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Old September 14th, 2009 #81
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Of course, a section of that crowd will be as unconvertable..
The problem is that the nonconvertible among republicans approaches 100%. And, I have tried with everything I know for years.

Years ago, maybe something like ten years ago, I read an essay by Bill White. I wish I could find it now. I can only approximate what he wrote. After some serious attempts to communicate with men of an older generation, he decided that it was impossible. The men he was attempting to talk to were either the WWII generation, or the generation after that (my generation,) but they were invincible in their beliefs.

And, their beliefs are, "God bless America, and God bless the Republican party. God bless our great ally, Israel, and God bless our boys who are fighting the Muslims over there so that we don't have to fight them here."

If you can convert them, good luck. I've tried for years, and I've never gotten a republican to move a fraction of a centimeter.

If we are going to win, or even make a little progress toward winning, we will find allies other than fat, country-club, republicans.

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Old September 14th, 2009 #82
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Of course, a section of that crowd will be as unconvertable and hostile as any leftist (for now) - you know, the ones all zio'd-up on Beck or Hannity. But that doesn't mean they are all like that or that networking isn't worth trying.

Who doesn't want you networking or reaching out to the mass of White folks, White man?
Tom, 80% of that D.C. crowd would be thrilled to have Sarah Palin as president in 2012. In what way can we hope to influence them?
 
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Tom, 80% of that D.C. crowd would be thrilled to have Sarah Palin as president in 2012. In what way can we hope to influence them?
Why don't you just give up Jahn?
 
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Why don't you just give up Jahn?
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Old September 14th, 2009 #85
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If you can convert them, good luck. I've tried for years, and I've never gotten a republican to move a fraction of a centimeter.

If we are going to win, or even make a little progress toward winning, we will find allies other than fat, country-club, republicans.

Mike
I was thinking about the average, misled White Conservative voter more than hardcore country club Republicans. After all, the Republican party must be destroyed.

But I understand your point.
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Old September 14th, 2009 #86
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I'm not Jahn.
There are at least three people on this forum who think otherwise.

BTW, I suspected it was you again even before this thread, your posts here just confirmed it Mr Pink Floyd keyboard player. It opened my eyes to what your gang is trying to do here as well.

Antis don't want us even trying to reach out to White people, we must be alienated from the White masses. Got it.
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Old September 14th, 2009 #87
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There are at least three people on this forum who think otherwise.
Who thinks that?
 
Old September 14th, 2009 #88
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BTW, I suspected it was you again even before this thread, your posts here just confirmed it Mr Pink Floyd keyboard player.
What's wrong with liking Pink Floyd?
 
Old September 14th, 2009 #89
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There are still some things to be impressed with. At least people got out.They protested, and the rally reminded me of those I went to in DC when I was in the anti-Central America intervention movement in the eighties.

Numbers are good. Also, this was fairly spontaneous, and the boys in power don't like that. This wasn't on the agenda.

More people dislike Obama than they thought. I think a lot of whites REALLY
can't stand him, and already his administration is stalling. Again, the tribe and
their fellows weren't expecting this.

So far, it's a bourgeois protest, so don't expect it to get ugly. Also, there is no real conservative party or leaders. I think many people are getting that.
Yes, sadly, Palin is who they want, but who else is there? Bush gutted the
conservatives.

I think it's an opportunity for us to start building on people's discontent. Yes, they're patriotards, but they're unhappy patriotards. Gotta start somewhere.

And the Beltway as well as the tribe are AFRAID of this sort of thing.
It BOTHERS them to see white people in this number protesting.
 
Old September 14th, 2009 #90
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Since the city's plagued with them, were there many 'gro's or mezzo's milling around on the sidelines? Seems like they'd be casing for victims.
I forgot all about this thing or I would've monitored the DC scanner-link for a while.
 
Old September 14th, 2009 #91
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The entire D.C. rally was centered around Glenn Beck's new book which only came out in July.
What was the quote that Alex has brought up on numerous occasions? Something about how "it was all a game, a way to make money".
 
Old September 14th, 2009 #92
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Tom, 80% of that D.C. crowd would be thrilled to have Sarah Palin as president in 2012. In what way can we hope to influence them?
That's the challenge isn't it? That's the fun of it - trying to figure out in what way you can manipulate and use these folks in the furtherance of your own polical agenda. I see a lot of defeatism in this thread from people complaining that these folks aren't radical enough, or ideologically pure enough. Guess what? That's ALWAYS going to be the case, because in life you have a small number of people that are capable of understanding the big picture, and a large number of average folk. The kikes understand this principle, and not only is it codified in their philosophy, but it is used by them to acheive their political ends. Do you think the kikes really believe in crap like global warming, feminism, and a million other silly movements? Of course not - gullible leftist goy activist are just useful idiots to them.

Now seeing this unorganized crowd of mouthbreathers that are kind of hinting on the fringes of real political issues, WN should be asking themselves, "how can I manipulate these patriotards, how can I push them in a direction, using any means possible, that is benefical to our cause".
 
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I've been surfing various neokahn and also libtard blogs the last couple of days. You should see the vitriol and in-fighting going back and forth over arguments like the exact head count of the march and how many of the participants had "inappropriate" signs and whatnot. One side is trying desperately to downplay this thing although the other side is not without its illusions either.

One particularly ridiculous point that has been raised is that an early claim that D.C. officials called the march the "largest in the city's history" was actually something that some official said back in January in regards to the Obongo innigeration. How that got turned into a statement about the 9/12 march is beyond me.

For example, read littlegreenfootballs.com, a former right-wing neocohen site recently turned to the left but still rabidly pro-Jew. They have been obsessing about the 9/12 marchers for days now and never seem to get tired of ridiculing them, when they're not painting them as the next wave of domestic "terrorism." Be sure to type the URL in a fresh browser window as the site will not allow hot linking from vnnforum ... the link will go to the Israel Defense Forces site (LOL.)

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Old September 15th, 2009 #94
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That's the challenge isn't it? That's the fun of it - trying to figure out in what way you can manipulate and use these folks in the furtherance of your own polical agenda. I see a lot of defeatism in this thread from people complaining that these folks aren't radical enough, or ideologically pure enough. Guess what? That's ALWAYS going to be the case, because in life you have a small number of people that are capable of understanding the big picture, and a large number of average folk. The kikes understand this principle, and not only is it codified in their philosophy, but it is used by them to acheive their political ends. Do you think the kikes really believe in crap like global warming, feminism, and a million other silly movements? Of course not - gullible leftist goy activist are just useful idiots to them.

Now seeing this unorganized crowd of mouthbreathers that are kind of hinting on the fringes of real political issues, WN should be asking themselves, "how can I manipulate these patriotards, how can I push them in a direction, using any means possible, that is benefical to our cause".
Agree, but conditions aren't bad enough to move (most of) these people in the right direction yet.

We need a post WW1 Germany economic scenario in order to do that. We need the masses of Whites to suffer extremely harsh conditions - starvation, lack of utilities/shelter, lack of police protection/out of control mud crime, etc.

Basically, the infrastructure has to completely collapse.

However, I'm not saying we should sit on our asses. We should be planning / preparing, spreading knowledge now. Just don't expect fantastic results, you will only get a few of these folks to listen, but it still serves a purpose and is a noble endeavor.
 
Old September 15th, 2009 #95
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I talked to some of the people who were at this rally and, as referenced above, it was a Glenn Beck / Sean Hannity / even a Limbaugh thing. I saw a reference to Limburger in their literature and asked if he was endorsing the thing or if they were ridiculing him. "Oh no, he's one of us".

This is the same stuff that happened during Clinton's terms. A Republican thing. If McCain had been elected it wouldn't have happened.

Many home-schooler types. Unfortunately, their idea of home-schooling consists of the same as public school format, with Israel-as-God style Bible teaching added.

I've approached hundreds of this type over the years. They will not listen to anything that isn't broadcast to them on the radio. All you have to see to know this is their signs protesting taxes - overwhelmingly the most. Not only because it's safe, per the sponsors, but because they can't see any further than that - what they've been told.

I've placed many a wager with these folks, on whether they'll have any effect. Never collected because they can't ever remember what happened the year before.
 
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That's the challenge isn't it? That's the fun of it - trying to figure out in what way you can manipulate and use these folks in the furtherance of your own polical agenda. I see a lot of defeatism in this thread from people complaining that these folks aren't radical enough, or ideologically pure enough. Guess what? That's ALWAYS going to be the case, because in life you have a small number of people that are capable of understanding the big picture, and a large number of average folk. The kikes understand this principle, and not only is it codified in their philosophy, but it is used by them to acheive their political ends. Do you think the kikes really believe in crap like global warming, feminism, and a million other silly movements? Of course not - gullible leftist goy activist are just useful idiots to them.

Now seeing this unorganized crowd of mouthbreathers that are kind of hinting on the fringes of real political issues, WN should be asking themselves, "how can I manipulate these patriotards, how can I push them in a direction, using any means possible, that is benefical to our cause".
They're already useful to us. These are tax protesters and opponents of government spending. That's now the focus of the right wing masses. Not the war on terror. For years the right wing was totally hijacked by the neoconservatives. All their energy went into defending the Iraq invasion and demanding an invasion of Iran. Their defeat in 2006 and 2008 and the failure of the occupation to produce the pro-zionist Muslim democracy that the neocons claimed was just waiting to bloom has forced a reassessment on them. I saw this coming on the right wing boards a few years ago, and even in the spin being put out by the right wing pundits. When George Will turned on Bush it was over.

If you asked these right wingers if they still support the troops and the war on terror most would claim they do. But the fire has gone out of them. Especially among the leadership. The right wing pundits know that the war on terror has been a disaster for the right. It's absorbed all their energy and turned them into supporters of a gigantic, expensive globalist crusade. It's eliminated any pretense of fiscal conservatism and given the left a powerful talking point that the right can't possibly refute, namely "If you can spend $1 trillion on Iraq why can't we spend $1 trillion on our cities, health care..." They can read the polling which shows that, even before the financial crisis hit, support for Republicans eroded along with support for the war.

After Obama won the right wingers had to make a choice. Go back to the dark days of being the loyal opposition, a permanent minority party, or get behind some popular issues that could unite the right and attract independents back to the Republican party.

They made the right decision. The Tea Parties focus on their strongest issues. The health care town halls, disrupted by the same sort of populist opponents of big government, have put the brakes on Obama's socialized medicine express.

They're not aware of racial issues, at least not consciously, and not one will say a word against the jew in public, so how are these idiots useful to us?

The best result, from the WN perspective, is they've turned the right back into a formidable barrier to the jew agenda, rather than a part of it. The jew depends on federal control, and federal control rests on the ability of the feds to maintain order, economic and legal.

The tax protesters force the federal government to resort to money creation to fund its wars and bailouts. They make it politically impossible to raise taxes high enough to fully fund the jewish continental kibbutz. Every trillion dollars the Fed creates dilutes the value of the dollar and indirectly the standing of the jew's empire in the world.

The inability to raise taxes has already taken a toll on the jew's ability to continue their wars. More and more people, liberal, conservative and in between, are asking why we're spending money we don't have to occupy the middle east? And it looks like an attack on Iran is now out of the question.

So we should do nothing to discourage our useful idiots. If we can bring a few of them over to our side that's a bonus. But even if we don't they help us by defunding the jew empire, or as they like to say "starving the beast."
 
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