the East we have to see to it that we acknowledge and cultivate as many individual ethnic groups as possible, that is, outside of the Poles and the Jews, also the Ukrainians, the White Russians, the Gorals [Goralen], the Lemcos [Lemken] and the Cashubos [Kaschuben]. If other small and isolated national groups can be found in other places, they should be treated the same way.

What I want to say is that we are not only most interested in not unifying the population of the East, but, on the contrary, in splitting them up into as many parts and fragments as possible.

But even within the ethnic groups themselves we have one interest in leading these to unity and greatness, or perhaps arouse in them gradually a national consciousness and national culture, but we want to dissolve them into innumerable small fragments and particles.

We naturally want to use the members of all these ethnic groups, especially of the small ones, in positions of police officials and mayors. Only the mayors and local police authorities will be allowed to head those ethnic groups. As far as the Gorals are concerned the individual chieftains and elders of the tribes, who live in continuous feud with each other anyhow, should fill these positions. There must be no centralization toward the top, because only by dissolving this whole conglomeration of peoples of the Government General, amounting to 15 million, and of the 8 million of the eastern provinces, will it be possible for us to carry out the racial sifting which must be the basis for our considerations: namely selecting out of this conglomeration the racially valuable and bringing them to Germany and assimilating them there.

Within a very few years--I should think about 4 to 5 years the name of the Cashubes, for instance, must be unknown, because at that time there won't be a Cashubian people any more (this also goes especially for the West Prussians). I hope that the concepts of Jews will be completely extinguished through the possibility of a large emigration of all Jews to Africa or some other colony. Within a somewhat longer period, it should also be possible to make the ethnic concepts of Ukrainians, Gorals and Lemcos disappear in our area. What has been said for those fragments of peoples is also meant on a correspondingly larger scale for the Poles.

A basic issue in the solution of all these problems is the question of schooling and thus the question of sifting and selecting the young. For the non-German population of the East there must be no higher school than the four-grade elementary school. The sole goal of this school is to be--

Simply arithmetic up to 500 at the most; writing of one's name; the doctrine that it is a divine law to obey the Germans and to be honest, industrious, and good. I don't think that reading is necessary.

Apart from this school there are to be no schools at all in the East. Parents, who from the beginning want to give their children better schooling in the elementary school as well as later on in a higher school, must take an application to the Higher SS and Police Leaders. The first consideration in dealing with this application will be whether the child is racially perfect and conforming to our conditions. If we acknowledge such a child to be as of our blood, the parents will be notified that the child will be sent to a school in Germany and that it will permanently remain in Germany.

Cruel and tragic as every individual case may be, this method is still the mildest and best one if, out of inner conviction, one rejects as un-German and impossible the Bolshevist method of physical extermination of a people.

The parents of such children of good blood will be given the choice to either give away their child; they will then probably produce no more children so that the danger of this subhuman people of the East [Untermenschenvolk des Ostens] obtaining class of leaders which, since it would be equal to us, would also be dangerous for us, will disappear--or else the parents pledge themselves to go to Germany and to become loyal citizens there. The love toward their child, whose future and education depends on the loyalty of the parents, will be a strong weapon in dealing with them.

Apart from examining the applications made by parents for better schooling of their children, there will be an annual sifting of all children of the Government General between the ages of 6 to 10 years in order to separate the racially valuable and non-valuable ones. The ones considered racially valuable will be treated in the same way as the children who are admitted on the basis of the approved application of their parents.

I consider it as a matter of course from an emotional as well as from a rational viewpoint that the moment children and parents come to Germany they are not treated like lepers in the schools and in everyday life, but, after having changed their names, they should, in full confidence, be incorporated into the German life, although attention and vigilance must be exercised with regard to them. It must not happen that the children be made to feel as outcasts, because, after all, we believe in this, our own blood, which, through the errors of German history has flowed into an alien nationality and we are convinced that our ideology and our ideals will strike a chord of resonance in the racially equal soul of these children. Here teachers and Hitler Youth leaders especially must do an out-and-out job, and the mistake that has been made in the past with the people from Alsace Lorraine must never be repeated; namely, that on one side one wants to win the people as Germans, and on the other side one constantly hurts and repudiates their human value, their pride and honor through distrust and insults. Insults like "Polack" and "Ukrainian" or something like that must be made impossible.

The children will have to be educated in an elementary school and after those four grades it can be decided whether the children should continue to go to the German grammar school or should be transferred to a national political institution of education.

The population of the Government General during the next 10 years, by necessity and after a consistent carrying out of these measures, will be composed of the remaining inferior population supplemented by the population of the eastern provinces deported there, and of all those parts of the German Reich which have the same racial and human qualities for instance, parts of the Sorbs [Sorben] and Wends [Wenden].

This population will, as a people of laborers without leaders, be at our disposal and will furnish Germany annually with migrant workers and with workers for special tasks (roads, quarries, buildings): they themselves will have more to eat and more to live on than under the Polish regime; and, though they have no culture of their own, they will, under the strict, consistent, and just leadership of the German people, be called upon to help work on its everlasting cultural tasks and its buildings and perhaps, as far as the amount of heavy work is concerned, will be the ones who make the realization of these tasks possible.
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What are the "incorporated Eastern Territories"? Probably just some former parts of Poland, like Wartheland. Not all of Poland was incorporated into Germany after September 1939.
Get a map of the NS-occupied areas and its covered.

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Who are the "foreign races"? Jews, Gypsies, and some but not all of the people called Poles. Clearly not all Poles, because the document also mentions re-germanization.
Poles included yes, all non-Germans (see above). The ones fit for Germanization were the ones who lived there but were said to be of German descent.
 
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Some people need to stop fooling themselves into the thinking that the Third Reich were Slavic 'friendly', this is complete nonsense.

Although Slavs were regarded as Aryans and on many occasions some Slavic ethnic groups were used as for instance as Aryans there is no doubt Himmler and many others viewed Slavs (especially East Slavs) as racially inferior and mixed with Mongols. Himmler even labeled Russians as "sub-humans". There is clear evidence of this, read below:

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The Slav is never able to build anything himself. In the long run, he's not capable of it. I'll come back to this later. With the exception of a few phenomena produced by Asia every couple of centuries, through that mixture of two heredities which may be fortunate for Asia but is unfortunate for us Europeans -- with the exception, therefore, of an Attila, a Genghis Khan, a Tamerlaine, a Lenin, a Stalin -- the mixed race of the Slavs is based on a sub-race with a few drops of blood of our blood, blood of a leading race; the Slav is unable to control himself and create order. He is able to argue, able to debate, able to disintegrate, able to offer resistance against every authority and to revolt. But these human shoddy goods are just as incapable of maintaining order today as they were 700 or 800 years ago, when they called in the Varangians, when they called in the Ruriks.

In our ranks, we live according to our Germanic laws, one of which, a really beautiful one, says, "Honour is compulsion enough." With foreign peoples, we must apply Asiatic laws. We must never lose sight of that. If we have one of our blood before us, a Norwegian or Dutchman of good racial stock, then we can only win his heart over to us according to our, that means his and our, totally Germanic laws. With a Russian or Slav, from a racial point of view, we should never even try to apply our holy laws to them, but rather the tried and tested laws of the Russian commissar.

We want to show the English, the Americans, and the Russian sub-humans that we are tougher; that we, precisely we, the SS, will be those who stand forever.

Himmler, Posen Speech, 1943
For those who insist on claiming that because there were SS divisions of Russians somehow prove they were on good terms with Russians, not really. Vlasov and other Russians were nothing but cannon fodders for the Germans due to shortage of German manpower, the idea of them being in the uniforms was disapproved of by many SS and prominent NS leaders. From the same Posen speech:

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So give Vlasov 500,000 or 1,000,000 Russians, arm them well, train them insofar as possible according to German principles, and Vlasov is so noble, that he'll go off against the Russians and kill them for us.

I wouldn't have had any objections, if we had hired Mr. Vlasov and every other Slavic subject wearing a Russian general's uniform, to make propaganda against the Russians. I wouldn't have any objections at all. Wonderful.
Another speech regarding the racial inferiority of the Slavs:

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It is a war of ideologies and struggle races. On one side stands National Socialism: ideology, founded on the values of our Germanic, Nordic blood. It is worth the world as we want to see: beautiful, orderly, fair, socially, a world that may be, still suffers some flaws, but overall a happy, beautiful world filled with culture, which is precisely Germany. On the other side stands the 180 millionth people, a mixture of races and peoples, whose names are unpronounceable, and whose physical nature is such that the only thing that they can do - is to shoot without pity or mercy. These animals, which are subjected to torture and ill-treatment of each prisoner from our side, which do not have medical care they captured our wounded, as do the decent men, you will see them for yourself. These people have joined a Jewish religion, one ideology, called Bolshevism, with the task of: having now Russian, half [located] in Asia, parts of Europe, crush Germany and the world. When you, my friends, are fighting in the East, you keep that same fight against the same subhumans, against the same inferior races that once appeared under the name of Huns, and later - 1,000 years ago during the time of King Henry and Otto I, - the name of the Hungarians, and later under the name of Tatars, and then they came again under the name of Genghis Khan and the Mongols. Today they are called Russian under the political banner of Bolshevism.

Himmler, Stettlin, 1941
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Concerning the treatment of peoples of alien races in the East we have to see to it that we acknowledge and cultivate as many individual ethnic groups as possible, that is, outside of the Poles and the Jews, also the Ukrainians, the White Russians, the Gorals [Goralen], the Lemcos [Lemken] and the Cashubos [Kaschuben]. If other small and isolated national groups can be found in other places, they should be treated the same way.

A basic issue in the solution of all these problems is the question of schooling and thus the question of sifting and selecting the young. For the non-German population of the East there must be no higher school than the four-grade elementary school. The sole goal of this school is to be--

Simply arithmetic up to 500 at the most; writing of one's name; the doctrine that it is a divine law to obey the Germans and to be honest, industrious, and good. I don't think that reading is necessary.

The parents of such children of good blood will be given the choice to either give away their child; they will then probably produce no more children so that the danger of this subhuman people of the East [Untermenschenvolk des Ostens] obtaining class of leaders which, since it would be equal to us, would also be dangerous for us, will disappear--or else the parents pledge themselves to go to Germany and to become loyal citizens there. The love toward their child, whose future and education depends on the loyalty of the parents, will be a strong weapon in dealing with them.

Himmler's secret memo "Reflections on the Treatment of Peoples of Alien Races in the East", 1940

For those interested, you may want to read National Socialist Foreign policy people, see http://archive.org/stream/Leuschner-....Scan_djvu.txt - it gives an in sight into the actual policy towards other Europeans.

You may also want to be aware that the racial defilement law Rassenschande was extended to all foreign peoples who were labourers under the Third Reich and the Gestapo aimed the punishment more towards the eastern Europeans due to the "risk for the racial integrity of the German nation", many Polish and Russian males for example were hanged for having sexual relations with German women.

Himmler was anti-Slav and played a massive part in the ideology of the SS, nobody can deny what he said above and what he intended. That is not to say all NS agreed with him, Rosenberg certainly did not for example, he actually complained about the treatment the Slavs were receiving from the SS.

Hitler was very vague on his opinions on the Slavs as a whole and it varied from group to group but there is no secret he despised the Russians for giving way to the Jewish Bolsheviks and described Russians as an inferior race in Mein Kampf:

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By handing Russia to Bolshevism, it robbed the Russian nation of that intelligentsia which previously brought about and guaranteed its existence as a state. For the organization of a Russian state formation was not the result of the political abilities of the Slavs in Russia, but only a wonderful example of the state-forming efficacity of the German element in an inferior race.

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The ones fit for Germanization were the ones who lived there but were said to be of German descent.

Not necessarily "of German descent" but Eindeutschungsfaehig, or "suitability to be Germanized" which applied to many non-German ethnicities throughout East and Southeast.
 
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Not necessarily "of German descent" but Eindeutschungsfaehig, or "suitability to be Germanized" which applied to many non-German ethnicities throughout East and Southeast.
In which meant those of German descent or where German blood has overcame the Polish blood:

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Decree relating to the screening and segregation of the population in the incorporated Eastern territories [pages 91-93]

A. Prerequisites (Volkssturmerlass) [Decree concerning national character]

Before the start of the basic reorganization of the population in the incorporated Eastern territories, full knowledge of the following points is necessary:

I. Present population statistics:

In the four East "gauen" according to the latest statistics there were at hand (including former Reich areas):

8.1 million Germans
60000 Jews
8.53 million Poles
180000 others (Slovaks, Ukrainians, Russians, Czechs)

In evaluating these numbers it is necessary to note, that with the exception of the "Warthegau", there are large groups of persons, whose racial classification cannot be clearly established. In the "Gau" Danzig-West Prussia there are thus involved about:

1. 120000 Kaschuben

2. about 100000 Former Poles, who have a predilection for Germanizing, on account of mixed marriages and cultural influence.

In the administrative district of Kattowitz:

1. 120000 Slovaks

2. 400000-500000 Upper Silesians ("Water Poles")

In the administrative district of Zichenau and Suwalki: about 5000 Masurs [Masuren]

II. Future composition of the population. The planned screening and segregation will result in the following groups of the former population:

Group A. Ethnic Germans, who are German citizens and have the Reich citizenship.

Group B. Persons of German descent, who have to be made real Germans again, are only German citizens but not yet citizens of the Reich. The re-Germanization has to be achieved generally in the old Reich.

Group C. Important foreign nationals and German renegades who have the German citizenship until further notice. They have to be re-Germanized in the old Reich.

Group D. Foreign nationals, who are not German citizens.

Among the group of foreign nationals there are at most, 1 million persons who may be considered as suitable for re-Germanization, who are related through blood and constitute a desirable increase in population for the German people on a racial basis. The ascertainment of these persons can be arranged by racial separation only on the basis of our National-Socialist conception. These selected, are in reality persons destined for re-Germanization, that means, to recover lost German blood. The history of the East proves that the attempt of a general Germanization of the Eastern provinces, not based on racial aspects, eventually led to failure and to the loss of the German Eastern provinces.

B. Accomplishment. For the accomplishment of the screening and segregation of the population in the incorporated Eastern territories the following instructions are hereby decreed, which are binding for all departments concerned:

I. Establishment of the nationality The Reich governors or "Oberpraesidenten" will establish the "list of German nationals". For Silesia the present deputy Gauleiter as delegate of the Reich commissioner for the strengthening of the national character of the German people, is the competent authority.

Conditions for admittance into the "list of Ethnic Germans."

Acceptable will be:

a. He who has proved himself to be an ethnic German up to 9/1/1939.

b. He who did not avow himself to be an ethnic German up to 9/1/1939 but submitted suitable avowal later on provided this avowal is confirmed by facts like descent, race, education and culture. In the case of doubt, it is decisive, whether the person in question is considered a desirable population increase on the basis of race.

As a German in the sense of sub-section "a," a person will also be recognized, whose mother tongue is not German (Masurians, Kashubs, Slonzaks, upper Silesians) in as far as the person avowed to be an ethnic German up to 9/1/1939.

The "list of ethnic Germans" will be divided into four parts, (limited) to inter-office use:

1. Ethnic Germans who fought actively in the Ethnic struggle. Besides the membership of a German organization, every other activity in favor of the German against a foreign nationality will be considered an active manifestation.

2. Ethnic Germans, who did not actively intervene in favor of the German nationality but who preserved their traceable German nationality.

3. Persons of German descent, who became connected with the Polish nation in the course of the years, but have on account of their attitude, the prerequisites to become full fledged members of the German national community. To this group belong also persons of non-German descent who live in a people's mixed marriage with an ethnic German in which the influence of the German spouse has prevailed. Persons of Masurian, Slonzak, or upper Silesian descent who are to be recognized as ethnic Germans, usually belong to this group 3.

4. Persons of German descent, politically absorbed by the Polish nation (Renegades).


Persons not included on the list of ethnic Germans (Deutsche Volksliste) are Poles or foreign nationals. Their treatment is regulated in B II.

Members of group 1 and 2 are ethnic Germans who will be used for the reconstruction in the East. The differentiation between group and 2 is important for the NSDAP, primarily only members of group 1 should be accepted in the party according to the instruction of the deputy of the Fuehrer.

Members of group 3 and 4,have to be educated as full Germans, that is, have to be regermanized in the course of time through an intensive educational training in old Germany.

The establishment of members of group 4 has to be based on the doctrine, that German blood must not be utilized in the interest of a foreign nation. Against those who refuse re-Germanization security police measures are to be taken. Children, who cannot be made responsible for the attitude of their parents, should not have to suffer because of the guilt of their parents. The German-Reich will take care of their education. Concerning that and the further treatment of renegades not included in the list of ethnic Germans the Chief of the Security Police and the SD will decree detailed regulations on the basis of instructions from the Reichsfuehrer SS and Reich Commissioner for the Strengthening of the National Character of the German People.

II Regulation concerning citizenships

a. Members of group 1 and 2 of the list of ethnic Germans will become German citizens and Reich citizens.

b. Members of group 3 of the list of ethnic Germans will become German citizens.

c. Members of group 4 of the list of ethnic Germans will become German citizens until recalled and also those foreign nationals recognized as suitable for Germanization. (Individual Ukrainians, great Russians, White Russians, Czechs, Lithuanians).

d. All other foreign nationals are wards of the German Reich with restricted civil rights.

III Screening of the Polish Population

The screening of the Polish population and the selection of those wards eligible for Germanization will be handled by the central resettlement office (Umwanderungszentralstellen). The examination will be carried out on the basis of race, health, and political attitude. The Reichsfuehrer SS and Reichs-Commissioner for the Strengthening of the National Character of the German People will issue detailed directives for the execution of this order.

Signed: H. Himmler
People of non-German descent [or where German blood has not prevailed] were not be Germanized.

Poles were still classified as Aryans and put into "Aryan side" of the ghettos they were allocated in but they were never to be Germanized. Poles still could be citizens of the state though:

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Aryan is thus the one man who looked free from, the German people, strange racial impact is blood. Deemed to be a stranger here, especially the blood of the living room and in the European settlement of Jews and Gypsies, the Asian and African breeds, and the aborigines of Australia and America (Indians), while, for example, a Swede or an Englishman, a Frenchman or Czech, a Pole or Italian, if he is free of such, even that is foreign blood strikes, when used, must therefore be considered severally liable, he may now live in his home, in East Asia or in America or he likes a U.S. citizen or a South American Free State be.

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Hitler was very vague on his opinions on the Slavs as a whole and it varied from group to group....
Exactly what I've been saying. There are really two considerations here, race and politics. The political consideration is Pan-Slavism. The endeavor of Pan-Slavism was to make all the Slavic-speaking peoples into a political unity, voluntarily submitting to Russian hegemony even though they were racially very different. (Polish nationalism did the same thing on a smaller scale, trying to make Cassubians and other distinct ethnic groups, including ethnic Germans in Poland, think of themselves as Poles.) Before one could deal with Slavs as different peoples with different merits, one had to destroy the Pan-Slavic idea that united them.

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... but there is no secret he despised the Russians for giving way to the Jewish Bolsheviks and described Russians as an inferior race in Mein Kampf:
And that was 1925. Hitler's thinking cannot be assumed to have continued exactly the same until 20 years later. Changes in his thinking about certain Slavic nations are apparent in the Table Talk. Also, I don't think he called the Russians as such a race. He was always open to the possibility that some large or small element of a Slavic people might actually be of Germanic race or suitable for Germanization.

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Exactly what I've been saying. There are really two considerations here, race and politics. The political consideration is Pan-Slavism. The endeavor of Pan-Slavism was to make all the Slavic-speaking peoples into a political unity, voluntarily submitting to Russian hegemony even though they were racially very different. (Polish nationalism did the same thing on a smaller scale, trying to make Cassubians and other distinct ethnic groups, including ethnic Germans in Poland, think of themselves as Poles.) Before one could deal with Slavs as different peoples with different merits, one had to destroy the Pan-Slavic idea that united them.
The National Socialists never described Slavs as a race. The main thing that set off the somewhat anti-Slavic statements Hitler made was his early years in Vienna, he became a strong pan-German nationalist, just look at what he says in Mein Kampf:

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I was repelled by the conglomeration of races which the capital showed me, repelled by this whole mixture of Czechs, Poles, Hungarians, Ruthenians, Serbs, and Croats, and everywhere, the eternal mushroom of humanity-Jews and more Jews.
It was just the battle between pan-Slavic and pan-German but more so pan-Germanic (more loosely).

The problem is people try and compare Hitler's wordings to current day now when things were a lot different back then and what people fail to realise is that the German nationalists of Hitler's era were more than often against anybody who was not an ethnic German, not just Slavs.

Racially there is no difference between any Slavic ethnic group and any Germanic group and under the NS laws the Slavs were regarded by the law as equally racial as the Germans.

But Hitler did view them as inferior to the Germans, more culturally than anything else (see his speech about Poland after the invasion for example - http://www.hitler.org/speeches/09-13-39.html).

If we are to accept the Hitler's Table Talks as genuine then he also described the lower English class as racially inferior too.

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And that was 1925. Hitler's thinking cannot be assumed to have continued exactly the same until 20 years later. Changes in his thinking about certain Slavic nations are apparent in the Table Talk. Also, I don't think he called the Russians as such a race. He was always open to the possibility that some large or small element of a Slavic people might actually be of Germanic race or suitable for Germanization.
It appears Hitler never really changed his thoughts regarding Russians, he often spoke about the invasion of the Soviet Union as being a war of racial differences as well as political.

Not also to forget, some Allies of Germany in WWII were Slavic such as Croatia and Slovakia.

He viewed the Russia's works as the work of the Russian people of German descent, he mostly certainly did view them as racially inferior, read:

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For the organization of a Russian state formation was not the result of the political abilities of the Slavs in Russia, but only a wonderful example of the state-forming efficacity of the German element in an inferior race.
Nothing difficult about understand that... he viewed the Russians as racially inferior Slavs compared to the Germans.
 
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Reich Citizenship was only open to people of racially related blood, this included Slavs (Poles are used as the example), see:

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A member of any minority group demonstrates his ability to serve the German Reich when, without surrendering membership in his own specific Volk group, he loyally carries out his civil duties to the Reich, such as service in the armed forces, etc. Reich citizenship is, therefore, open to racially related groups living in Germany, such as Poles, Danes, and others. It is an altogether different matter with German nationals of alien blood and race. They do not fulfill the blood prerequisites for Reich citizenship. The Jews, who constitute an alien body among all European peoples, are especially characterized by racial foreignness. Jews, therefore, cannot be seen as being fit for service to the German Volk and Reich. Hence, they must necessarily remain excluded from Reich citizenship.
The anti-Slav view by Himmler was more to do with Germanic-Nordic supremacy rather than 'Aryan' supremacy, I've not seen any sort of proof that he did not view them as Aryans too since he even called the Russians as Aryans.
 
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I do not believe in hitlers aryan race. There is only one white european race, all white europeans are all linked. The fact is, hitlers aryan race theory has destroyed the white race by leading all europeans that there is a super aryan european race and that those special aryan europeans should alienate those inferior europeans. Plus, it gave the jews the power to flood all white countries with 3rd world trash.

What i believe in, is that hitler was a mastermind that worked out the international zog jewish plans for the white people and the world. Only he truly knew how evil this zog globalisation will be for whites.
 
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I do not believe in hitlers aryan race. There is only one white european race, all white europeans are all linked. The fact is, hitlers aryan race theory has destroyed the white race by leading all europeans that there is a super aryan european race and that those special aryan europeans should alienate those inferior europeans. Plus, it gave the jews the power to flood all white countries with 3rd world trash.

What i believe in, is that hitler was a mastermind that worked out the international zog jewish plans for the white people and the world. Only he truly knew how evil this zog globalisation will be for whites.
Hitler's theory of the Aryan race was Europeans:

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In my Reichstag speech of September 1, 1939, I have spoken of two things: first, that now that the war has been forced upon us, no array of weapons and no passage of time will bring us to defeat, and second, that if Jewry should plot another world war in order to exterminate the Aryan peoples of Europe, it would not be the Aryan peoples which would be exterminated, but Jewry … At one time the Jews of Germany laughed about my prophecies. I do not know whether they are still laughing or whether they have already lost all desire to laugh. But right now I can only repeat: they will stop laughing everywhere and I shall be right also in that prophecy
 
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Just a JIDF troll and/or race traitor shabbos goy stooge attempting to foster division among Whites. Yawn. Nothing to see here. Even if the troll is Slavic, 99.999999% of Slavs would disagree with his viewpoints anyway.
Seems to be a lot of those on all the forums to try to change peoples mind abput Hitler.

Tgey wont change mine. I know he was the 2nd coming of christ gere to save us from the sos.
 
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So?

Extermination war was the norm, Britain starved Germany to death during WWI. Also, for centures prior to WWII, the slavs killed, deported and enforced their language into other european and non-european ethnicities.

Contrary to popular belief, Russians supported bolshevism en masse and established many corrosive parties and groups around the world, this also happened in Germany where Russians sent many violent communist-bolshevik agitatiors, hell, even a Soviet-like Republic was established in Bavaria, just like "Kaliningrad" nowadays. Do you think nationalist germans appreciated/appreciate that?

In the end, General Plan Ost wasn't fulfilled (thankfully), but the deportation and killing of 14 millon of germans from their ancestral home in central and eastern Europe did happen, which proves that the slavs-russians are as capable of genociding other whites peoples (as in ukraine 2016) as were the nazis.
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