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Old February 8th, 2007 #41
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Il Duce, I have read several articles at ADL and other "watchdog" groups that are talking about it. It just hasn't hit MSM yet. It might if ADL pushes it. If, for example, NV tries to do a rally or Duke is on Blitzer's show again, I bet you they will bring it up. If not, Paula ratings whore Zahn will.
Has Duke made any statements since Strom/Field arrest? Also, the Jewsmedia will use it to smear future genuine WN.

WLP made some really bad judgments having nutjobs Gliebe, and Strom around him.

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Has Duke made any statements since Strom/Field arrest? Also, the Jewsmedia will use it to smear future genuine WN.
I doubt if he will. He would do well to try and distance himself from Fields and Strom ASAP but they won't do that. That is what makes me wonder just who really is running SF and what their purposes are. Note that they don't get hit with the DOS stuff like Hal and VNN have.

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I am not as up on NA/NV business as some here are so I will leave that one alone other than to say that even I wondered about Strom and only saw pics (including his famous underwear shots) of him and heard his weenie voice on broadcasts.
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When I met David in Richmond, he singled Strom out and introduced him as his good and close friend, asking everyone to give applause.

I also have a photo of myself, Duke and Strom from that same conference, taken at the insistence of a fan.

Duke and Strom are close -- and Duke is not going to go after him after Strom kept quiet when Duke was in prison.

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Has Duke made any statements since Strom/Field arrest? Also, the Jewsmedia will use it to smear future genuine WN.

WLP made some really bad judgments having nutjobs Gliebe, and Strom around him.
 
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Note that they don't get hit with the DOS stuff like Hal ...
Actually, Stormfront did get hit with DDoS. However, like with most people who know how to operate a web server, it didn't have much effect.
 
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Actually, Stormfront did get hit with DDoS. However, like with most people who know how to operate a web server, it didn't have much effect.
Then what is Hal's problem? He acts like he knows what he is doing.

BTW, the chan folks are talking about hacking into admin on Prussian Blue's site.

They also list "sidelines" as: Bill White, VNN, Prussian Blue
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Then what is Hal's problem? He acts like he knows what he is doing.
Exactly. He *acts* like he knows what he's doing. The rest of us actually know, so the acting isn't necessary.

I guarantee I could find Hal hosting and lock his box up within a few hours -- coming back maybe once to hit any new offenders.

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Yeah, yeah. Yawn. They've been hitting my box with DDoS attacks for weeks now -- they all bounce off. Other than locking themselves out of my Yahoo password, claiming to hack my wife's email -- yet finding no interesting information and posting a series of "instructions" that didn't work -- and finding the one exploit left in mySQL, they've done nothing new since the last week in December. I'm not exactly concerned.
 
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Mr. Steele's post here has just been posted in the SF Lounge. Only one (1) view so far. We'll see how long it lasts.

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Mr. Steele's post here has just been posted in the SF Lounge. Only one (1) view so far. We'll see how long it lasts.

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See how long the hero that posted it lasts as well.
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These perverts and their Stormfront apologists need to be driven out of the movement at gun point if necessary. Bin the lot of them!

Not so long ago I was criticized for daring to speak out against these perverts - the Boston NV guy, Gordon Young, Strom, Fields. Fields even sent me a PM claiming the charges against him were "lies". (Well I got the very strong impression it was Fields.)

So now we have the truth, that many of us knew all along, about Fields. Simply not attending the perverts gathering is not enough. Further action, expulsion and removal from our space is required.

I might add a "well done" to Bill White for daring to speak out, like Ed Steele, against the pervert's paradise this movement has become and the need for exceptionally strong morality in terms of our dealings. As a father I can tell you that Fields would be a dead man if he came near my kids.

Our response to Fields and his fellow travellers who hold considerable power within this thing of ours need to be finally got rid of, by all means at our disposal.

It's all about our collective character when all said and done.

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See how long the hero that posted it lasts as well.

It would now appear that both are gone, with the poster "hell-banned."

Seems as if Mr. Steele was right on target, as usual: painful truths are now unwelcome at SF. I guess at this point the interesting episode will be the actual "conference" itself.

This refusal to allow Ed Steele's voice may well be the final turning point down for "WN." Perhaps out of this dissolution and change will come a new beginning - much needed.

The Augean stables to be cleaned seem to be of our own...
 
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It would now appear that both are gone, with the poster "hell-banned."
Seems as if Mr. Steele was right on target, as usual: painful truths are now unwelcome at SF. I guess at this point the interesting episode will be the actual "conference" itself.

This refusal to allow Ed Steele's voice may well be the final turning point down for "WN." Perhaps out of this dissolution and change will come a new beginning - much needed.

The Augean stables to be cleaned seem to be of our own...
Black is taking the "wait till Strom is found guilty" ploy before the trumpets start sounding and Strom will be banned. However Fields is a convicted child pederast, yet he is still allowed to post on Stormfront (however he has not posted since 12/26/06 ( keeping a low profile eh Joe ?)... He is still posting on his Yahoo Group as if nothing is happening.

Yet again proof, if proof is needed, that SF , < by their actions > are condoning child pederasts within itz ranks.

This "movement" needs to be cleanzed !!!

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It would now appear that both are gone, with the poster "hell-banned."

Seems as if Mr. Steele was right on target, as usual: painful truths are now unwelcome at SF. I guess at this point the interesting episode will be the actual "conference" itself.

This refusal to allow Ed Steele's voice may well be the final turning point down for "WN." Perhaps out of this dissolution and change will come a new beginning - much needed.

The Augean stables to be cleaned seem to be of our own...
No surprises there. They put me on moderation.
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Dear Edgar,

Needless to say, I am even more disappointed in you, following our telephone conversation on Friday the 9th, than I was upon reading your rant against Joe. I told you a number of things that make a substantial difference; yet you chose to ignore them all, and refused to apologize for anything.

FRATRICIDE: Isn’t it amazing how the Jews and the left wing close ranks and protect their members who come under attack -- yet the right wing behave like brainless fish or squawking chickens who, upon perceiving that one of their members is wounded, proceed to peck and bite that wounded member until it dies. Higher animals such as elephants aid their wounded comrades.

Your obduracy and venom in this particular case are so out of proportion to the charges that they suggest an ulterior motive, or underlying problem; your objectivity is certainly very clouded, especially for an attorney.

I realize that some ten percent of all boys in this sickened country have been molested (and twenty percent of girls). Those who have themselves been molested can become volatile over the subject; such as in the case of the character played by Tim Robbins in Clint Eastwood’s prize-winning masterpiece Mystic River.

I can only guess at the reason, Edgar, but your usual objectivity is absent from your reaction in this case. Let me assure you that as a mother, I understand rage against child molesters and especially the fury of those who were once victims themselves, but Joe Fields is neither a pervert nor a predator, least of all on children. I am not a naďve woman, Edgar, nor am I so perceived; and I give you this assurance in all objectivity.

Joe will also stand up to these charges in a separate letter to follow.

THE FACTS: You know that Joe was charged with a bizarre misdemeanor, Child Annoyance under California Statute 647.6 “Child Annoyance and Child Molestation.” Illogically, this law combines a misdemeanor, Child Annoyance, with a felony, Molestation, under one heading.

As I mentioned to you, it is pointless to palaver long-distance about whether my activist husband was actually guilty of the government charges – his friends will believe in his innocence; you who do not know him, apparently do not. However, you should take cognizance of the fact that
* it was never claimed, even by a government that hates him, that any young person was ever touched, let alone molested;
* all the girls were sexually mature teenagers, one was actually 18 years old!
* None of them ever claimed that there had been any indecent exposure; and
* it was never claimed that any movie -- porn or otherwise-- was actually being made or contemplated. In fact the police admitted freely that they knew that there was no movie involved and that the invitation to be in a movie was not a serious offer. You're the lawyer! Perhaps you can explain to me why -- if they did have cause to believe he was guilty -- these Zionist tools would not have prosecuted him for producing child porn and done so to the fullest extent of the law?
* Even supposing some of those girls may have been interested; the encounter could not have gone any further as the name and ‘phone number he supposedly gave, were factitious. So much for the movie producer. . . .

Thus, the charges – even if you choose to believe the claims of the powers that rule Los Angeles -- would amount to nothing more than a rather clumsy substitute for a wolf-whistle from a man going through an early mid-life crisis; however these allegations were just sufficient to have him charged under this nefarious statute. As a lawyer, what do you think of such a fish-and-fowl law that could catch any man who ever wolf-whistled at an underage female?

In fact, as I told you on the phone Edgar, a cop from LA Police Intelligence Division met with Joe and asked him for his mailing list. When Joe, protecting the names and locations of our comrades, refused to hand it over, he was warned: “Your response to this request will determine where these charges go.” Of course, why take Joe's word when you can believe the L.A.P.D.?

THE ACTUAL CHARGES: Joe was accused of driving past some teenagers and asking them a question. There were three alleged instances, each lasting just seconds; one with an 18 year old; and the other two involving groups of teenagers – Whites with Mexicans -- with no indication as to which teenager he is supposed to have addressed in particular. Such a group situation is hardly conducive to raping anyone, nor to actually “picking up” anyone.

As I recall, the first alleged approach was an invitation to “be in a movie,” without any kind of movie being specified; in the next alleged encounter, apparently a girly asked “What kind of movie?”, and the response was allegedly “a porno”. Now this might indeed amount to an insult, and surely the girls might have been annoyed -- it might also, have been a sarcastic, reality call that like so many of the girls strutting about L.A. , they were dressed like porno actresses (supposing it happened that is).
The 18 year old was asked whether she wanted to “invest her money” – in what was not specified -- which can hardly be taken seriously.
It all sounds like some guy wising off at some girls dressed like sluts.

Thus, all the charges amount to at the very worst, is having “impure thoughts”, without any further action contemplated or attempted. In our natural, unadulterated law, these charges would never have been brought at all. Certainly, there are no “verbal sex crimes” or “sex thought crimes” in Europe , where they are more well-balanced.

Do you, on the contrary, think that verbal suggestions or insinuations should be prosecuted in the harshest manner possible, and that a person should pay for the rest of his life for a mid-life verbal indiscretion? This is neither Christian nor just. Perhaps you believe in the Muslim tradition of cutting off the hand of someone who steals an apple. Indeed, it is most curious for someone on our side, to subscribe to the NWO control tactic which makes “thoughts” a crime.

PAID IN FULL: Rest assured that Joe has paid by the bucketful for his real or trumped up indiscretions. In this ordeal, to which you are adding a new chapter, he was firstly represented by a lawyer who had no clue about what he was doing as he later admitted to our appeals attorney.

Then with our subsequent attorneys we fought onward, until we simply had no more money. “Not enough!” you screech, Edgar, a kindred spirit to Madame Dufarge, the vindictive hag in Charles Dickens’ Tale of Two Cities who sat knitting by the guillotine while heads were severed.

The fact that the alleged incidents occurred almost eleven years ago, and that there was never any such behavior either before or after (aren’t child molesters supposed to be 80% recidivist?) does not mitigate your icy judgmentalism. No, just as Police Inspector Javert in Victor Hugo’s Les Miserables, a novel of grace versus legalism, persecuted forever the former convict Jean Valjean, you intend to hunt Joe down and destroy him AS AN ACTIVIST, which is what his Zionist enemies failed to do. You attempt to cancel with the strokes of your keyboard all the good he has done and is doing.

THE PROCEEDINGS:
Edgar, you stated that
“I found no evidence of Fields appealing squat. He lied about that.”
Such incautious language from an attorney! And what a sweeping and false conclusion, for of course Joe did appeal! That is why we had an appeals attorney.

It appears that Joe has given you the name of his Appeals attorney, H. Peter Young, so I will tell you a little more about this man. He achieved great notoriety for his role in the Vietnam-era “Pentagon Papers” case. He is an admitted ultra liberal, but he is intellectually honest, and has a sense of justice, and a healthy distrust of the government. Although he is opposed to everything for which Joe has ever fought, he saw injustice here, and he saw “Star chamber” and so he decided to take up the cudgels on Joe’s behalf.

Young discovered that there had been an ex parte meeting with the first Judge (who subsequently died), the police, and the prosecution. The subject of this meeting was solely Joe’s politics – in their words, that he was a “Nazi”.

The transcript of this meeting was put in a sealed envelope and passed on to the succeeding judge to in order to color his judgment. Two files were kept, one for our defense--kept ignorant of this envelope--and one for the prosecution and the new judge. Peter Young discovered all these things and the whole cover up. He was totally opposed to the eventual plea bargain, but we just could not carry on; we had children to support and we could not even pay Peter his last fees.

Similar tactics are being used against Ernst Zundel: 'Bankrupt the activist' is the name of their game -- exhaust his nerves, his energies and his funds. They have stretched out Ernst's jail time and now his kangaroo trial over the course of three solid years, an ordeal spread over three countries, with dozens of hearings, some very brief, but all of which necessitate that lawyers and witnesses travel long and expensive distances over and over—paying for trains, for hotels, for flights and for meals. This is one of their tried and true methods—exhaust the innocent victim with fees and expenses until he caves in.

Way back in FDR's Sedition Trial against White activists, they dismissed well-heeled defendants and went after “the little guys,” grinding them into poverty and even one suicide. They moved the trial to Washington , DC , where none of the defendants lived, so their families could not constantly stand by them emotionally in court or travel to be there for every session. In the end, of course, the charges were dismissed; they were entirely bogus; the defendants were innocent but ruined.

I really have to wonder at you Edgar, joining forces with Tom Metzger, who is now effectively working for, or at least aiding Morris Dees, and who has always been jealous of Joe; and the obsessive Movement gossip Bill White, almost certainly an agent provocateur and a “former” anarchist, (this site thinks he is a Zionist agent
http://judicial-inc.biz/Bill_White.htm).

For what it is worth, Wikipedia reports that he has over 30 real estate properties in Roanoke, worth $3 million. How is he able to make these purchases, and how is it that he can indulge in illegal activities against Webb--a major senatorial candidate who was a key to the national Democrat victory in November 2006 that gave the Democrats the Senate -- boast about it on his website
http://www.overthrow.com/lsn/news.asp?articleID=9936
and yet nothing happens to him? What a charmed life he leads.

Metzger and White are the instigators trying to sabotage Joe’s conference “No More Wars for Israel .” Through using these ancient charges against Joe, they openly aim at much bigger fish in the right-wing pond who have always stood by him. But now these dirt-scoopers have a champion in you, Edgar. My, my! The Jews must be paralytic with laughter, as the “white wing” cannibalizes itself. They can just sit back and watch as you attempt to destroy the arsenal of speakers, activists and proven doers, Joe is arraying!

And all this because Joe committed the “crime” of paying you the compliment of inviting you to speak at the conference! Why couldn’t you just have declined? You accepted the invitation firmly. True, some of the others did not give a firm commitment, but many conference organizers publicize the intended speakers before the final confirmation is received. You should know that! In this case, Joe actually sent this line-up to only a few people on his list, and one of them decided on his own initiative, to post it publicly.

SEEING OURSELVES AS OTHERS SEE US : You fancy yourself as Edgar Steele, Esq., but you are a neophyte in our movement. We and others like us who have been in it for years welcomed you into our ranks because you speak and write quite well, but let's not become over-impressed with ourselves. You really don’t bring much new to our movement; all your pieces are opinion pieces, sent off with a mouse-click. How many conferences have you organized? What demonstrations have you led? How many T.V. shows have you been on? Have you done original historical research for our Cause, or unearthed scandals in current events? Have you slugged it out in a political race against Zion ? That's what the real leaders do.

Joe has been involved in this battle, since long before you came into it, Edgar. You owe him respect for that. And far from his organization having collapsed, he has been holding meetings regularly all the while. This conference is unusual only in that it is a two day event, but we have held big meetings many times. We are an ongoing thorn in the enemy's side.

Joe may have gained weight now, as some people do under stress. But in the 1990s he was young, very good-looking and articulate (and he still is): He ran for public office twice and did very well, despite a severe lack of funds, and ferocious media opposition. He had real potential to convey our message to a wide audience, so at the very least, it was desirable to our enemies that he should be brought down.

But an arriviste named Edgar Steele now presumes to set himself up as the chairman of the regulatory board of the “WN movement” to remove “wrong types” -- of his definition of course -- and too bad if it thereby sabotages what promises to be yet another effective conference by veteran doer Joe Fields.

I have to ask you Edgar, are we so lacking in targets amongst the NWO that you need to shoot in the back those on our side? No? Then if you are on the side of the WN Cause, you need to back off.

That you have declined to accept Joe’s invitation to speak at the conference has been well noted and your name removed. If ever, you are again invited to speak by someone you dislike, refuse politely, like a gentleman.

POINT-BY-POINT: One really has to wonder about your bona fides when you tell me that you will not apologize though your allegations are patently false.

For instance, you claim that:
“The most recent extended descriptions by Bill White, posted at his site, Overthrow.com, and in this thread are accurate in all respects, so I will not recount the details. “

You know full well that Bill White alleges that Joe:
“raped little girls in front of his video camera for his home-viewing pleasure.”

This is a blatant lie!

This was never even claimed in any of the police charges. If it had been, he would have been charged with felony counts of rape and producing child porn, not misdemeanor child annoyance.

Also, he claims that the alleged “victims” were pre-pubescent “nine year” olds, whereas they were underage teenagers, not children, and one was 18 years old. Read the record.

Actually, Bill White didn’t get anything right; not the above, and not anything concerning Joe’s relations to David Duke, Jamie Kelso, Don Black, Kevin Strom or Bo Gritz.

You also naively state that
“The statute, which makes it illegal to "molest or annoy any child under the age of 18,"
is not used lightly or frivolously. Not in LA, where the cops and the DAs have far
more real work to do than they can handle.”

You are really remarkably credulous for someone who claims to see through the NWO;' and you have an amazing faith in the integrity of its institutions! How silly of us, of course, ZOG's police (fresh from a sensitivity course held by the ADL) would never be diverted from writing tickets to arrest a hated activist on trumped-up charges!

Just ask the victims of FDR's Sedition Trial in 1944-46, or the men at Nuremberg found “guilty” of the “Holocaust.” Just ask all the victims of the FBI's COINTELPRO. Just ask James Earl Ray, or Lee Harvey Oswald--except they were disposed of.

The word, Edgar, is “railroading.” Take a course on it. It can happen even in the City of Angels .

And don't think the bureaucracy grinds down only our people. Just recently, there was the case of a teacher who told an immodestly dressed student that she should go home and change as her nipples were visible through her blouse. He was subsequently charged under the same statute as Joe.

Remember too the earlier case of another teacher who put his arm around a student to comfort her. She broke down in court, and ironically, her own attorney in that open courtroom also put his arm around her to comfort her!

In this Brave New World, we all are indictable as criminals.

You further write of
“Solicitation of children for sexual purposes, which is all to which Fields pled guilty,”

Once again, this is remarkably imprecise language for an attorney: You know perfectly well, that broke, he pled nolo contendre -- he no longer contested -- to “Child annoyance.” And you know perfectly well that if he had been charged with the above as you contend, he would have been prosecuted for child porn.

Which brings us to another of Bill White’s allegations that you endorse as being accurate in all respects, viz. that child porn movies were confiscated from Joe. You know full well that it is a felony to possess child porn, so if that were true; he would have been prosecuted for that too. Or was ZOG just being nice that day?

There’s a lot more Edgar, but this missive is becoming boring. The bottom line is that you have made false statements regarding Joe, and lent credence to many more egregious statements made by full-time disruptors White and Metzger.

Your actions in attacking Joe may well be construed as an attempt to sabotage a conference, highly objectionable to our enemies, at a time when Israel is plummeting in the opinion polls, and to smear all the major nationalist activists that are linked to Joe.

I’d like to give you the benefit of the doubt Edgar, but if you really are bona fide, you’ll retract, apologize, and quit trying to shoot nationalists in the back! And you'll be doing yourself a favor, because now the shadow is on you.

A GREATER MIND EVEN THAN EDGAR STEELE. Here is an extract from Victor Hugo’s Les Misérables, his magnum opus about justice gone wild, and about a judgmental man who hounds others into the ground. Yet grace triumphs, after all.

Inspector Javert has just spotted Jean Valjean, who served 19 years for stealing food and trying to escape, and has resurfaced under a new name, “Monsieur Madeleine,” and has become a successful factory owner and useful citizen.

Javert was a complete character, who never had a wrinkle in his duty or in his uniform; methodical with malefactors, rigid with the buttons of his coat. … He stood erect in the half-open door. . .…
The instant that [Jean Valjean’s] glance encountered Javert's glance, Javert, without stirring, without moving from his post, without approaching him, became terrible.
No human sentiment can be as terrible as joy. It was the visage of a demon who has just found his damned soul.
The satisfaction of at last getting hold of Jean Valjean caused all that was in his soul to appear in his countenance. … The deformity of triumph overspread that narrow brow. All the demonstrations of horror that a satisfied face can yield were there.
Javert was in heaven at that moment. Without putting the thing clearly to himself, but with a confused intuition of the necessity of his presence and of his success, he, Javert, personified justice, light, and truth in their celestial function of crushing out evil. Behind him and all around him to an infinite distance, he had become authority, reason, the case to be judged, the legal conscience, the public prosecution, all the stars in the sky; he was protecting order, he was causing the laws to thunder, he was avenging society, lending a helping hand to Absolute Good and standing erect in the midst of glory.
There existed in his victory a touch of defiance and of combat. Erect, haughty and brilliant, he flaunted abroad in open day the superhuman bestiality of a ferocious archangel. The terrible shadow of the social sword was visible in his clenched fist; happy and completely indignant, he ground his heel upon crime, vice, rebellion, perdition and hell; he was radiant; he exterminated, he smiled; there was an incontestable grandeur in this monstrous archangel Michael.
Javert, though frightful, had nothing ignoble about him.
Probity, sincerity, candor, conviction, the sense of duty, are things which may prove hideous when wrongly applied ; but even when hideous, they seem grand: their majesty, the majesty of the human conscience, sticks to them while they commit horrors; they are virtues which have one vice,--error.
The honest, pitiless joy of a fanatic in the full flood of his atrocious measures does preserve a certain dark radiance. Yet, without himself suspecting the fact, Javert in his formidable happiness was to be pitied, as is every ignorant man who triumphs. Nothing could be so poignant and so terrible as this face of Javert, wherein was displayed all that may be designated as the evil of the good.

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all the girls were sexually mature teenagers, one was actually 18 years old!

This was the basis of the biological impulse vs. trascendent idea argument. Boy, was that a messy thread. LOL.

Mrs. Fields makes some good points but I still think highly of Metzger.

As a lawyer, I doubt that Edgar Steele would be permitted to associate with Joe Fields because of his conviction.

I wouldn't doubt a minute that the LAPD trumped up the charges. Has anyone seen the average Myspace teenaged female? I doubt that Joe Fileds offended their sensibilities.

As for sexually mature teenage girls, KD REBEL fits the bill. If they are not sexually mature, they can still do my laundry.
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If the rebuttal has any merit then let's see some of the court filings. I have great respect for Mr. Steele and I doubt if he goes off half-cocked as this letter has alleged. The movement has a problem with molesters.

Here is one person's attempt to try and bring pedophilia into the "norm".

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From: John Bryant [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 9:12 AM
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Subject: Response on pedo

Ed:

I am posting this today as a Weekly Letter. If you care to respond, I will post your letter. -j

Let’s Get Real About Pedophilia

Note: This essay is the third (and hopefully final) one in a series I have written on pedophilia. The other essays are found at

http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Lbtn...tarianView.htm

and should be read along with the one below for a full explication of my views. It is written in response to a recent denunciation by Ed Steele of two men who have had legal troubles because of their involvement with pedophilia.

In recent weeks it has been revealed that two white racialist leaders have been in some wise involved with pedophilia. I am shocked, SHOCKED! Which is to say, I am not particularly shocked at all. More to the point, I think it is time for people to stop bloviating and hyperventilating about this
particular subject, and look at it without playing the game that Eric Berne so properly identified as “Ain’t It Awful!”

To begin, we need to realize that the bloviating and hyperventilating about pedophilia generally comes from the political Right. That is logical, because the Right is that part of the political spectrum which tends toward intolerance, especially intolerance of sex, but also intolerance of just about everything else which deviates from the norm, including different religions, different races, different nationalities, different tastes, different looks, and you name it. In contrast to the Right is the Left, which is famous for tolerance, but which is rightfully criticized by the Right for tolerating everything under the sun, no matter how bad, how ugly or how evil — except, of course, for people of the Right, who are never tolerated.

Now given these observations, let us ask, What is a True Crime, ie, what is something which would be recognized as a crime by everyone everywhere? The answer is that a True Crime — as opposed to something which is merely defined as a crime by legislation — is an act in which one person does
substantial physical harm to another beyond the limits of contract or self-defense. True Crimes, then, would include stealing, vandalism, bodily harm or substantial emotional harm, but would not include name-calling, libel and perhaps other things that have been defined as crimes by our legislatures.

Now with the above in mind, let us ask, Is pedophilia a True Crime? The answer, I think, is clearly No. No one has ever shown that pedophilia AS SUCH harms anyone, and all claims of harm are purely speculative. Yes, the way in which an act of pedophilia is carried out may be harmful — rape, for example — but pedophilia is not rape except perhaps in the legal sense (’statutory rape’). There is, however, one way in which pedophilia is frequently harmful, namely, that it causes the perpetrators to spend substantial time behind bars where they are almost invariably the subject of rape and where they are taught the pleasures of homosexual perversion. And of course where their lives are ruined.

But while pedophilia is not a True Crime, it IS a POLITICAL crime, because the political forces which have turned it into a (legislative) crime are precisely those of the (sexually intolerant) political Right. As I pointed out in an earlier essay, these are the folks who dislike ‘deviance’ in any form, whether sexual, racial, national, educational or any other. It is they who insist that you and I walk the strait and narrow, and, curiously, it is also they who — probably as a result of the build-up of pressures caused by their prudery — very often turn into the ‘deviants’ that they spend so much time denouncing. (Indeed, the very fact that a lot of Right-wingers spend so much time denouncing ‘deviance’ and are so ready to impose draconian punishments for it on others, may be a reflection of their fear that they themselves are ‘deviants’, as a surprising number have turned out to be.) All this is why I am not particularly shocked that our
(Right-wing) racialists have been caught dabbling in pedophilia.

In short, I think that all the hoo-ha and hyperventilation over pedophilia is much do-do about pretty much nothing, and I think it is time for the Right to get over its apoplectic intolerance of a practice which is already rife among the elite, which is likely to become largely accepted in the future, about which there is no good evidence that it is harmful, and which
– as explained in earlier essays — desperately needs to be legalized in order to reduce instances of abuse.
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Old February 20th, 2007 #56
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If the rebuttal has any merit then let's see some of the court filings. I have great respect for Mr. Steele and I doubt if he goes off half-cocked as this letter has alleged. The movement has a problem with molesters.

Here is one person's attempt to try and bring pedophilia into the "norm".


http://www.answp.com/forum/showthrea...=2106#post2106
I agree about Mr. Steele's merit.

About the article-

Pedophilia does not harm anyone? You are FUCKING NUTS and should be hung!!!!!! Child molestation DESTROYS children. You are fucking nuts to say otherwise. Child molestation is a true crime. Any sexual overtures to a pre pubescent child should be met with death.

Conversely, sex with a sexually mature teenager that is not chronologically an adult is a political crime and that is where the debate gets heated and I admit that there are good points to both sides.

I don't know Joe Fields and would have to judge him by his behaviour but I would have grounds to doubt his deviance. With the charges that were levelled against him, I would think it best to step aside. (Hint to any alumni of the Federal Witness Protection Program)
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Old February 21st, 2007 #57
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What a brave "White Nationlist" husband Deirdre you have ....

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Also, he claims that the alleged “victims” were pre-pubescent “nine year” olds, whereas they were underage teenagers, not children, and one was 18 years old. Read the record. - Deirdre you failed to mention the under age children were Mexican's.
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* all the girls were sexually mature teenagers, one was actually 18 years old! ....Mexican's too
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THE FACTS: You know that Joe was charged with a bizarre misdemeanor, Child Annoyance under California Statute 647.6 “Child Annoyance and Child Molestation.” Illogically, this law combines a misdemeanor, Child Annoyance, with a felony, Molestation, under one heading.
..Illogical or not THAT is what he was charged with.
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* it was never claimed that any movie -- porn or otherwise-- was actually being made or contemplated. In fact the police admitted freely that they knew that there was no movie involved and that the invitation to be in a movie was not a serious offer... in fact as you state an offer WAS made to appear in a movie
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As I recall, the first alleged approach was an invitation to “be in a movie,” without any kind of movie being specified; in the next alleged encounter, apparently a girly asked “What kind of movie?”, and the response was allegedly “a porno”. Now this might indeed amount to an insult, and surely the girls might have been annoyed -- Oh now he did ask them to be in a movie
Here is what happend, old horny Joe was crusing around looking for some under age Mexican ass to take somewhere and film pornographic movies with them, and proberbly sell them to. The fact that even these Mexican's were disgusted by the approach by a 'mature' man - the Police got involved. The old saying there is no smoke without fire. They can muddle this all up and blame "ZOG" ... Thats what Pervert Kevin Strom is going to do < ah but his brave wife filmed him jerking off to little kiddies on his computer> Dam those cameras !

I for one believe that Joe Fields is a sick pervert and should not be is this "movement" and all activities of his should be shunned.

Note* I believe David Duke is a thief who used around 2-3 Million of his supporters money on hookers and gambling.

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Unlike me, who often works by intuition, Ed Steele did a ton of research before making his statement, and discovered some stuff that even I didn't know about this.

Fields was convicted of "molesting / annoying" children. This basically means talking dirty to them.

The whole excuse being made avoids the central point: Why was Joe Fields, a married man in his thirties, driving around making any sort of comments to groups of underage non-white girls? I don't do that. Most normal men don't do that. Why was he?

And why was he sentenced to one year in prison? That's a very strong sentence for a first offense. It wasn't political. What was it?

What it was is that he did something seriously wrong.
 
Old February 28th, 2007 #59
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THE EVIL OF THE GOOD?

Dear Edgar,

Needless to say, I am even more disappointed in you, following our telephone conversation on Friday the 9th, than I was upon reading your rant against Joe...Deirdre Fields
Deirdre, I only this minute finished reading your long posting here. I have not ignored you, I just haven't checked in here for a while.

I spoke to you at length on the phone against my better judgment because of our past correspondence and my immense respect for your good work. My respect was not abated by your spirited defense of your husband. Nor is it much diminished by your ad-hominem attack upon me in this forum. I understand.

I respect you for standing by your man. You represent the very finest in the women of our race and I would expect no less from you than what you have done in Joe's defense, though the vituperation was a little more than I like to see. That is why I must risk further insulting you by making any sort of response now. I'll be brief.

Neither Metzger nor White had any influence upon me or my research. They merely provided me with jumping-off points. I crawled through the on-line court files myself. I stand by every single word I have said. I will not repeat it, nor will I elaborate beyond what I already have said in this forum and to a very limited circle in the WN movement.

Unless I have evidence that you have circulated your posting beyond this forum, this posting is the sole medium I will employ for this response. Note that I have said nothing to my list nor have I posted anything at my web site. This affair does not reflect well upon the movement, of course.

I felt forced to make the initial statement because of being called out here in this very forum. Had I known of Joe's history, I would have declined the invitation and that would have been the end of it. Joe has done some very good work. I encourage him to continue to do so, but to do it in the background where he will not be getting potshots from others.

Children are particularly sacred to me. I cannot and will not stand by and be accused of condoning pedophilia in any regard. What did he do? I don't care. The file makes clear that Joe went much too far for my ethical standards. Others are entitled to hew to different standards, including yourself.

As I said, I have immense respect for your willingness to stand up as you have and defend your husband, despite the shots you now have taken in this very forum for doing so. Your work on behalf of White South Africa is immensely important and I respect that, as well. Joe is a lucky man to have you and any man hereabouts would be proud, I think, to have so worthy a mate.

I sincerely regret the impact this dustup has had upon you and your family, but I had no choice. I would do it again, just as I did. I wish this had not occurred. I do not lightly make such a statement, as I noted at the outset. Nevertheless, I stand by it.

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Oh my how quickly we turn on each other. How we foam at the mouth when we find one of our own committing sin. Maybe it makes us feel better about our own sins. The bigger a leader gets, the more good hearted WN's out him for the greater good of the movement.

All of our leaders are pedophiles now. Isn't it only fitting? After all, Americans see no sin as great as pedophilia, and no monster greater than the racist white man. It only makes sense that the monsters of society all be guilty of the ultimate sin.

When the American judiciary system is nothing more than America's favorite game show, complete with silly rules, and amoral representatives. Two contestants enter the room. The host of this game show, the honorable Judge Goldstein. And meet our 12 puppet judges who will award you points for every good argument your arbiter provides. If he can shock the jury, or make their eyes misty, you score a perfect 10. The host/judge says "all right players, time is up. Jury, who do you think played a better game?" they make a unanimous decision on which judiciary performer (lawyer) put on the most spectacular performance, and declare him a victory, and his client the winner. The losing lawyer gets his pay from the client he failed to score a victory for, and then he closes up his briefcase knowing this is one less notch he can put on his belt. The loser pays cash to the winner, or goes to jail. Win, lose, or draw, the courts make their money either way.

Besides being a really fun game show/reality TV, our courts, like all courts under a tyranny, are the right hand of the tyrannical government. It is with this branch of government all dissidents will be silenced.

In this type of court, in this day of so called justice, should any political extremist/dissident really be looked upon as guilty?

People pledge money to help out family, friends, and political prisoners. They give money for a legal defense that always ends up being with a lawyer, and the defendant copping a plea to serve a couple of years versus a lifetime.

Our courts run on money. Supporting it only increases its appetite. We must study the judicial system, find its jugular vain, and cut it deep and fast. When District Attorneys are held accountable for their accusations, and prosecuting clients are held responsible for their accusations, and the judges fear us as a political pressure group that makes or breaks them, then our courts will go back to a somewhat respectable state.

But let's not forget that until that day comes, we're all guilty. Guilty of everything the system accuses us of. We're all pedophiles, because racists are monsters. We're all pedophiles because that is today's boogie man. Every male is a potential rapist, and every white male a potential pedophile.

Pedophilia: The crime your guilty of, even when your not.

Our downfall will be our lack of cohesion and individual tolerance. Our over enthusiastic desire to rid all things unpleasant. Our paranoia and jealousy.

When a Jew is accused of a crime, they pull together. And by doing so they rule over all others. When one of our own is accused, we damn him before his trial even starts.

We must assume all WN’s to be innocent of their crimes against ZOG and the ZOG puppets (all non WN’s). It is better that some crooks and perverts slip through the cracks and into our movement via our “benefit of the doubt” policy, than it is to convict everyone of us as guilty just because ZOG pointed their finger.

The ADL was started by Jews defending a pedophile. We tear each other apart just over the accusation. That, is truly a strange but important difference in Jewish vs Gentile behavior.

Furthermore, we must stop this nonsense about what we can and can’t do because it’s the Aryan thing to do, or it’s the Jewish thing to do. We must stop looking at white people as one of us. White people are our immediate primary enemies. We must view them as dangerous zombies who may or may not be liberated from their Jewish puppet masters and recruited into our movement. They are potential WN’s, but they are potential enemies as well- never forget that!

Even the Jews have turned on their own kind when Jews began to oppose the Jewish clique in power. Instead of condemning the Jews for their actions, we need to be taking lessons from them. After all, it is they who are in power, and they didn’t acquire this power by acting “Aryan”. If we want their power, we’re going to have to play their game.

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The old saying there is no smoke without fire. They can muddle this all up and blame "ZOG" ... Thats what Pervert Kevin Strom is going to do < ah but his brave wife filmed him jerking off to little kiddies on his computer> Dam those cameras !
Really? And where did you see this video? Quickly now, post a link so that you can prove once and for all that Kevin really does get off to child porn.
 
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