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Old January 19th, 2011 #61
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Benny Hinn was on Larry King about ten years ago. King called Hinn "Benny Hill"- King managed to keep a straight face.

So which way does causality flow? Is the problem the religion, or the people? What if the median IQ how christians suddenly became 130? What then would follow?
Heh. . .it'd be just like the "Rapture." All the True Believers would suddenly dissappear. . .save for the extreme left side of the bell curve. The real question is, what would all those scumbag preachers who actually know better now do?! Starve?
 
Old January 19th, 2011 #62
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This is my experience. I had the relative good fortune to grow up Presbyterian in a majority nigger area with the minority of Whites almost all Baptists, or devolutions therefrom, and lower level Methodists. A pretty common situation/ratio in much of the South.

This isn't to imply that Presbyterianism is better than the others--it isn't--but compared to white trash Baptist culture it looks like the Vatican. And it's not even a "high church" denomination like Lutheranism or Episcopalianism. That gap is therefore a function of just how low Baptist culture is generally.

So I was conscious growing up of, somehow, being an "outsider," though I didn't really dwell on it. Hard to explain. If I had grown up where Presbyterians are a majority--or heavily represented (maybe the 100 mile radius of Charlotte, for instance)--I wouldn't have had this experience. Or if I'd grown up in a religiously diverse setting--any city, maybe--it would have been different.

The good fortune (I'm straining here to make lemonade out of lemons) is that my position enabled me to see a lot of this shit for what it is. Would I have been able to do this raised a Baptist? Doubtful.

I used to wonder in school why the majority (of we minority) of Whites didn't do well in their studies. It seemed that they could have done much better, but didn't. It was only as I got older that it dawned on me that they actually de-value learning. They're not just "lazy" or preoccupied with other pursuits. They, literally, look down upon education and the educated--no matter how much they protest otherwise.

Baptist "thought" in action:

Many Baptists believe Presbyterians are "just like the Catholics" because they recite the Apostle's Creed. In the creed is a line about. . ."I believe in. . .the holy catholic church."

So to a Baptist, this means that Presbyterians=Roman Catholics.

You cannot work with any person who thinks in this way.

Notice I didn't say ". . .who thinks this specific thing." Individual errors can be corrected, if the error-ee is inclined to the truth.

But low-level Whites aren't inclined to the truth, in anything. They tend to be willful, bigoty, idiots. You said it terrifically a while back. . .Southern shitheads.

And it's not just that they are anti-"intellectualism." They joy in laying each other low, in the misfortune of one another. It's an emotion I have never, ever, felt. I think the German term is "schadenfraud." I've probably butchered the spelling. It's not a concept we have in English--but we sure as fuck have the reality of it.

It's but one step away from how niggers invariably drag-down one of their own who "makes it." Nobody hates a successful nigger more than other niggers. I've seen this time and time again. So it is with white trash, on a marginally more civilized level. They don't build up. Southern culture is one step away from what you see in the English underclass, only the English underclass has more guile.

They also glory in sickness. It's some sort of badge of honor to them. They won't speak to you for years. . look away, scared to talk, etc. But when one of them gets cancer you can't fucking get them away, they're your best friend and want to tell you every detail of every hair that falls out, grinning all along. They're proud of it! They have a fuzzy idea that illness is somehow a good thing, even though they're always bitching about their poor health. And in 90%+ of cases, their ill health is brought on by their own atrocious lifestyles. The worst food. . .sedentary. . .also I think the mental stress of living a double/triple life, since almost all of them are angle shooters/petty criminals, their idea of being "smart," while they simultaneously proffer a "sanctified" facade.

And because they tend toward petty lying and criminality, you can't (if you're half-way honest) deal with them at all. Any points you make in a conversation you try to broach is treated as if you were lying--because that's what they do! The ones who are holier than thou--who claim to constantly read the bible--have the absolute worst vocabularies. They get upset if you use three syllable words. They think you're "arrogant" or trying to make them feel stupid.

If you dress well and speak well, you're a faggot to a Baptist/Pentecostal. Plain and simple. Seen it too many times, including my own treatment. If you go to one of their churches with--not even a suit, just a sportcoat, tie, and dockers (more my style)--you're "uppity" or some such shit, unless you're the lunatic leading the service. Otherwise, you're trying "to show off" or "to be better than them." You cannot work with people who think this way.

Their standard behavior is:

a) fuck something up, due to willful ignorance or incompetence;
b) lie about it, usually by blaming their victim;
c) grin.

In the past, I've seen WN refer to the film "High Plains Drifter" as an example of how jews manipulate opinion against small town White life. I don't think so. That film is a case study on how low-life Baptists, et al. behave. To a T.

What really kills you, though, is that their scummy behavior is erratic. Hard to explain. . .

It's like this: If I were dealing with a bunch of jews. . .or Indians (dot). . .or Chinese. . .I would expect to be screwed. But I would expect the angles they'd shoot to be logical. . .to actually benefit them vis-a-vis me in a tangible, substantive way. And I would expect them to be honorable in all situations where there were not some substantive threshhold level of benefit for them to screw me. I wouldn't like it, but I could defend against it. I could logically recognize that in X situation, this guy has the opportunity to fuck me in Y way. Therefore, I can defend against this by doing Z.

You can't do this with White trash because they fuck themselves at the same time they fuck you. They literally screw themselves, so it's impossible to deal with them. Little stuff, big stuff. By intent and by stupidity. 9 am, 3 pm. It's a fucking nightmare. It's exhausting.

Anybody who pumps some sort of White "unity" bullshit, while perhaps well-intentioned, is living in fantasyland. Most of these people really could be better under different conditions. But they aren't in those conditions. You're talking a multi-generational remediation project to remedy a multi-multi-multi generational set of cultural mistakes, of which their christ-cult is at the center.

A better plan, ie, a plan with a non-zero probability of success, is to lead them and let them follow you, since ass-kissing is their forte. And never confuse them for even True Believers, since they're, generally, unprincipled scum.
That's some great sociology there, Leonard. I'm going to copy this into our Whiteness studies forum. This will be a great bookend to the observations I'm going to make about high-end white trash, namely my dead former college president.
 
Old January 19th, 2011 #63
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Leonard Rouse, reading your post reminded me of something I have noticed over and over when dealing with baptist type Christ-culties. That is the almost certainty of them trying to screw you over in any business transaction and then when you call them out on it their pious remorse and repenting to Jeesus, followed by their astonishment that you no longer trust them. It is as if they think their membership in their cult gives them a license to lie, steal, and cheat and all will be made right with a bit of prayer to Jesus, their sins washed away and their innocence restored.

I have learned this lesson the hard way. Actually my Dad tried to teach it to me when I was young, but me being me I had to relearn it the hard way. But I've learned it well, at the first bit of talk about Jesus and "scripture" I check my wallet and look around to inventory the location of various pieces of my property. And then I wait for the scam fast talk to begin.

My father was a tough old cattle rancher who built his place with lots of hard work; his own, my mother's, and mine and my brothers'. He didn't have a lot of time for the finer things in life but he was no rube either. He was well read and had a way of breaking problems down to basics and solving them rationally and efficiently. He wouldn't allow a bible in his house. I was a young adult in the army the first time I ever had one in my hands. I remember one time a traveling bible peddler showed up out at the ranch. I was maybe 8 or 9 years old. The peddler started giving my mother a sales pitch for some religious books for children. She was almost going for it until the Old Man showed up. The peddler started extolling the virtues of his bible based kiddie books and waved his hand around the room at all the comic books laying everywhere and asked the Ol' Man which he would rather have his kids reading. Dad replied that he would stick with the comic books because we were sure to read them and he seriously doubted if we would do the same with the xtian books, and that his main goal was to get us to read. He escorted the peddler to the door and we were never pestered by him again.

Growing up out on the ranch we never had electricity, so no TV. Everyone read. Dinners were long drawn out affairs where everyone talked about the day and sometimes my mother or father would tell stories about their youth or people they had known. After dinner everyone kicked back with a book until bedtime. My brothers and I had encyclopedias and such, books by Mark Twain, Grimm's Fairy Tales, cowboy books by guys like Will James, the frontier series by Joseph Altsheler, books represented the world beyond the ranch and we were encouraged to read them. We did. It was a good way to grow up. No Jeebus at all.
 
Old January 19th, 2011 #64
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Exactly, Christianity is full of ambiguous double speak. That is why every Christian believes their brand of Christianity is the true Christianity.
Yep. That's what it an utter waste of time to argue with them. All you do is go round about who's the real christian. It's crazy-making. It's never the thing itself that's the problem, just X, Y and Z who are following the wrong interpretation. It's very easy to see why whites killed themselves by the million over that shit, they really get het up about it. It truly is difficult to see how such an exceptionally stupid thing as christ-insanity could have such a hold over the minds of morons.
 
Old January 19th, 2011 #65
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That's some great sociology there, Leonard. I'm going to copy this into our Whiteness studies forum. This will be a great bookend to the observations I'm going to make about high-end white trash, namely my dead former college president.
OK. I wish I'd made Apostles' Creed plural possessive in my post. lol

Yeah. . .white trash is real. And it has nothing intrinsically to do with money, contrary to what both the low-levels (that I spotlighted above) and the higher levels (who imagine they're not white trash because they have a few extra zogbucks in their pocket--usually courtesy of brown-nosing) think.

I have some experiences with diploma mill administration/faculty, too. I'm looking forward to reading yours.
 
Old January 19th, 2011 #66
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The anti-intellectual culture created by the christ-cult is a very large part of the reason hyper-intellectual jews so easily dominate Aryan-majority societies.
Two observations:

1)

When I first read Frank Hebert's Dune, I thought he must have gotten the idea for the Bene Gesserit's "Missionaria Protectiva" from Christian (ie, European) society.

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The Bene Gesserit practice "religious engineering" through a faction called the Missionaria Protectiva, which spreads "infectious superstitions on primitive worlds, thus opening those regions to exploitation by the Bene Gesserit."[13]
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Revilo Oliver (and others) might say the analogy is to jews. IIRC, he floated the idea that Christianity was, from its beginning, jewish psycho-warfare against gentiles, ala what we see in jewish controlled media from the late-19th century thru today.

I'm not sold on that line, though I think it has more merit than I used to think. I suspect Herbert had Rome's evangelization of "heathen" Europe in mind.

But, regardless of the front-end shenanigans, here on the back-end jews fit the analogy perfectly regarding exploitation-via-meme.

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What kills me is that when you strip-out all the White idiots. . .strip-out even the huge White "middle" who just go-along/get-along. . .and line up the Whites who are inherently sharp enough/smart enough/savvy enough with their jewish similars. . .the White numbers dominate jewish numbers, just because there are so many more Whites than kikes. The relatively small percentage of White sharps within our own population to the relatively high percentage (as if they'd been bred that way) within the jew population doesn't play in a direct comparison. We have the numbers. So there's something else besides intelligence. It's like we have all the chemical components to coalesce into some kind of molecule, but there's a bond won't form. Or something.
 
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The anti-intellectual culture created by the christ-cult is a very large part of the reason hyper-intellectual jews so easily dominate Aryan-majority societies.
It's probably silly, but that's one reason I've started a "People Watching" thread in (I think) the Lounge.

It's actually not to spotlight my neurotic psyche. It's hopefully to prod others into paying attention to their own surroundings. The majority of Jews seem to do this naturally. A minority of Whites do it naturally. A majority of Whites think ignorance is a virtue.

And frankly, I've never found anything more entertaining than watching other people.

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=122082
 
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I'm not sold on that line, though I think it has more merit than I used to think. I suspect Herbert had Rome's evangelization of "heathen" Europe in mind.
I don't reject it out of hand, but I don't really believe it. I think there are easier ways to explain it. It's a way to give the loser half the population some cheap dreams and way of explaining their inferiority to the smart goodlooking ones.

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But, regardless of the front-end shenanigans, here on the back-end jews fit the analogy perfectly regarding exploitation-via-meme.

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What kills me is that when you strip-out all the White idiots. . .strip-out even the huge White "middle" who just go-along/get-along. . .and line up the Whites who are inherently sharp enough/smart enough/savvy enough with their jewish similars. . .the White numbers dominate jewish numbers, just because there are so many more Whites than kikes. The relatively small percentage of White sharps within our own population to the relatively high percentage (as if they'd been bred that way) within the jew population doesn't play in a direct comparison. We have the numbers. So there's something else besides intelligence. It's like we have all the chemical components to coalesce into some kind of molecule, but there's a bond won't form. Or something.
Yeah. Northern whites are inherently pricklier, they need physical and psychic distance from one another to function properly. That's neither good nor bad, it is just is. It becomes an exploitable weakness in the face of ethnic groups built for gang warfare. Whites can make war as a group project, and do it better than any other group, but group warfare is not their default setting - individual oneupsmanship seems to be.
 
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Even the very smart can be thought-controlled. Raw IQ is not the antidote- the antidote is simple, accurate information. Information that is severely suppressed.

Job number one is busting up the information monopoly.
 
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Benny Hinn was on Larry King about ten years ago. King called Hinn "Benny Hill"- King managed to keep a straight face.

So which way does causality flow? Is the problem the religion, or the people? What if the median IQ how christians suddenly became 130? What then would follow?
Fewer of them would be religious, the ones that remained would be less fervent, and the religious ceremonies would be more refined, cerebral and tasteful and less like Jesus-flavored pro wrestling.

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Fewer of them would be religious, the ones that remained would be less fervent, and the religious ceremonies would be more refined, cerebral and tasteful and less like Jesus-flavored pro wrestling.
Wow, a demand curve shift. Less WWF/E Christianity consumption at the lower end IQ point.
 
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Even the very smart can be thought-controlled. Raw IQ is not the antidote- the antidote is simple, accurate information. Information that is severely suppressed.

Job number one is busting up the information monopoly.
Religion is more of a functional thing than intellectual. Even smart people need to fit in, and need ways of interacting with others. The problem is that only christ-insanity offers these things. It doesn't seem like society can really run off multiple operating systems at once, it has to go one way or another. What NS showed is that something NOT directly religious can fill the same functions religions do even better, and with more popularity and responsibility.
 
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Wow, a demand curve shift. Less WWF/E Christianity consumption at the lower end IQ point.
how many 130 iqs in a southern baptist meeting? how many in an episcopalian church? these folks belong to the same religion in name, but different religion in practice. the episcopalian crowd looks down its nose at the southern baptists, and will discriminate against and mock them at every turn.
 
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No, Mr Baldy, actually those numbers come from various surveys done by think-tanks, polling organizations and organizations that maintain religious databases. They're pretty accurate.

That doesn't mean that all those people actually show up to a building to worship a god or group of gods. It's just what people consider themselves. For example, you can be a mass murderer sitting on death row and call yourself a Christian.



Yeah, I agree with that, to some degree, but not totally.

Why aren't we able to ridicule faggotry out of existence? What's more ridiculous than confusing an asshole with a vagina? Why can't we ridicule support for Israel out of existence? Why can't we ridicule Affirmative Action out of existence?

Clearly, there's more to it.

What makes something like white racialism open to public ridicule, but the wisdom of trying to send low-IQ niggers to college is not even open for discussion?

Some ideas seem to withstand ridicule or have a teflon coating on them. Why is that I wonder?
I'm pretty darn sure the numbers are drawn in most part from birth/baptismal records. If they ain't, they should be. Where does a bubba sign up for a think tank, anyway?

If I were doing the study, I would rather rely on stats than opinions/surveys. Very few people in a heavily slanted religious community would admit to non-belief in private or public. I was fired from two jobs for not celebrating Christmas, so I know first hand.

Beliefs are hard to kill any way. The best way to quiet a belief is lynching. The second best way is prison. Third is public humiliation ala Canada or jewed.

We should be thankful for that quirk in society. Otherwise, righteous racism would've died in 1865.
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Jesus apparently predicted a 2nd century AD second coming (see Matthew 24, Mark 13). His supposed death and resurrection was originally supposed to be a foreshadowing of an imminent general resurrection of Christian believers. Yet Christianity has survived nearly two thousand years since Jesus' prophecies expired.
 
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