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The Genetic Map of Europe: strong differences between Northern and Southern Europeans
Biologists have constructed a genetic map of Europe showing the degree of relatedness between its various populations.
All the populations are quite similar, but the differences are sufficient that it should be possible to devise a forensic test to tell which country in Europe an individual probably comes from [but but but...race does not exist!], said Manfred Kayser, a geneticist at the Erasmus University Medical Center in the Netherlands. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/13/sc...nt&oref=slogin |
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The Genetic Map of Europe (go to site to see maps). Biologists have constructed a genetic map of Europe showing the degree of relatedness between its various populations. By NICHOLAS WADE Published: August 13, 2008 > All the populations are quite similar, but the differences are sufficient that it should be possible to devise a forensic test to tell which country in Europe an individual probably comes from, said Manfred Kayser, a geneticist at the Erasmus University Medical Center in the Netherlands. The map shows, at right, the location in Europe where each of the sampled populations live and, at left, the genetic relationship between these 23 populations. The map was constructed by Dr. Kayser, Dr. Oscar Lao and others, and appears in an article in Current Biology published on line on August 7. The genetic map of Europe bears a clear structural similarity to the geographic map. The major genetic differences are between populations of the north and south (the vertical axis of the map shows north-south differences, the horizontal axis those of east- west). The area assigned to each population reflects the amount of genetic variation in it. Europe has been colonized three times in the distant past, always from the south. Some 45,000 years ago the first modern humans entered Europe from the south. The glaciers returned around 20,000 years ago and the second colonization occurred about 17,000 years ago by people returning from southern refuges. The third invasion was that of farmers bringing the new agricultural technology from the Near East around 10,000 years ago. The pattern of genetic differences among present day Europeans probably reflects the impact of these three ancient migrations, Dr. Kayser said. The map also identifies the existence of two genetic barriers within Europe. One is between the Finns (light blue, upper right) and other Europeans. It arose because the Finnish population was at one time very small and then expanded, bearing the atypical genetics of its few founders. The other is between Italians (yellow, bottom center) and the rest. This may reflect the role of the Alps in impeding free flow of people between Italy and the rest of Europe. Data for the map were generated by gene chips programmed to test and analyze 500,000 sites of common variation on the human genome, although only the 300,000 most reliable sites were used for the map. Dr. Kayser's team tested almost 2,500 people and analyzed the data by correlating the genetic variations in all the subjects. The genetic map is based on the two strongest of these sets of correlations. The gene chips require large amounts of DNA, more than is available in most forensic samples. Dr. Kayser hopes to identify the sites on the human genome which are most diagnostic for European origin. These sites, if reasonably few in number, could be tested for in hair and blood samples, Dr. Kayser said. Genomic sites that carry the strongest signal of variation among populations may be those influenced by evolutionary change, Dr. Kayser said. Of the 100 strongest sites, 17 are found in the region of the genome that confers lactose tolerance, an adaptation that arose among a cattle herding culture in northern Europe some 5,000 years ago. Most people switch off the lactose digesting gene after weaning, but the cattle herders evidently gained a great survival advantage by keeping the gene switched on through adulthood. |
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If you look at other Uralic groups like Nenets and Khanty, this hypothesis looks even stronger. In addition, the so-called "Asiatic" traits of Russians probably stem instead from some historical mixing with Uralic peoples. |
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Uralic groups all show that they are partially Caucasian, it's likely Finns that mixed with them in ancient times not vice versa. At any rate their population isn't significant enough to describe the difference, my explanation is just that Finns were in Europe before everyone else, that's what I think. You'll notice that there is no N haplotype in any Asian countries, this is likely because N is Caucasian, I really don't believe that Finns are Asian even though they tend to act odd. If N was an Asian group then it wouldn't make sense for the vast majority of Finns to be blond while the vast majority of them were all part Asian. Also it has been determined that the most ancient strain of N is in Finland not vice versa.
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Wow, I missed this thread back in 2008 ...a 'scientific' study that tells us all Euros are basically family ...I never would have thought
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Some interesting papers about Autosomal DNA testing found on DNA Tribes.
Genetic Affiliations of Individuals within World Regions http://www.dnatribes.com/sample-resu...affinities.pdf Genetic Relationships in Southern Europe http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-d...2009-03-28.pdf Genetic Evidence of Indo-Europeans and Substrates in the West http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-d...2009-07-29.pdf Genetic Evidence of Indo-Europeans and Substrates in the West (Part Two) http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-d...2009-08-29.pdf Who are the Americans? http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-d...2008-08-29.pdf Genetic Relationships in Northern Europe http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-d...2008-11-28.pdf Patterns of Gene Flow through the Inland Silk Routes http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-d...2008-12-26.pdf Patterns of Gene Flow through the Coastal Silk Routes http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-d...2009-01-31.pdf Genetic Relationships in Africa http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-d...2009-02-28.pdf Genetic Relationships along the Pacific Rim of Asia http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-d...2009-04-30.pdf Genetic Relationships among South American Indians http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-d...2009-05-30.pdf Genetic Relationships in Mesoamerica http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-d...2009-06-27.pdf Generals of the Steppes: Basic Genetic Contributions in Tungusic, Mongolic, and Turkic Populations http://dnatribes.com/dnatribes-digest-2009-12-29.pdf Siberia: Basic Genetic Contributions in the European and Siberian Taiga http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-d...2009-11-30.pdf Sages and Outlaws: Basic Genetic Contributions near the Hindu Kush http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-d...2009-10-31.pdf |
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Georgia and the Caucasus Mountain http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-d...2010-10-28.pdf Kurgan Riddles: The Thracian Sub-Region of Europe http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-d...2010-05-31.pdf Two Magyars: Genetic Contributions to Hungary and Székely http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-d...2010-06-30.pdf A Closer Look at the Celtic Sub-Region of Europe http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-d...2010-08-31.pdf DNA Tribes Digest for September 30, 2010: Gallia Belgica: The Belgic Sub-Region of Europe http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-d...2010-09-30.pdf DNA Tribes Digest for November 30, 2010: An Updated Analysis of the Italian Sub-Region http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-d...2010-11-30.pdf DNA Tribes Digest for December 31, 2010: An Updated Analysis of the Portuguese Sub-Region http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-d...2010-12-31.pdf DNA Tribes Digest for January 31, 2011: An Updated Analysis of the Balkan Sub-Region http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-d...2011-01-31.pdf DNA Tribes Digest for March 31, 2011: An Updated Analysis of the Germanic Sub-Region http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-d...2011-03-31.pdf DNA Tribes Digest for April 29, 2011: An Updated Analysis of the Greek Sub-Region http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-d...2011-04-29.pdf
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Using a computer to visualise change in biological organisms In his pioneering work On Growth and Form published in 1917, the biologist D'Arcy Thompson (1860 - 1948) laid the foundations of what is now called bio-mathematics. Here is a picture of D'Arcy Thompson. You can see more about him in our History of Mathematics archive. http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~...res/darcy6.gif |
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http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-d...2011-08-01.pdf
http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-d...2011-12-01.pdf http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-d...2009-10-31.pdf http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-d...2010-01-29.pdf http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-d...2011-09-01.pdf http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-d...2009-12-29.pdf http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-d...2009-11-30.pdf http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-d...2009-08-29.pdf http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-d...2009-07-29.pdf http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-d...2011-12-01.pdf
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Most true White Europeans will fall into one of three Y-DNA genetic haplogroups, which can be broadly classified as:
R1b - "Celtic" I - "Germanic" R1a - "Scythian" Populations inhabiting the Mediterranean region generally have a higher percentage of the Y-DNA genetic haplotype known as E3b, which is found in Northern Africa among the Berbers and in Southern Europe among the Southern Italians, Sicilians, Greeks, etc. The Semitic peoples (Jews and Arabs) generally have a higher percentage of J haplotype DNA. Here is a map showing the breakdown of the various Y-DNA haplogroups found in Europe: As can be seen, the areas of Europe traditionally associated with "Celtic" populations (Ireland, Scotland, Wales, as well as parts of England, Spain, France, etc.) have a higher percentage of R1b DNA, shown in red. Areas of Europe traditionally associated with the Germanic peoples (Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Norway, Denmark, Sweden and the Netherlands) have a higher percentage of I DNA, shown in pink. |
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In looking into the genetics of White Europeans, particularly those inhabiting Western Europe, it should be understood that our concept of who the Celts were and are is very much based on speculation that has circulated among scholars and academians over the past 300 years, and has changed a great deal during that time, as it is likely to continue to change in years to come as archaelogists and anthropologists reexamine their notions and conclusions by comparing their theories with the evidence.
In fact, it was not until 1707 that the Gaelic and Brythonic speaking inhabitants of the British Isles and their cousins in Brittany and Galacia on the European continent came to be identified as "Celts" by the 17th century antiquarian Edward Lhuyd, who first hypothesised that the Irish, Scots, Manx, Welsh, Cornish and Bretons represented the descendants of the ancient tribes referred to as the "Keltoi" by the Greeks and the "Celtae" by the Romans, who learned of these people through the writings of early Classical explorers. These ancient accounts offer reason to doubt that the original early Celts even spoke languages that are related to those that we consider to be "Celtic" today, as the Gaelic/Gaulish/Galacian languages along with Cymraeg (Welsh) belong to the Indo-European family of languages that first evolved in Eastern Europe and the Near East; whereas the original Celts may have spoken an older, non-Indo-European language, more closely related to Basque. In fact, the Gaels/Gauls/Galacians as well as the Cymry are said in ancient records to have come to the British Isles from a region once known as Scythia, which covered a vast territory in Eastern Europe located roughly in the area of the present-day Ukraine, very near the original homeland of the ancient Aryan or Indo-European root language Only one tribe in the ancient era called themselves by a name resembling "Celts" and these were the Celtici, a tribe located in southwestern Spain. These are in fact the first "Celts" mentioned in history by the writer Herodotus in 450 B.C.E., who reported: Quote:
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If we look at genetics through DNA research, we find that the majority of the people living in countries like Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Cornwall are predominately of the R1b genetic haplogroup. The R1b haplotype is in fact the predominant haplogroup in Western Europe and occurs among a majority of the population in the same areas where the ancient megalithic monuments (dolmens, cromlechs, menhirs, and barrows like Newgrange, Callanish, Maes Howe, Avebury, Stonehenge, and Carnac) are found - which suggests that the majority of the people who we identify as "Celtic" are in fact descended from an aboriginal population that was native to Western Europe all the way back to the Stone Age. Another interesting thing to consider is that Indo-European languages like Gaelic and Cymraeg would not have evolved among these people, but would have been introduced from Eastern Europe - the Aryan/Indo-European homeland, where the predominate haplotype is R1a - a fact which perfectly fits the old histories that record the Gaels as having originated in Scythia (present day Ukraine). So the Gaels/Gauls/Galacians who we think of today as being "Celtic" would not originally have been considered as such, as the real "Celts" - the prehistoric R1b haplotype megalithic culture would have spoken a non-Indo European language probably very closely related to Basque. In fact, the Basque people who have remained a relatively isolated population in the Pyrenees mountains between Spain and France have one of the highest percentages of R1b DNA in all of Europe, exceeded only by the inhabitants of Western Ireland, Scotland, Cornwall and Wales, while among the remaing populations of both France and Spain R1b is still the predominate haplotype, though not found in the excessively high levels as it is among the Basques and the populations of the Western portion of the British Isles. This leaves us to draw the conclusion that while the Gaelic and Cymric languages evolved among an R1a population native to Eastern Europe, that these languages were at some point brought to Western Europe by their speakers who settled amongst the R1b Celts (who were the native population of Western Europe) and were eventually absorbed by the indigenous Celtic population that they settled among, though their language survived and was adopted by the Celts. |
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The Gaels who first came to Ireland from the European continent by way of Spain were of Scythian origin. Scythia was a vast region that in ancient times encompassed much of Eastern Europe including present day Ukraine and the Caucasus. The Scythians were known by many names: Scyths, Sacae, Skuthes, Skuda, Scoloti, etc. (meaning "archers") and from them the Gaelic tribe known as the Scotti or Scots is descended. It was in that part of Scythia, located along the current Polish-Ukranian border, that the ancient province of Galicia is found.
Below: Map of the ancient Gallic Kingdom of Galicia in Scythia (present day Ukraine-Polish border region) Galicia was the original homeland of the Gallic people, who were the earliest ancestors of the Gauls of Europe, and the Gaels of Ireland and Scotland. This history is recalled in the words of the Scottish Declaration of Arbroath, addressed to the Pope in 1320: Quote:
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The Scythian origin of the Scots is also recorded in the text known as Chronica de Origine Antiquorum Pictorum (The Pictish Chronicle), which is based on an earlier work, dating to the 7th century, entitled Etymologiae by Isidore of Seville, who wrote: Quote:
The words Briton and Britain themselves come from the Celtic words Pretani and Prydain, which the Britons used to refer to themselves and their island. These words are derived from the Celtic root word Pryd, meaning "to mark" or "draw" and refer to the native Briton practice of painting or tattooing their skin with designs using a dye or ink obtained from the woad plant which produces a blue color; a trait described by Herod of Antioch in the 3rd century A.D., who wrote: Quote:
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Somewhat earlier, in about 60 B.C., Diodorus Siculus wrote: Quote:
The Cimbri, or Cymric tribes as they were known in Britain, were descendants of the ancient Cimmerians who originally inhabited what is now the Crimea on the northern shores of the Black Sea bordering Scythia, until they were scattered after generations of intramural struggles for rulership with competing Scythian tribes; not unlike the events described in the Lebor Gabala Erenn. Below: Map of Cymru (Wales), in Britain, anciently known as Cambria in Latin: While the Britons living in the southern two-thirds of Britain became more "civilized" under Roman military rule and adopted Roman ways and manners, the Britons living in the northern third of the island beyond Roman control retained their own native Celtic customs and practices, which included tattooing their skin with woad. Thus by the end of the third century AD, the Romans began to refer to the Britons living in the northern third of the island as the "Picti" or Picts (from the Latin word Pictus, meaning "painted"). The term Pict first appears in a in a verse praising the emperor Constantius Chlorus written by the Roman orator Eumenius in 297 AD; while in 416 A.D. the Roman poet Claudian wrote: Quote:
These Irish Scots, together with the Picts and some Viking admixture, became the ancestors of the Highlanders. The Lowland Scots were descended mainly from the native Celtic Britons and Picts together with a bit of admixture from the Angles who came to Britain from Germany during the Dark Ages and settled in Bernicia (Northumbria). The majority of the population of Britain however is descended from the native Celtic Britons, a people who the Germanic Anglo-Saxons referred to as Wealas meaning "strangers", from which the modern words Welsh and Wales are derived. The Britons of Ystrad Clud, Rheged, and Goddodin, which were located in the Scottish Lowlands were ethnically and culturally the same people who are known as the Welsh today, though in Scotland they became the ancestors of the Lowland Scots. |
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It is interesting that this thread is pinned to the top of the forum section.
In most "pro-white" boards, there'd be an attempt to cover it up, call it "infighting," etc. I'll just say that I 100% agree. All the evidence I see separates Northern Europeans from Southern Europeans. Furthermore, Southern Europeans are intermediates between Northern Europeans and Middle Easterners - mixed with Middle Eastern Blood that is more recent than the Neolithic. Being a Mix of European and Middle Eastern, Southern Europeans are actually similar to Jews (minus the Khazar component). To me it is still "White," but it is a genetic difference worth noting. In my opinion everyone EVENTUALLY descends from the middle east, but Southern Europeans have RECENT Middle Eastern origins. I can think of two message forum that would want to hide this. I won't name any names, but you can take a guess. |
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Seldin et al,'s European Population Substructure: Clustering of Northern and Southern Populations:
"Using a genome-wide single nucleotide polymorphism (SNP) panel, we observed population structure in a diverse group of Europeans and European Americans. Under a variety of conditions and tests, there is a consistent and reproducible distinction between “northern” and “southern” European population groups: most individual participants with southern European ancestry (Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, and Greek) have >85% membership in the “southern” population; and most northern, western, eastern, and central Europeans have >90% in the “northern” population group. Ashkenazi Jewish as well as Sephardic Jewish origin also showed >85% membership in the “southern” population, consistent with a later Mediterranean origin of these ethnic groups. Based on this work, we have developed a core set of informative SNP markers that can control for this partition in European population structure in a variety of clinical and genetic studies." |
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http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0402100056.htm
Europeans have three times more Neanderthal genes for lipid catabolism than Asians or Africans Date: April 2, 2014 Source: Max-Planck-Gesellschaft Summary: Contemporary Europeans have as many as three times more Neanderthal variants in genes involved in lipid catabolism than Asians and Africans. Although Neanderthals are extinct, fragments of their genomes persist in modern humans. These shared regions are unevenly distributed across the genome and some regions are particularly enriched with Neanderthal variants. |
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Yes the Neolithic invasions brought Middle Eastern Genes into europe, and darkened the south of europe where most of the genetic influence occurred. This is also how the Aryan languages entered Europe from their original location in Iran, which is demonstrated by the Anatolian Hypothesis, but it is one country away from being right. The pre neolithic foragers are more closely related to northern europeans, who are whiter than the south europeans. This is also demonstrated by the fact that the northern europeans have a lot of skin pigment mutations on genes such as Herc2, Slc45A2, TYRP1, and MC1R, which show a decreasing cline from north to the south of europe...although south of europe still has these genes in their blood at moderate to high rates, so they are still white.
The real question for whites must be: how much influence did the Neolithic invasions have on europe's gene pool? These farmers were Iranians, based on the latest genetic research although the scientists simply call it Near Eastern. They had very ancient haplogroups such as F and G, and brought those haplogroups to places as far as Germany during the LBK, although those genes are not found in Germans today (these are discovered from the remains of the Neolithic Farmers). I doubt much, since Europe is too white for their genome to be traced back to these invaders, obviously...it is the white continent. Most likely the influence is about 20 percent, which is what many geneticists say, although there is a school of thought that wants to push it to 3/4 of the genes of europe can be traced back to these Neolithic invaders. |
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