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Old September 16th, 2013 #81
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They should have buried that organization with Pierce. It would have kept its respect.

Such organizations seldom if ever survive their founders. That is a crucial fact to be observed and respected.
 
Old September 17th, 2013 #82
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Lack of Leadership Blamed for Demise of Pro-White Group

September 17, 2013
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- Members of National Alliance concerned about future viability

By Pete Papaherakles

The National Alliance (NA), once the best-financed and best-organized white nationalist organization of its kind in the United States, is now on the verge of extinction as NA headquarters in West Virginia are up for sale. Founded by Dr. William Pierce in 1974, NA membership in 2002, the year of Pierce’s untimely death, was estimated at 2,500, with an income of $1M annually. By 2012 that number declined to less than 100, and today it is doubtful that even a handful of members remains.

The blame for the demise of the NA has been placed on Erich Gliebe, who became chairman in 2002 after Pierce’s death. Unlike Pierce, a physicist whose many books, lectures and lifelong dedication to the cause has inspired thousands, if not millions, Gliebe has been referred to by fellow members as uncharismatic, incompetent, a poor leader —and even a thief.

In an August 12 interview with AMERICAN FREE PRESS, Jim Ring, the No. 2 man in the NA who resigned last October, explained: “I resigned because I realized that Erich Gliebe is not only incompetent but he is also dishonest. He has put up for sale most of the NA headquarters, the proceeds of which will go to him personally.” Ring added that “unit coordinators like me and other leaders started resigning after the 2012 National Alliance Leadership Conference in October 2012 and most other members resigned after the reactivating of my website in January of this year.”

Gliebe reportedly stopped paying property taxes on some of the NA headquarters property in 2012. “The sad result is the demise and loss of the NA headquarters that thousands of ex-members put their own sweat and hard-earned money into creating for what now appears to be all for naught,” said Ring. Asking price for 289 acres and the Pierce Memorial Hall is nearly $700K.

“With the sale of this acreage Gliebe will certainly sell off the remaining property shortly after and move the inventory to his suburban Cleveland home,” explained Ring. “Erich’s annual salary from the NA has gone from $65K in 2004 to $22K in 2012. But for the past few years Erich has held another full time job in Cleveland. He has also been pocketing donations and sales of whatever he could liquidate.”

Resistance Records, once a thriving music company acquired and built up by Pierce, had recording deals on both sides of the Atlantic and produced most of the NA’s income.

“Gliebe drove the company out of business through mismanagement [and] shady deals,” said Ring. “The previous board appointed by Dr. Pierce had accused him of embezzlement. Erich even sold Dr. Pierce’s gun collection for personal gain, as well as having sold a sizable amount of timber from the property to a logging company for $38K, keeping much of that money for himself.“

Of particular significance is a bequest worth anywhere from $160K to $1M left to the NA by Robert McCorkill, a Canadian chemist and NA member who died in 2004. It included a collection of ancient Greek and Roman coins. An injunction currently tying up this money in court could be lifted when the matter goes to trial on September 10, at which point the NA may receive the bequest. Gliebe would have control over that money once the court rules.

Even Pierce’s own brother, Sanders Pierce, resigned from the NA on April 2013. “I feel it necessary to explain my resignation from the organization my brother built in protest to Erich remaining as chairman,” he said, citing Gliebe’s “severe neglect” of NA business. “I simply feel he should turn over the chairmanship to someone who will devote full time to the NA.” Although Gliebe may have acted in an incompetent and unethical manner, it is unclear to what extent his actions have been illegal.

The NA board of directors consists of Gliebe, Jayne Cartwright and Ryan Miziarka. All three are equally culpable for what is happening with the NA. Not only can Gliebe not do anything without the approval of the other two, but Ms. Cartwright and Miziarka can actually have Gliebe removed as chairman if they choose.

A March 30 post on www.natallnews.net stated that even after receiving dozens of letters of concern from NA members across the country both Cartwright and Miziarka have remained silent. When Sanders Pierce finally placed a call to Miziarka, the board member told him that he does not pay attention to the goings-on within the organization and therefore could offer no comment on the situation.

Pete Papaherakles is a writer and political cartoonist for AFP and is also AFP’s outreach director. Pete is interested in getting AFP writers and editors on the podium at patriotic events. Call him at 202-544-5977 if you know of an event you think AFP should attend. - See more at: http://americanfreepress.net/?p=1275....1ipqE7a6.dpuf

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Old September 17th, 2013 #83
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There has been discussion on a few other threads in months past, threads about the McCorkill estate and perhaps one other, about how a group of former NA members were going to employ a strategy to try to save and rescue the Alliance from Mr. Gliebe's derelict leadership - specifics about the strategy were not provided but it was said that perhaps no one who had left the NA in frustration with the leadership in years past had any idea that this strategy could be effective and provide a way to force change within the organization.

While I am not certain, I strongly suspect that this move by Mr. Gliebe to declare the NA a non-membership organization is in part or entirely because he has some idea of what is in the works and is getting nervous.

One thing is for sure, the NA is not Mr. Gliebe's private club, the organization was created by Dr. Pierce as a vehicle for our people to bring change to the destiny of our race, whose fate he had upmost concern about. Dr. Pierce also did not want it to "die with him" and although he may have done better to have chosen a successor in a better fashion than was done, he did want to see progress continue I am sure.

I know many think saving the NA, that the chances of removing Gliebe, is hopeless and cannot be done, but I can assure you that he did not do this because he is at this time as smug as he has been in the past when members have brought forth issues and concerns, been ignored, and then left the NA.

I know many racialists have experience with other leaders in the "movement" kind of having their own way in an organization - they do what they want on whim, kick people out, make decisions that most can see are not in the interests of the said organization or the race. They run it like a private club, and in probably all of those cases that is essentially what it is.

The NA is NOT a private club, Dr. Pierce put in place a lot more structure and professionalism into the construct, this is why there is a strategy that can be pursued and is being pursued, Mr. Gliebe actions here again show that he knows he might have "some splaining" to do very soon.

I know there are no shortage of skeptics out there, but there are a couple folks who are not NA diehards who have looked at the facts and evidence surrounding this strategy and they have said it looks like a solid strategy. No one can predict the future and perhaps it will come up short, perhaps not, but if Mr. Gliebe wants to tank the Alliance and take the scraps for himself he will have to work to have the dishonor.
 
Old September 17th, 2013 #84
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Just curious. Does anyone know of the whereabouts of any of the Pierce Memorial Stones that some of us paid good money for? I put $100 in one. I know of others who put in $1000s. What is Gliebe going to do with those? Sell them? To whom?
I can help here since I was up to the property as recently as last year for a leadership conference, this was a little over a week before myself and a number of other members resigned last October.

The stones were there, right in front of the WLP Memorial Hall, back in 2010. I would assume they are still there. The conference in 2012 was held in the old hall, due mostly because of the lack of plumbing in the new hall, it has fallen into disrepair, nothing that could not be fixed with the right expertise, but the current leadership doesn't even live up there so he doesn't seem to care.

I believe the stones were supposed to go into the WLP memorial garden that was right near the hall there. While it was in better shape in 2010, it was particularly disgraceful that a year before that conference that Mr. Gliebe did not even bother to make sure the property was presentable, the garden was badly overgrown, was really awful. The only reason it was better in 2010 was because Dr. Bob (don't want to butcher his last name) mowed the area himself.
 
Old September 17th, 2013 #85
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This should have been posted here instead.

http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=159755

 
Old September 17th, 2013 #86
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The National Alliance is finished. Has been for over a decade. You can't resurrect it as the NA, and go on like it was when Pierce was alive. Whenever something goes bad like this, it is forever finished in that form. Look to restaurants, for example. Once a name goes bad and gets a bad reputation, that's it. You can't just change the management and reopen the doors and expect the public to start coming back like they may have done in the past. You have to change the name, either tear down the old building or else completely overhaul the entire structure and look. You can't even have over maybe one of the old employees remain. And only then under extraordinary circumstances--the people REALLY like the person and can somehow disassociate him or her completely from the old. In other words, the new thing has got to be completely different. Period.

You can't "go back." You can't just restart from where the old left off. You have to have a completely new and DIFFERENT image and name. And people.

This is just the way it is with people.

Trying otherwise invariably ends in failure.
 
Old September 18th, 2013 #87
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This should have been posted here instead.

http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=159755

Unreal! The double-talking Gliebe talking out of both sides of his mouth. What is he going to put out next? "War is peace," or "freedom is slavery?" The only thing remaining that find incomprehensible about this, is that there are still people out there that continue to send in money to this shyster and clown.
 
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I disagree. I don't think it's valid comparison. NA does not have a bad name in the public, as it is, also thanks to the current "chairman", inactive and unknown to public.

From what I have read actual members or former members are mostly aware this is a leadership problem and are willing or ready to continue support the organization if there is a positive change in this matter. Speaking in broad sense, White nationalists and racialists does not associate NA with Gliebe but with an immortal work of Dr. Pierce.
 
Old September 18th, 2013 #89
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You don't think the NA has a bad name? What, pray tell, would you call it?

William Pierce is dead.

The comparison is valid. You are not going to resurrect the NA. The problem with many WN is that they flat don't even know many fundamental facts about people and reality of this world. What I pointed out above is a basic concept known to most normal white people. You just don't want to see it. This is what a few WN mean by "naval gazing" and "crypt keeping."
 
Old September 18th, 2013 #90
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The National Alliance is finished. Has been for over a decade. You can't resurrect it as the NA, and go on like it was when Pierce was alive. Whenever something goes bad like this, it is forever finished in that form. Look to restaurants, for example. Once a name goes bad and gets a bad reputation, that's it. You can't just change the management and reopen the doors and expect the public to start coming back like they may have done in the past. You have to change the name, either tear down the old building or else completely overhaul the entire structure and look. You can't even have over maybe one of the old employees remain. And only then under extraordinary circumstances--the people REALLY like the person and can somehow disassociate him or her completely from the old. In other words, the new thing has got to be completely different. Period.

You can't "go back." You can't just restart from where the old left off. You have to have a completely new and DIFFERENT image and name. And people.

This is just the way it is with people.

Trying otherwise invariably ends in failure.
I understand what you are trying to say, but let me give you a few items to consider, a few points that may sway your thinking, perhaps not completely but somewhat.

1 - While the current state of the NA can be called dreadful and while I wouldn't fault the causal onlooker for saying it was "finished" as you said I would still point out that the NA still has the most organizational infrastructure of any group in America at the moment. The property in Hillsboro itself is something that many WN individuals and groups aspire to attain, and the NA still has that. There is also still a large stock of books, CD's, recruiting materials, etc, there on the property. Two large buildings and a few smaller ones are also on the property, some do need work to make them livable again but the two main buildings, the old hall and new hall, simply need some attention and expertise, not a lot of expense I don't believe to make them presentable, just cosmetic stuff, stuff that doesn't get done because the Chairman is not ever there.

So the assets alone make the Alliance worth saving, how difficult would it be to acquire that much land, propaganda materials, and other infrastructure through establishing a new organization rather than trying to rescue this once great organization. As of now it has just taken a little effort, the right contacts, and refusal to just let one flawed individual destroy it all to make significant progress.

2- It may be hard to believe but despite the negative view of the Alliance that Mr. Gliebe has had almost complete responsibility for, the name "National Alliance" still attracts good people, and this is not even counting the people who love the Alliance but have refused to tolerate the derelict leadership of Mr. Gliebe. I can say this for certain as I was a member from 2005-2012, while at times it was difficult to recruit because of questions about Mr. Gliebe's leadership ability, we still received a lot of interest and inquiries. Those of us who stuck it through the lean times tried to build strength through local unit activity in the hope it would make up for the anchor at the top - was ultimately unsuccessful in the end, there must be a change in leadership and Mr. Gliebe must be removed from any connection to the NA.

You see the videos that are put to old Dr. Pierce ADV's, those things are circulated widely. The name National Alliance is on all of them. I am not worried that good people would be attracted/ come back, to an Alliance that was free of the dead weight and cancerous name of Mr. Gliebe.

3- This may be the most important point. The Alliance's name has been tarnished, severely tarnished as you made mention of yes, but the main reason is the name "Erich Gliebe" being associated with the organization. Removing that dark cloud would not make the organization what it once was, but it could present an opportunity for those who still care about the NA and Dr. Pierce's legacy to, through producing and making progress toward restoring the Alliance as a vehicle for Whites to work for revolutionary change, gaining the admiration and hopefully and eventually the support of many of those who have left over the years, not because they lost faith in the vision of Dr. Pierce or the program of the Alliance that HE established, but because of the actions (or inaction) and behavior of Mr. Gliebe.

Say the current effort underway by former members and other admirers of Dr. Pierce to force a change in leadership is successful, there is no guarantee that it will be but lets just say it is, lets envision the reality of this Mr. Gliebe being removed. I mean how many over the years have just left in disgust, frustrated at the apparent impossibility of removing the man, I mean this guy has just stayed put, seemingly impossible to move, as so many good people have thrown their hands up and said to hell with it, lets start another group, quit altogether, etc. What would that say for the ability to GET THINGS DONE on the part of those who GOT THAT DONE, if it were able to happen.

I would hope at the very least, at the very least, that folks would pay attention to the Alliance again, I know many have just written it off, I myself did just that after resigning last October, it was the presentation of a solid strategy and plan, one that had never been pursued before to my knowledge, that lead me to lend my support and assistance to the current effort. For all the damage that has been done by Mr. Gliebe, I would hope that folks would at least pay attention, not money or donations off the bat, just attention, and I think that the work of rebuilding the Alliance, especially in this current environment, would be comparatively easy when compared to what it will take to get Mr. Gliebe removed, which I will admit will not be assured, it is assured that Mr. Gliebe will have to explain some things and work to hang on to control of the NA, control he will use to utterly destroy the organization, but we will just have to see how things progress with the current effort. Victory cannot be assured but I assure you if one day in the future it is announced that Mr. Gliebe has been removed from his position and from the Alliance that their may well be many shocked, surprised, and hopefully some hopeful people out there, folks willing to pay more attention to the "reborn" NA, observe what will be clearly noticeable improvements, progress, and a level of activism and advocacy that will easily distinguish itself in a matter of months, and eventually will hopefully consider lending their talent, assistance, and support behind the work.

One thing I can say for sure, and I am saying this with the knowledge of a solid strategy of action I cannot share at this stage (wheels are really starting to turn now though) is that it would be completely wrong to not at least try, make one last effort to save the NA, save that property (which is by the way Dr. Pierce's final resting place, his ashes were spread there on a portion of the property) and try to make a go of it.

At this stage I would rather be called "crazy" for believing in the chance of success with this effort than ask "what if" after refusing to at least try, make the effort at this perilous hour, with the property put up for sale by that charlatan, with the shameless measures he is taking now in an effort to take the scraps for himself (to hell with the idea of the NA not being a membership organization) it is worth the time and attention to see the current strategy through. At least it can be said that nothing could have been done, if indeed the organization one day is truly and forever finished, at least myself and others involved can say we tried, as many others have I might add, to rescue the NA from the Gliebe abyss.

Again as I mentioned earlier I cannot say for sure, but I strongly suspect that the announcement made by Gliebe recently about the NA not being a membership organization is a direct result of the work by the reform group over the past number of months, I think it is a clumsy way to try to cover his bases when he is finally called to account for his actions as Chairman, some of which may cause him to have some sleepless nights, fact is this action will probably not make any difference if the evidence and facts we have get as far as we need them to.

If the thief wants to escape the gallery with the treasure so to speak, he will not have the red carpet rolled out for him to escape with his ill gotten gains, destroying the spiritual meaning of the work of a great man and running off with X amount of dollars, he will, at very least, have to jump through some hoops, he will have to work, WORK, surely a hell of a lot harder than he has as Chairman, to remain as virtually untouchable as he has in the past.
 
Old September 18th, 2013 #91
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Just wanted to pass along a little news, this would be regarding the hearing that took place in Canada, having to do with the challenge on the McCorkill estate by the various Jewish groups working behind the sister of Mr. Mccorkill. This took place Sept 10th.

I don't know the specifics and would not want to comment about things I did not witness. Was hoping Mr. Paul Fromm who attended the hearing along with the executor of the estate, Mr. Streed, would have posted something on his website by now, not sure if he is planning to.

Basically from what I understand the thing was continued until a date in November. This is due to the fact that the various documents submitted by the Jewish groups and other anti-White anti-free speech groups, needed to be reviewed by Mr. Fromm and Mr. Streed, and the judge gave them the needed time to do this.

Turns out Mr. Gliebe was unable to even secure the funds to send a lawyer there on behalf of the Alliance. I guess every charlatan eventually sees the well go dry, especially in the Internet age. While this may be amusing, I think it is tragic that this man's incompetence and dereliction of duty (had the Alliance not fallen so low through his leadership I am sure the money would have been there, if not there had been lawyers with WN sympathies willing to take it on for free, this was not out of the possibility when Dr. Pierce was still alive from what I understand) may actually lead to a legal precedent that may bring great hardship and difficulty for WN north of the border, if the Jews are successful here then it will possibly open the door for them to use the courts to cut off donations to pro-White groups in Canada completely from what I understand.

Just unreal how the incompetence of one person can be so far reaching in its destructiveness - hopefully Mr Fromm can get the help needed to fight the fight that should be headed by Mr. Gliebe and the Alliance.
 
Old September 18th, 2013 #92
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Guys, we have a #1 thread on this in the WN section. It's better to keep this stuff together, so I am going to merge this thread.
 
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I've stickied this thread now, so remember: MAIN NA thread is in White Nationalism section. If I find other relevant threads, I'll merge them in here.
 
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I understand what you are trying to say, but let me give you a few items to consider, a few points that may sway your thinking, perhaps not completely but somewhat.

1 - While the current state of the NA can be called dreadful and while I wouldn't fault the causal onlooker for saying it was "finished" as you said I would still point out that the NA still has the most organizational infrastructure of any group in America at the moment. The property in Hillsboro itself is something that many WN individuals and groups aspire to attain, and the NA still has that....

You seem to have missed the entire essence and point of my post. Why don't you read it again? Most everything in your long post is probably true...but missing what I pointed out to you.

I never said you can't use the assets of the NA, for example.

What you and some others are proposing is identical to what millions of inexperienced businessmen do every year. And then wonder what went wrong and why they failed, again. Read carefully what I wrote. It contains at least two critical points that are often ignored and end up being the prime cause of failure.

And my second to last sentence of the post you quoted is the operative and relevant one. This is just the way it is with people. Doesn't matter what you or I or five other WN think.
 
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A few observations from a former NA member.

1) Pierce ultimately deserves the blame for appointing Gliebe. That always gets lost, because people don't want to blame the big guy for anything, so they simply ignore the most basic fact: he, and no one else, appointed Gliebe. Many, including me and Prof Robert Griffin, author of "Fame of a Dead Man's Deeds," believe Pierce intended the organization to die after he did. No matter what he stated publicly, I believe that is the case.

2) It became evident within a year or so that Gliebe was incompetent, if not corrupt. The board, at that time still appointed by Pierce (I think), was disposed to remove him. There was a meeting, but the members inclined to remove Gliebe failed to do so. After that failure, at some point, Gliebe replaced these independent board members with his cronies. I believe that remains the situation today, roughly ten years later. Correct me if I'm wrong about any of this.

Questions are:

- is there any way to remove Gliebe? Can he be appealed to? bought out? forced out?

- why haven't remaining, alienated NA members reformed around a new leader/organization? is there enough reputation / assets / etc to be worth continuing to endure Gliebe's tenure?
 
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One has to laugh sourly at the ultimate outcome: because these white 'elite' couldn't find the energy to do anything about Gliebe in a decade, if the NA does receive the Canadian bequest, it will go to the despised and corrupt Erich Gliebe.

That is funny. Sourly funny. But funny.

The point here is that NA was NOT an elite organization, and Pierce knew that, and THAT is why he truly did wish to see it die after he did. His legacy, he knew, was intellectual. A group that could put his ideas into practice would have to come later.

He was, in his thinking about his own organization, as almost always in his thinking about everything else, correct.
 
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A few observations from a former NA member.

1) Pierce ultimately deserves the blame for appointing Gliebe. That always gets lost, because people don't want to blame the big guy for anything, so they simply ignore the most basic fact: he, and no one else, appointed Gliebe. Many, including me and Prof Robert Griffin, author of "Fame of a Dead Man's Deeds," believe Pierce intended the organization to die after he did. No matter what he stated publicly, I believe that is the case.

2) It became evident within a year or so that Gliebe was incompetent, if not corrupt. The board, at that time still appointed by Pierce (I think), was disposed to remove him. There was a meeting, but the members inclined to remove Gliebe failed to do so. After that failure, at some point, Gliebe replaced these independent board members with his cronies. I believe that remains the situation today, roughly ten years later. Correct me if I'm wrong about any of this.

Questions are:

- is there any way to remove Gliebe? Can he be appealed to? bought out? forced out?

- why haven't remaining, alienated NA members reformed around a new leader/organization? is there enough reputation / assets / etc to be worth continuing to endure Gliebe's tenure?
While I do agree that Dr. Pierce did not properly take measures to ensure a better replacement was chosen, he in fact was not the one who actually named Erich Gliebe as Chairman. Now you were a member before I was and would have more knowledge of what went on during that period, but from what I understand and have been told it is a often told falsehood that Dr. Pierce directly chose Gliebe as Chairman. I took Erich's word on that myself and believed it for many years.

The board of directors at that time were the ones who actually put Mr. Gliebe in as Chairman, from what I understand Dr. Pierce left it up to the board to select a new Chairman (perhaps an error on his part). It is interesting to note that one of the conditions that was attached to this appointment was that Gliebe be moved and living on the property within a year of the appointment, of course he never did carry that through, never moved there.

Gliebe cannot be appealed to, no way, no how, in my opinion. A group of members, including Dr. Pierce's brother, made very respectful requests that Mr. Gliebe start working full time for the Alliance and move to WV or resign and appoint a new Chairman (he was and still is in fact a part time Chairman, holds another job) that request was declined, that was just this past October. The people involved tried to be as respectful as possible, choosing not to call him out there at the conference, tried to keep things "in house" but to no avail. The guy is just money minded at this point, and probably has been for quite a while, no way a money minded individual will quit when that money in Canada is waiting, also the value of the property there in WV is substantial, far too much for him to step away from, even if it means life or death for the NA.

I know you don't care for the long post so I will elaborate as far as I can on the issue of forcing out Gliebe in another post.
 
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A few observations from a former NA member.

1) Pierce ultimately deserves the blame for appointing Gliebe. That always gets lost, because people don't want to blame the big guy for anything, so they simply ignore the most basic fact: he, and no one else, appointed Gliebe. Many, including me and Prof Robert Griffin, author of "Fame of a Dead Man's Deeds," believe Pierce intended the organization to die after he did. No matter what he stated publicly, I believe that is the case.

2) It became evident within a year or so that Gliebe was incompetent, if not corrupt. The board, at that time still appointed by Pierce (I think), was disposed to remove him. There was a meeting, but the members inclined to remove Gliebe failed to do so. After that failure, at some point, Gliebe replaced these independent board members with his cronies. I believe that remains the situation today, roughly ten years later. Correct me if I'm wrong about any of this.

Questions are:

- is there any way to remove Gliebe? Can he be appealed to? bought out? forced out?

- why haven't remaining, alienated NA members reformed around a new leader/organization? is there enough reputation / assets / etc to be worth continuing to endure Gliebe's tenure?
On the topic of forcing Gliebe out and installing new leadership, it can be done, and the wheels are turning on an effort to have him removed. I can make a few comments on the merits of the effort but don't want to go into too much detail out of respect for others who have done the most leg work when it comes to this effort.

Most WN organizations have always been organizations in the sense that they are a group of people working under a title, perform activity, etc, and all decisions are up to the leader or who they put in charge to make a given decision or run a certain arm of the group. There really is no oversight and the leader can pretty much do whatever they want, same goes for officers of the said organization.

Unlike most, if not all, WN organizations the NA is actually recognized in the eyes of the law as a corporation, some are aware of this but many probably are not, and if they do they don't recognize some things which are significant about that. It is under the eyes of the law registered as a non-profit corporation.

The fact is you cannot run a corporation as some kind of private club, just do what you want when you want. Certain decisions and directions that are taken must have proper avenues taken for them to be properly administered.

Fact is the reform the NA group has facts and evidence, documentation (stuff that cannot be made right by Mr. Gliebe now even if he was aware, trying to make up for missteps may in fact dig the hole even deeper, that is why I am even commenting to this extent, even if he knows what is coming, he can't undo it, and he will get the news soon enough) that can possibly be enough to have Mr. Gliebe removed due to improper acts as Chairman. And we don't just have one or two items, we have a list that could be classified as a laundry list of charges against him.

We also have been lucky enough to have the assistance of a few people who have knowledge of the legalities of these kind of issues, dealing with corporate law and non-profit corporations. One of these people Mr. Gliebe as well as many others will be familiar with, he is a open WN but I will hold off on naming him without his direct OK.

Now how could all of this lead to Gliebe being removed and a new leadership group being put in place, one that would work to get things rolling again, finally?Well there is a real world example of a group of resigned members of another political organization, not a racialist one but a political organization, where that did actually happen, the thing went to court and the "reform" faction was recognized there as the new leadership group because of the failings, legally, of the prior leadership. We know this has record of real world success, one of the folks helping the reform the NA out was involved in that effort.

It should also be said that there are some instances where people who are officers and heads of non-profits can not only be held liable in civil court (be stripped of their position) but also be held criminally liable as well - keep that in mind.

There has been significant progress in the past couple weeks and we are not too far away from the point where Mr. Gliebe will become fully aware of what he has to contend with, after this happens I will be probably able to share more with folks. Nothing is of top secret nature or anything, I just want to have respect for those who are doing the technical work, not just report everything they inform me of even if doing so wouldn't hurt anything.

This time he won't just have to contend with disaffected members going on the Internet and saying bad stuff about him, something I suspect he probably gets a sick kick out of, he will have to consider the charges, serious charges, that could be brought against him and then consider the consequenses of what might be in store for him if he chooses to ignore it.
 
Old September 18th, 2013 #99
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Hard to believe it has been a decade since the summer of 2003...quite an eventful time...
 
Old September 19th, 2013 #100
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Well I'm looking forward to that upcoming Bulletin of his.

I wonder where are people supposed to read it though, at http://natallnews.net/ ?

What used to be an official website is gone already.

I like how the http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/National_Alliance have the up-to-date info on this.
 
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