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Old May 5th, 2014 #21
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Our Sabbatical
May 2, 2014 in Commentary

Heimbach and I have, in accordance with the request of our priest, chosen to take a sabbatical from the project. We don’t know how long it will be, anywhere from a few days to permanent, depending on how things play out. What does a man do when his championship of Authority and Tradition results in his traditional authority prohibiting his life’s work immediately and without warning? It’s a profound riddle, one we’ll be digesting during our ongoing discourse with the Church. [it's hardly profound, you're simply knuckling under to anti-white jebus idiots. but yeah, it was totally unpredictable it would come to this, you had it all worked out, remember?]

I’m disappointed to the brink of illness, as my conviction remains that my White American people do have a right to exist. I don’t believe that my people are uniquely undeserving among all the world’s people of advocacy and stewardship. I believe that the Holy Tradition of the Church is on our side. I believe that those who insist that Christianity is integrally anti-White will be proven wrong in due time. [you have no basis other than wacky, irrational faith for believing that]

This is not our project, alone. It’s not our place to “shut it down” or “turn off comments”. To do so would be to sabotage the work of others. We are going to humble ourselves to pastoral guidance, affording them the time they need to fully digest what exactly we are and what exactly we stand for. We are going to humble ourselves to their guidance and wisdom, approaching the dialogue with open hearts and minds. [is your humility and withdrawal "good for whites"? did you even consider what's good for whites when you decided to withdraw - or when you decided to join the jebus cult? ... so this church isn't even neutral, it's overtly and actively anti-white...but clever you can bring it around. that certainly sounds like a good use of your time, letting a semitic cult knock you not only off your agenda but out of the game entirely.]

http://www.tradyouth.org/2014/05/our...ical/#comments

Even the smartest among us think they can believe contradictory things without consequences. Notice that.

Here's the bottom line: Parrott and Heimbach must decide whether they are white men or christians. If their answer is both, then they have chosen christianity, whether they understand that or not.
 
Old May 5th, 2014 #22
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Ok...I remember those guys. Black rose or something? I think Bill White was involved with them.

Stevens' writing is basically a noise or smoke machine, it just confuses things. No one could retain that dopey a faith in conservatism at this point was my initial thought, it must be a screen for something. Perhaps not. But dismissible either way.
I've seen Brett around for a while, It's not a screen. He objectively observes that society is a degenerate shithole, but isn't personally effected by it enough to (legitimately) stand out from the crowd and weather the storm. He's more concerned with urban tribes and banging goth girls than he is with actually changing the world. The Alt-Right is full of worldly assholes, often times more cosmopolitan and bourgeois than average, who will always fail thanks to being spiritual women. All they do is drone on about Nietszche over Thai food and squawk like hens about men that are serious.

The problem is, people like him end up passing through serious groups and bringing them down to their level.

Millenial "racialists"/third positionists are split 75-25 between those that just want to be superficially unique (without the social consequences of being a radical) and those who are serious about saving their race.

With that said, Matt Heimbach goes in the latter category, he's very serious. Tradyouth is not an Alt-Right project at all, in fact Alt-Rightists attack its Christianity as much as you do. The situation they're going through right now is a lot more complex than meets the eye, I can guarantee you that they are not going to permanently drop out. At least not Heimbach.
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Old May 5th, 2014 #23
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A sneak peak at Excalibur! Orthodox Nationalist journal coming soon!

When we salute each other with the sign of the cross, you sign the cross and keep your fingers together thrusting them in the air like with the Roman salute. However, keep in mind we are not actually saluting each other but the icon of Christ that is within us, as Christ is the only one who is truly capable of leading our movement. When we are blessed with the Guidance of a sympathetic Father we will be able to combat the modern heresies from the modernist Vatican II Catholics to the liberalized Protestants and everything in between, the fight starts now but nevertheless we will need the prayers and mentor-ship from a Church Father and we will find that support through our own piety and devotion to our Church and we will show the rest of the world that our way works. Prayer and Piety is our ethos. But we must not forget what the ultimate goal is; preservation and defense of the One Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church and then our race

When the economic and ecological realities come crashing down on America we will drag the world’s economy with us especially as we are looming over WWIII. Nihilism is and will continue to wrap around the people’s neck like the Serpent in the Garden and when this all breaks down people will be given a single choice and that choice is Christ is or chaos. Those who chose the former will remember their folk and faith and return lock-step to their tribe and Heavenly Savior, those who chose the latter will be smothered beneath our jackboots as they will certainly attempt to deliver a coup-d-grace on all that is Holy. May the Lord forbid us needing to rise in arms but we will defend what is Holy; what is Holy? What is for Jesus Christ of course! We will raise arms if we are pushed to the that point. The Faith is aggressively attacked in the media and schools be it the banning of prayer to television about sixteen year old mothers, LGBT activists, or even the humor of Family Guy that has blatantly taken jabs at our Faith. Our patience is coming to an end and it will boil over.

The Faithful who wish to remain in prayer are more then encouraged to do so, we could learn from them ourselves but there has to be those willing to fight to protect the Church, the Fathers, the Brothers, and the Sisters. When the collapse of the Babylonian USA is at hand we may even have to go far as to establish small nation states organized according to the organization of the various Orthodox Diocese be they OCA, ROCOR, or HOCNA until a permanent homeland can be found where we can live in our own racial tribes yet be united in communion and mutual food production and armed defense this way we can preserve our own ethnic peculiarities and identity’s that were given to us by the Lord’s will and keep the overall community of the Faithful alive. When America comes toppling down we will do what we can to feed the hungry, give water to the thirsty, and clothe the naked but we will also do whatever it takes to defend ourselves and our community. Orthodoxy or Death.

http://www.tradyouth.org/forums/topi...ave-this-here/

[is it unfair to describe the above as insane? yet Parrott believes it is compelling. the power of the Parrott compels you!]
 
Old May 5th, 2014 #24
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I've seen Brett around for a while, It's not a screen. He objectively observes that society is a degenerate shithole, but isn't personally effected by it enough to (legitimately) stand out from the crowd and weather the storm.
That's what gives it that old-man return-to-the-fifties feel that had me confused about his age.

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He's more concerned with urban tribes and banging goth girls than he is with actually changing the world. The Alt-Right is full of worldly assholes, often times more cosmopolitan and bourgeois than average, who will always fail thanks to being spiritual women. All they do is drone on about Nietszche over Thai food and squawk like hens about men that are serious.

The problem is, people like him end up passing through serious groups and bringing them down to their level.

Millenial "racialists"/third positionists are split 75-25 between those that just want to be superficially unique (without the social consequences of being a radical) and those who are serious about saving their race.

With that said, Matt Heimbach goes in the latter category, he's very serious. Tradyouth is not an Alt-Right project at all, in fact Alt-Rightists attack its Christianity as much as you do. The situation they're going through right now is a lot more complex than meets the eye, I can guarantee you that they are not going to permanently drop out. At least not Heimbach.
That they would drop out even temporarily shows deep confusion - at the least.

Parrott, like all smart guys, thinks he's smarter than everyone else. He can't accept the simple truth: you can't serve Jebus McGodson AND the white race. Pick a master and go with it.

Parrott got glibsmacked, so to speak, and it will be telling how he responds, after he rethinks his first response - and false one - to bow to the wishes of the chief primate or whatever the ortho-dope he knuckled under to is called.
 
Old May 6th, 2014 #25
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For our side, the problem was, is, and remains, there is no agreement on who "we" are. This Parrott/Heimbach imbroglio is the perfect example. Are they fucking jebus nuts or White men?

You can't be both.

That's the bottom line.

I will say it till I'm blue in the face. Maybe someone will grasp it at some point.

The two worldviews are mutually opposed and irreconcilably hostile.

It really is that simple.
Matt Parrott was looking for a shortcut. Find a church that's kind of WN, join it and use it to promote white interests. Whether he's sincere in his religion or not (I think not) that was his pro-white motive.

You're right though, Christianity is fundamentally opposed to WN. Only small cults like FLDS and CI are pro-white and they can only sustain that with extensive mods to the original document. If you take Christianity straight equality of souls leads to equality of races and race mixing. It's nothing new, either. South America is a continental testament to Catholicism's racial fail.

A lot of the strange alliances and partnerships that happen on a smaller scale in WN mirror Parrott's search for a shortcut. Join the Tea Party, support Ron Paul, even join the Jews to fight Islam. In the process the WN doesn't change anyone's mind, but they often change, or cover up their opinions to avoid trouble.

Defining the core of a WN platform is a good subject for a Hot Dog podcast.
 
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Defining the core of a WN platform is a good subject for a Hot Dog podcast.
I've already done this. Read the Strategy section. I outline Whites' best political approach, and I outline my idea of an all-white state, including the role of government.

WN is simply white racial defense. It aint going to solve your soul problems. That's a private matter. As for economics, the main things that need to be done are negative - STOP inflating/debasing/diluting the currency. STOP subsidizing defectives. Beyond that, if people can't make their own arrangements, they don't deserve to be called white men.

The little-man socialists who want wipe-your-ass government, they're just one more enemy.
 
Old May 6th, 2014 #27
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Matt Parrott was looking for a shortcut. Find a church that's kind of WN, join it and use it to promote white interests. Whether he's sincere in his religion or not (I think not) that was his pro-white motive.
He's trying to be clever, which is wrong. He's trying to be slick, which doesn't work. He's trying to use an institution that has just shown it's not willing to be used. What has occurred was 100% predictable.

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You're right though, Christianity is fundamentally opposed to WN. Only small cults like FLDS and CI are pro-white and they can only sustain that with extensive mods to the original document. If you take Christianity straight equality of souls leads to equality of races and race mixing. It's nothing new, either. South America is a continental testament to Catholicism's racial fail.
The problem here is summed up in the statement: "Eisenhower's not a communist, he's a golfer."

The point being, communism is as much a mental state or tendency as a political position. So it is with the distance between WN and christianites.

Just read, slowly, through the two well responded posts re the 'sabbatical.' Let the phrases and mindsets the christian antis use sink in. See...that shit is entirely a world unto itself. It has absolutely nothing to do with our cause. It is passive, pseudo-reflective, pseudo-philosophical, undynamic...and oriented toward literally another world. That the other world is imaginary doesn't matter - it's just a completely different way of living and thinking and breathing. It simply doesn't comport with our racial cause.

You have to be tone deaf not to pick this up, and many are tone deaf.

"I will pray for you." <-----------anti-white mentality

"I want you to know that I asked my good friend, a monk in Dinglestan, to remember you in his prayers." <--------------- anti-white mentality

The white mentality is this:

Life is good. Reality exists. Cause-and-effect are real. Ideas do have consequences. You can take action and produce outcomes.

Anything that makes passives out of active white men is bad.

Christianity is a terrible thing. It is the worst thing that ever happened to the white race.

Matt Parrott needs to grow up.

Heimbach, I don't know, but my gut instinct is that he is confused and hasn't thought these things fully through, probably because he's younger. Parrott I think sees the problem, but thinks he's smart enough and clever enough he can slick it.

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A lot of the strange alliances and partnerships that happen on a smaller scale in WN mirror Parrott's search for a shortcut. Join the Tea Party, support Ron Paul, even join the Jews to fight Islam. In the process the WN doesn't change anyone's mind, but they often change, or cover up their opinions to avoid trouble.
What you're saying comes out of the pandering democratic mentality. This is what I mean - any hard, disciplined core of people doesn't need alliances with these clown grouplets. They will drop what they're doing and join that hard force if it ever appears. So building it is job #1. There aren't any elements out there that are worth a damn at the moment. Not that I can see. Yes, the Cliven Bundy outcomes tests my implicit thesis. But on the whole, we can see, if the leftists can't, that the Tea Party types have been anti-racial from day one. It's far too late in the day to respect or have any use for that type.

Anyone on the internet can read what's going on around the world. I read yesterday that 53% of the white murders in SA (by blacks) involve the niggers torturing the whites to death. You think that won't happen here when whites are a minority and have macerated another 2-3 decades in amplifying anti-white hatred preached from all vectors today, when whites are still 70% or so? Anything that isn't overtly racial is silly and cowardly - Tea Party and LOS being typical examples.

Read Hitler and Goebbels at calvin.edu. Again, I point to the klang of their words. You can pick up a basic difference in seriousness between them and anything, anyone I've ever seen in the post-war Anglo world, excepting George Lincoln Rockwell.

When even the white nationalists so called are content with whingeing about insignificant local issues rather than directing their concerns at contesting for power in their own nation, then things have reached a low state. Every problem we have in the USA comes from the jews running the federal government. That's where the problem lies, hence where the focus must be.
 
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Excuse me is this is not the best spot to post a YouTube version of the movie Caesar's Messiah.

I watched it yesterday, and found it interesting. It presents Joseph Atwill's theory that Christianity was developed by the Flavian dynasty as a psychological weapon against messianic Jewry.

If Atwill's thesis is even partially correct, Parrott is going to have to get up much earlier each morning to out-slick the christ-hustlers.

Atwill's thesis is reinforced by an interpretation of the Gospels as a allegorical recounting of the military exploits of Titus Flavius.

 
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I've already done this. Read the Strategy section. I outline Whites' best political approach, and I outline my idea of an all-white state, including the role of government.
Quite a lot to read there, going to have to spend a few hours digesting it.

This thread goes after the root cause of the tradyouth meltdown.

Seeking systematic analyses of the destructive effects of christ-lunacy from a White racial perspective
 
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Quite a lot to read there, going to have to spend a few hours digesting it.

This thread goes after the root cause of the tradyouth meltdown.

Seeking systematic analyses of the destructive effects of christ-lunacy from a White racial perspective
Well, I'm embarrassed to admit I can't find my own solutions article. It's somewhere. I found the strategy though, it's in the strategy section.

I may just talk about this on the show, you're right. So much easier to talk than type.

My political strategy is this:

Identify jews as the main enemy - the leader of all the other enemies. Polarize public between whites and jews. Team White vs Team Jew. Win.

But first we become the dominant team appealing to white normals. We do that by not befriending the Fox conservatives but by ATTACKING THE CONSERVATIVES. In other words, precisely the opposite of what almost literally every other white analyst implicitly or explicitly advises us to do.

We simply take their market share away from them by sheer aggression. It can be done. But only by a force that is on the same page. We WN don't have that yet because we're all over the ballpark in terms of what we believe.

Make a hard right force, it will dominate the right. Then it can take on the jews.
 
Old May 6th, 2014 #31
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A thread you might not have seen, Sam.

http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t...ht=microstates

I have to find where I specifically wrote, most formally, about my idea of how the state should look after the revolution. Ideas for arranging an all-white society. My basic idea is: we need a monofunctional central government, concerned only with racial defense. The rest can be arranged by the population, which will set up sundry 'microstates' per its whims. The racial dictatorship will be absolute. Eerything else can be compromised.
 
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Window shopping a religion to be more fascist is lame. Tradyouth's Orthadoxy was so fake it was hard to believe it ever existed - and the results were predictable. Anyone who was a genuine NS was speaking out against this fiasco, though the ending was bizzare it is only the end of a long train wreak of constant embarassment

If you want to really know the truth you have to read this though. this bizzare text the 'protocols of the Knights of Avalonia' which is mailed in PDF to all prospective tradyouth members
http://avalonianknight.wordpress.com...ian-manifesto/
http://avalonianknight.wordpress.com/protocols/
It is a cross between a Northwest Novel and Dungeons and Dragons - a theocratic monarchy in the pacific northwest complete with noble titles and an official oath. I think you have to provide your own dice and character sheet.

I knew a bunch of people in this so if you want to ask anything I could try and dig up - just to be productive, (I think this is a learning experience).
 
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A major dimension of the problem is that these ''alternative right'' type of subcultures are basically totally and completely tone deaf about American culture and its political heritage. This really jumped out at me when I noticed people like Spencer and Johnson discussing the ''Third Position'' as if this had any currency whatsoever in America - it doesn't. Its something that only made/makes contextual sense in late-Cold War Europe when neo-Fascist types like the UK National Front (inspired in part by people affiliated with GRECE etc.) began to discern that the ongoing failure of the Stalinist garrison states in the East coupled with the post-68 ascendancy of Jewish ideological paradigms to a position of absolute hegemony in American intellectual and policy corridors, was creating conditions by which Europeans would be charged with forging a truly independent political culture or they would perish severally as culturally/politically/socially sovereign entities.

In contrast, Kevin MacDonald and Matt Parrot talking about the ''Third Position'' in 2012 Kentucky would make about as much contextual sense as declaring solidarity with the King of England and demanding that Americans cease and desist from refusing to abide his sovereign dominion.

Mind you, Fascist and NS ideas are fundamentally important as historical phenomena - and in the proverbial battleground of ideas, it is important to rehabilitate these things so as they cease to be vilified and employed to buttress a basically theological narrative of Jewish supremacy/martyrdom cloaked in a secular moralism of ''Progress'' which underlies the post-Nuremberg political-ethical orientation of (what was formerly) ''the West''. But this of course does not mean that these things have any immediate present-day relevancy, especially in America.

These people are hobbyists who are attracted to obscure things - they like to pose as the standard bearers of something ''edgy''.

There is in fact a radically nationalist historical tendency in America and it was explicitly a racialist tendency - but its highly unique and has nothing really in common with various European ideologies, reactionary or socialistic. In fact, American racialism was and is always at basic odds in many ways with the ideas that ultimately came to ossify into European Fascism.

If and when (and its possible) that a White radical type of political movement emerges in America it will take the form of what's uniquely precedented here in part but will likely be something that hasn't been seen before in additional respects. One thing that is certain is that it will not entail bearded Orthodox acolytes, Fascist ideologies, or ''neo paganism'' or any such thing.
 
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It is a cross between a Northwest Novel and Dungeons and Dragons - a theocratic monarchy in the pacific northwest complete with noble titles and an official oath. I think you have to provide your own dice and character sheet.
Their dragon fu was not strong. Parrott shall never be a Fancy Man of Portland.
 
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The racial dictatorship will be absolute. Eerything else can be compromised.
That was a component of the great debate between people like Kennan and Rothbard on one side and arch-Cold Warriors on the other. The origins of the state apparatus and its structure I mean.

Rothbard was correct in part that the Cold War was a prime example of mass-scale graft and military-industrial rent-seeking, Kennan wasn't totally wrong that it was a pretext for the Imperial Executive to assert itself.

At the same time, power-politics does entail a dimension unto itself.

Germany, for example, didn't create the Prussian state because they thought that in and of itself a government was a swell idea or that regulation was something that was inherently beneficial. They developed it because their neighbor to the East was transforming itself into a monstrous empire that was ultimately willing to annihilate ten million of its own people for political expediency.

The fact that competitor states are willing to implement total mobilization and create a concomitant balance of terror means that there's limited options for political order - the strategic landscape largely defines the internal structure of discrete political groupings/states, not vice versa; which incidentally is why ''democratic peace theory'' fails on prima facie terms but that is a digression.
 
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A thread you might not have seen, Sam.

http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t...ht=microstates
Thanks. Applying this analysis to Tradyouth and the White Network's failures works, now I see what you were getting at:

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Have you ever read personal ads on dating sites? I enjoy doing that, because I find the profiles funny. But one thing I've noticed that these people have in common. The reason they aren't happily matched or mated: their lack of focus. It is exactly the same with WN. It's vague. It's vague because even the leaders do not perceive the need to settle the "we" question. Instead they blithely proceed using this unclear antecedent as though the noun were self-evident. But it is not. And this is why the cause cannot develop.

Who is this "we"?

Until that is answered, there can't be any progress. And the proof is there hasn't been any progress. And to the extent the reason there hasn't been any progress is due to a factor other than enemy suppression, which is a huge yet underrated factor, it is not because WN dress/speak/behave wrongly, it is because they don't even know who they are - they don't even realize that they don't know, and that it's a problem.
Tanstaafl and Carolyn partnered up without answering that question, dooming their network from the start. Matt Parrott teamed up with Matt Heimbach and the Orthodox Church without vetting either to make sure "is it good for whites?" was their number one priority. That's quite an oversight. Anyone should have known how a fag marriage supporting priest was going to react when he discovered a WN in his flock.

If you're going to buy the opium of the masses it pays to know your dealer.
 
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A major dimension of the problem is that these ''alternative right'' type of subcultures are basically totally and completely tone deaf about American culture and its political heritage. This really jumped out at me when I noticed people like Spencer and Johnson discussing the ''Third Position'' as if this had any currency whatsoever in America - it doesn't. Its something that only made/makes contextual sense in late-Cold War Europe when neo-Fascist types like the UK National Front (inspired in part by people affiliated with GRECE etc.) began to discern that the ongoing failure of the Stalinist garrison states in the East coupled with the post-68 ascendancy of Jewish ideological paradigms to a position of absolute hegemony in American intellectual and policy corridors, was creating conditions by which Europeans would be charged with forging a truly independent political culture or they would perish severally as culturally/politically/socially sovereign entities.

In contrast, Kevin MacDonald and Matt Parrot talking about the ''Third Position'' in 2012 Kentucky would make about as much contextual sense as declaring solidarity with the King of England and demanding that Americans cease and desist from refusing to abide his sovereign dominion.

Mind you, Fascist and NS ideas are fundamentally important as historical phenomena - and in the proverbial battleground of ideas, it is important to rehabilitate these things so as they cease to be vilified and employed to buttress a basically theological narrative of Jewish supremacy/martyrdom cloaked in a secular moralism of ''Progress'' which underlies the post-Nuremberg political-ethical orientation of (what was formerly) ''the West''. But this of course does not mean that these things have any immediate present-day relevancy, especially in America.

These people are hobbyists who are attracted to obscure things - they like to pose as the standard bearers of something ''edgy''.

There is in fact a radically nationalist historical tendency in America and it was explicitly a racialist tendency - but its highly unique and has nothing really in common with various European ideologies, reactionary or socialistic. In fact, American racialism was and is always at basic odds in many ways with the ideas that ultimately came to ossify into European Fascism.

If and when (and its possible) that a White radical type of political movement emerges in America it will take the form of what's uniquely precedented here in part but will likely be something that hasn't been seen before in additional respects. One thing that is certain is that it will not entail bearded Orthodox acolytes, Fascist ideologies, or ''neo paganism'' or any such thing.
Whites don't agree on anything.

WN is critized because it's not a full-fledged position, which is true, but it's actually a strength. We don't need a radical makeover as a race, we simply need racial protection.

Whites aren't failing and aren't ever, anywhere, suicidal.

Let the losers who want socialism go their way, while the adults who want government off their back go theirs. Even the religious nuts can find a place to do their shitty thing.

All this is possible. People think only in terms of what has happened before, but that hardly exhausts the possibilities.

A monofunctional central government dedicated to racial defense, made serious by the provision for annual blood sacrifices on Thermopylae Day (April 20), is probably the best that can be devised.
 
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That was a component of the great debate between people like Kennan and Rothbard on one side and arch-Cold Warriors on the other. The origins of the state apparatus and its structure I mean.

Rothbard was correct in part that the Cold War was a prime example of mass-scale graft and military-industrial rent-seeking, Kennan wasn't totally wrong that it was a pretext for the Imperial Executive to assert itself.

At the same time, power-politics does entail a dimension unto itself.

Germany, for example, didn't create the Prussian state because they thought that in and of itself a government was a swell idea or that regulation was something that was inherently beneficial. They developed it because their neighbor to the East was transforming itself into a monstrous empire that was ultimately willing to annihilate ten million of its own people for political expediency.

The fact that competitor states are willing to implement total mobilization and create a concomitant balance of terror means that there's limited options for political order - the strategic landscape largely defines the internal structure of discrete political groupings/states, not vice versa; which incidentally is why ''democratic peace theory'' fails on prima facie terms but that is a digression.
The US isn't in Europe. Canadians are a bunch of losers. Mexicans are animals. A tent-pole continental government is all we need to keep those monkeys at bay. Then we have oceans. So we're only surrounded by assholes and animals on two sides.
 
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The US isn't in Europe. Canadians are a bunch of losers. Mexicans are animals. A tent-pole continental government is all we need to keep those monkeys at bay. Then we have oceans. So we're only surrounded by assholes and animals on two sides.
Well, ballistic rocketry and the splitting of the atom changed things.

It could be speculated that there's a strategic logic to Globalism that the Left tends to ignore (critics like Chomsky I mean) but that is an ever present if subtle pretext to Neo-Conservatism.

Something Curtis LeMay, Von Neumann, and some of the more zealous East Bloc military types all seemed to agree upon was that at some point, in the wake of some crisis, total nuclear war would become a reality so long as there remained a realizable objective in countervalue strikes - this of course creates exceptionally dangerous conditions that are rife for punctuated crises. And basically every decade this became a near-reality (1950, 1962, 1973, 1983).

When the Soviets unconditionally surrendered circa 1989, the utopianism of Anglo goys like Bush41 dovetailed very completely with the communistic orientation of men like Irving Kristol in the creation of conditions by which heavy interdependence between states in all meaningful economic and strategic theaters would essentially neutralize the utility of any state developing a countervalue military capability/strategy in the future as to do so would be self-defeating as it would annihilate ones' own essential infrastructure (human and material) now scattered across the planet.

The re-introduction of truly national states - or the restructuring of a state as a racial-defensive state would in essence re-introduce power political paradigms of a 20th century sort; and would revitalize the technologies that characterized strategic competition within those paradigms.

The last thing a New World ethnostate would need to worry about is Canadians and Wetbacks, sure - but oceans can be traversed in minutes by weapons that arrive from orbit etc.
 
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Well, I'm embarrassed to admit I can't find my own solutions article. It's somewhere. I found the strategy though, it's in the strategy section.

I may just talk about this on the show, you're right. So much easier to talk than type.
The show:
http://vanguardnewsnetwork.com/downl...-05-08-008.mp3

Great show. All of it outlined, goal, strategy and tactics.

And your chortling Limbaugh impression was priceless.
 
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