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He's a gray area. Parts of him are horrible, parts of him are solid. I wish White were all white but he's not. What I saw in him is a little something of what our cause needs to win. Very similar to Elisha Strom who also had a soupcon of sterling, but alloyed with the temperament of a coachwhip. Quote:
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No, I don't. I chalk it up to Lindstedt's usual hyperbole. I've grown accustomed to it.
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You started making by excuses for homosexuals; now you're making excuses for jew-exculpaters. I'm afraid this trail will end in the mouth of an alligator! Quote:
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Buchanan doesn't acknowledge us because we don't threaten his income. We exist to him as something he can steal occasional ideas from to preserve his position as the farthest right you can be while remaining respectable. What you and MacDonald can't figure out is that you'd make more inroads with his readers by attacking him, as I do, than defending him, or mentioning him with respect, as MacDonald does. That's an advanced lesson, and neither you nor he are to that level yet. But, and the reason i'm wasting time responding to you, is that you have indicated willingness to adjust your view based on facts, as you came around on the jew thing. In time you will see what I am saying. it might take five years. It might take ten. The reason i tell you is that a whole shark herd of us attacking him simultaneously would be a great force multiplier. It would polarize the spectrum in the public mind between whites and jews rather than conservagives and liberals, the two-party charade the Buchanans you think you should respect help maintain. As I say, this is an advanced lesson. Its truth will not be apparent to you for a few years. MacDonald will never grasp it. Quote:
To turn straight-serious, since you seem to prefer that, the way you win is to polarize. You polarize by vicious funny factual - whatever you got, use it, use it all and make more and throw it hard as you can - attacks on jews and liberals and conservatives including Buchanan and Taylor. You do this over and over and over and over, for years. You couple it with a white activist group. Not essay writers - hush crime spotlighters. They force their way into the mainstream, being utterly uncompromising. At the bottom of their agitation materials you promote your uncompromising hub website. Out of this a party grows. Vicious, complete hostility and nasty humor (and all the other good shit you can gin up), totally towing a racially correct line that We are Whites and Jews are the Enemy. Above all what must be done is make the public see first that the two sides doing battle are WHITES and jews. And second, that whites, sooner or later, are going to win - and they'd better get their ass on the winining side of it will go hard for them. That's how you do it. Quote:
Now, how do the MacDonalds recommend fighting back? Trick question. They don't. They recommend being polite. Overlooking homosexuality. Eschewing all humor save the limpdickiest like $PLC. These babes in the woods have no flipping idea what they're doing. Not the slightest. It's because they have pleasant, ingratiating, middle-class morals and manners, and don't want to consider that these aren't the things that can beat the enemy. Even when they analyze correctly, their implicit conservatism - desire for tastefullness and respectability - overwhelm the analytical conclusions they know to be right. That's the secret to the hold VNN has over them, why everything they do seems in response to a meme we've generated here. It's the cognitive dissonance generated by their knowing we, I, am right, but being unable to overcome their instinctual, emotional, limbic tropism to propriety. To say the least, the jews aren't burdened by this. They go for the jugular. They are the ones to watch, learn from, and emulate. Quote:
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His criticism seemed to be more of Judaism than of Jews as biological entities. You get the same sociological anti-Judaism from H.G. Wells and some other leftists. It's very convenient for people who are themselves of Jewish extraction.
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Instead of responding to Greg's substantial points, you made a personal attack. I suppose this would be consistent with your idea that civility and decency should be thrown out the window. You believe in winning, right? That involves hitting back at others with everything you got ... dirt included. Is this not your positon?
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Todd in FL was posting on VNN and making bombs. He was a real domestic terrorist. He attracted the attention of law enforcement agences to everyone who posts here by association. Then you have Rounder who is in the FBI domestic terrorism database. So, you have at least four individuals associated with domestic terrorism posting on VNN Forum including two known government informants, but you are worried about Greg Johnson writing essays. Hmm, apples and oranges, itz. Quote:
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Not so on the American Right. This is especially true on the far right. We have individualists fighting like piranhas to be the big fish in the small pool. The best example that comes to mind is the legal feud between Willis Carto and Mark Weber that destroyed Liberty Lobby and sapped IHR of needed funds. Quote:
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That's how I stumbled upon Stormfront. I was exposed to White Nationalism and the Jewish Question there in late 2001. I stayed around long enough to solidify my identity as a racialist. At first, I disputed the Jewish Question, but I was reasonable enough to research the matter on my own. My own research led me to where I am today. Quote:
I come from a leftwing background. I'm very critical of free market capitalism. I support many popular government social problems. I believe government can be a force for good. I think Americans are too individualistic; too absorbed in their own lives. I don't have a problem with homosexuals. I'm strongly pro-conservation and pro-environment. I'm strongly in favor of space exploration. I believe in reason, tolerance, and openmindedness. If non-Whites were eliminated from the equation, I would support "social justice." I'm also in favor of a more equitable distribution of wealth. Quote:
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On the contrary, most people seem to get defensive and react with hostility. It looks to me like you have only succeeded in isolating yourself from everyone else in the movement, which is a shame, because you are genuinely talented. Quote:
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1.) We can only win through incrementalism (gradually pushing our ideas into the mainstream). The Left has exploited the Overton Window with great success. 2.) In order to push our ideas into the mainstream, we need a chain of discursive spaces that are progressively more moderate, or more radical, depending on which way you look at it. 3.) We need sympathizers (cryptos) in key positions along this chain who constantly hint at a more radical position. 4.) This creates a path from the mainstream to the fringe down which sympathizers can travel. Case in point, the path I took to White Nationalism through Pat Buchanan, a mainstream political figure. That's how we do it. 1.) Saddling yourself with extreme positions - for instance, exterminating the Jews - is guaranteed to backfire. The overwhelming majority of Whites will recoil in moral disgust. Within the WN movement, you have only made yourself radioactive. No one wants to be associated with someone who openly promotes genocide. You are doing nothing but isolating yourself. 2.) In taking such extreme positions, you attract a lot of mentally unstable individuals, people like Todd in FL. You are inviting law enforcement agencies to get on your case. You are running the risk of going to prison. We have already seen Bill White and Hal Turner get in trouble for pushing the boundries of free speech. 3.) Attacking Sam Francis, Greg Johnson, and Jared Taylor with smears and personal attacks hasn't won you any sympathy with their audience. Again, it has backfired. You have only succeeded in highlighting the qualities that people find admirable in them. As a strategy, it just doesn't work. 4.) You have a record of attacking all sorts of people in the movement. This has created an enormous amount of animus towards you. Within the WN movement, you have isolated yourself. If you can't build a coalition within the racialist community itself, how do you expect to reach out to non-racialists? Your valid insights: 1.) It is a great idea to use humor and emotion to reach a wider audience. The average White isn't going to read texts as dry or intellectual as the Kevin MacDonald trilogy. You have a genuine talent in this regard. 2.) You have a sharp mind. Many of your criticisms of Buchanan and Francis are on target. Unfortunately, your style of presentation often causes people to throw the baby out with the bathwater. 3.) You are right that conservatives are too nice. Jews fight nasty. We should be as nasty to them as they are to us. 4.) You are right about creating a polarization between WN and the mainstream.
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Are my posts being edited or deleted? In one thread several days ago I made a post and included an image. The image was removed shortly thereafter.
I also made a post regarding Giles interpretation of the call and interaction he had with Dan Jones and that post seems to have been deleted. At least I can't find it in the several Giles threads that I've searched. Last edited by OTPTT; December 16th, 2009 at 09:54 AM. |
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That’s exactly the wrong analogy, and it shows why all the essays are just cloning themselves and generating more essays, not inspiring practical action in the real world such as Alex proposes. The essay can inform, but can it convey courage? When those Jews were writing essays, other Jews were doing political agitation, running civil rights and labor orgs and litigating at every level. They didn’t face the risks WN do today: the authorities didn’t terrorize them and, as E. Michael Jones has shown, much of the WASP establishment actually supported them for their own misguided reasons. If there’s an apt Jewish analogy to WN it’s the Bolsheviks in Russia, who were in a real fight. The one guy at TOQ who gets this is VNN alum O’Meara, who understands something more than intellect needs to be engaged.
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Hey Fade, regarding you not having the right personality to become a WN politician or public spokesman, let me tell you something. I was an introvert all my life and absolutely terrified of public speaking UNTIL I became jew wise. Understanding the GD jew menace tormented me day and nite and spurred me not only to run my mouth publicly every chance I got, but to action, as well. Like Hitler said: "Triumph of the will". So try and triumph over your's. As for "Rounder being on the FBI's domestic terrorism database", I'd be a mighty unhappy "trooper" if I wasn't. Truth be known, we're all on there, at least the one classified Top-Secret-For-Jew-Eyes-Only.
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2.) I support practical action. In the Deep South, I think an activist organization could work. It could get the attention of explicit Whites who have never heard of White Nationalism. In other parts of the country, activism will just result in more ritual shaming. It will drive sympathizers deeper into the closet. 3.) If Alex wants to engage in practical action, why doesn't he take his own advice? I haven't seen any follow up to the Knoxville rally. What about Rounder? Why isn't he organizing street level protests in Missouri? It is one thing to say we need more real world activism. It is another to get out there and actually do it. 4.) I'm willing to participate in any street level protest in my local area. 5.) We also need those essays. They change minds. In the MacDonald interview, a caller said his view of the Jewish Question had been changed by reading a MacDonald essay. 6.) Alex is a writer. That's his strength. Unfortunately, I don't see him writing much either. He has abandoned the VNN frontpage to Socrates. I'm running two daily blogs. I'm getting published by TOQ Online and Amren. I even find the time to post here and respond to you guys. 7.) Did you know that Greg Johnson has close ties to the BANA people who protest out in California? Quote:
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Almost everything about national-socialism represented some longstanding trend coming to fruition. It was an organic development from the German political and intellectual tradition.
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So experience that "triumph of the will" I told you about, and do your duty. Alex stated many times that VNN'ers are welcome to use this forum to recruit and organize for activisms. So hop to it.
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I'm now running the most active and popular White Nationalist blog on the internet. I just started a second blog that deals exclusively with the Jewish Question. http://www.occidentaldissent.com/ http://antisemitica.wordpress.com/ My work has been published in TOQ Online and Amren. I'm stirring up an enormous dust cloud with my writing. I might have even knocked some sense into Linder: I notice he has returned to his perch on the VNN homepage. Quote:
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LOL! That was awesome!
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1.) The success of my blog might may have encouraged Kevin MacDonald and friends to create one of their own. It is quickly shaping up to be an invaluable online resource. http://theoccidentalobserver.net/tooblog/ 2.) I've been fighting back the philo-Semitic horde for months. I put a lot of effort into refuting Guy White's nonsense about Jewish power. 3.) I have sent traffic to Jim Giles new radio show and other worthy projects. 4.) I have pushed a lot of people in a more radical direction. 5.) I have done a lot to clean up White Nationalism and discussion of the Jewish Question.
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And I'll wish you much success if you'll promise to keep in mind: "Triumph of the will".
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Disappointing. MacDonald offers up the weasel words “different strokes,” and then proceeds to attack Alex. The high road gets lower by the day. And whose permission does MacDonald need to talk to Alex?
Did he really say Alex doesn’t make any points that MacDonald doesn’t? Alex developed the zero-sum model of racialist politics, which shows that conservatives are the enemies of WN. For such a crude guy, that’s a sophisticated, original analysis. Quote:
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