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Old September 15th, 2011 #1521
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Wow!

How can they argue with that? That is dynamite, to excuse the pun.
 
Old September 15th, 2011 #1522
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Default Susan Lindauer: CIA and 911

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Old September 18th, 2011 #1523
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Default The "Critics" of 9/11 Truth. Do They Have a Case?

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The short answer to the question in the title is no.

The 9/11 truth critics have nothing but ad hominem arguments.

Let’s examine the case against "the truthers" presented by Ted Rall, Ann Barnhardt, and Alexander Cockburn.

But first let’s define who "the truthers" are.

The Internet has made it possible for anyone to have a web site and to rant and speculate to their heart’s content. There are a large number of "9/11 conspiracy theorists".

Many on both sides of the issue are equally ignorant. Neither side has any shame about demonstrating ignorance.

Both sides of the issue have conspiracy theories.

9/11 was a conspiracy whether a person believes that it was an inside job or that a handful of Arabs outwitted the entire intelligence apparatus of the Western world and the operational response of NORAD and the US Air Force.

For one side to call the other conspiracy theorists is the pot calling the kettle black.

The question turns not on name-calling but on evidence.
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Old September 18th, 2011 #1524
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Old September 22nd, 2011 #1525
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Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad questions the 9/11 story at the United Nations general assembly.

http://www.citytv.com/toronto/cityne...s-9-11-history
http://www.lfpress.com/news/world/20.../18725106.html

Real world experiments trump speculations and computer animations.
If the world's Arab/Muslim people feel they have been falsely implicated in the 9/11 attacks why then they do not recreate one of the towers and fly a jetliner into it? Whether it would have collapsed similarly to the WTC towers 1 or 2 or held together for hours, days or months, at the very least a real world experiment (not just another questionable computer animation) would have put one of the key 9/11 questions to rest. This is what still puzzles me. Surely there are some very rich Arabs out there to whom the cost of such an experiment would be like pocket change.
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Old October 19th, 2011 #1526
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Old November 2nd, 2011 #1527
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Mysterious Deaths of 9/11 Witnesses, several relating to WTC 7




Pilots For 9/11 Truth Presents "9/11 INTERCEPTED"





Doomsday Plane - the Mystery 9/11 Plane




Hijacking the air defense




Who controlled the planes




Obstructing the investigation




Flight 93 Eyewitness Sees A Second Plane, Says Flight 93 Was Shot Down

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Old November 28th, 2011 #1528
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Mossad’s bomb truck image surfaces from day of 9/11

 
Old January 22nd, 2012 #1529
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Old February 1st, 2012 #1530
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Old February 1st, 2012 #1531
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Mysterious Deaths of 9/11 Witnesses (MUST SEE)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...v=bvay28lZiHU#!
 
Old February 16th, 2012 #1532
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What's the government's official conspiracy theory on how and why Building 7 collapsed again?

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Old March 20th, 2012 #1533
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http://lewrockwell.com/orig11/scott-pd15.1.html

Launching the U.S. Terror War: the CIA, 9/11, Afghanistan, and Central Asia
Bush’s Terror War and the Fixing of Intelligence
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Old April 4th, 2012 #1534
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Default Over Ten Years Ago.

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Uploaded by truthinvideos on Sep 6, 2011

The point of this video is many lies were told in the 9/11 commission's report. The 9/11 commission doesn't state 93 was shot down. The 9/11 truthers have been saying ever since that day it was shot down. This confession coupled with so much other evidence helps to prove what we've known for years. When you do the research and stop relying on assumptions.....it is indeed a no brainer.
Chris Wallace mentions a very specific plane when he says to Dick "You are the one that gave the direct order to shoot down a plane that you were told as it turns out incorrectly was headed for Washington". Dick goes on to prove it was 93 when he mentions the other 3 planes in question on that day. That 3 being the 2 planes that went into the towers and the 3rd plane that allegedly went into the Pentagon. That left only 1 plane and that plane was 93. 93 was headed for bldg7 for a grand finale. The passengers retook the plane. Now the drone 93 can't make it's rendezvous with bldg7. They didn't have a contingency plan if the passengers revolted. The true perps panic and have it shot down. Voila...you have an 8 mile debris field and the severe lack of plane crash evidence at the site. That day the MSM reported that 93 was believed to be headed for Washington. The 9/11 commission's report states flight 93 crash landed as a result of the passenger's revolt against the terrorists. Then along comes Dick stating he had 93 shot down. He says "I did it quickly". Should we begin questioning our gov't officials? YES! Should we demand a new and independent investigation of 9/11? YES! BTW. Have you ever heard of bldg7? If you haven't it's because the MSM swept it under the rug on 9/12/01. Should we start questioning the MSM? YES!

Everyone...please google "9/11 Shock Opera - Act 4 - Building 7 and Flight 93: The Grand Finale that wasn't."
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Old April 5th, 2012 #1535
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The pity is that Cheney reptile will probably expire before it can be hung or barbecued for it's hand in the 911 mass murder of 3.000 for fun and profit. What an evil swine of a creature! But that still leaves Rumsfeld and many other maggots who should all burn in hell for what they did. We on this site knew this many years ago. Jews own the mass media and they will definitely do nothing to help the truth get out. We knew that too, years ago. A day will come, be sure of it, when the Whites in America will reclaim America and on that day all hell breaks out especially for the poor, forever persecuted for-no-reason-whatsoever, Jews.
 
Old April 17th, 2012 #1536
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Default 9/11 And the Cover Up/ Video By Ryan Dawson

9/11 And the Cover Up

Video By Ryan Dawson

Was Israel Involved in 9/11 Attack?


"Ryan Dawson is clearly stepping into some very dangerous territory here, and I really commend both his courage and his talent. I urge every one of you to take the time to watch this movie." The Saker

Posted April 14, 2012

http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle31079.htm
 
Old April 22nd, 2012 #1537
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Video analysis worth noting:

Uploader: "Simonshack" from http://cluesforum.info/index.php

"Simonshack" Puts together compelling evidence of manipulated video footage adds that buildings were empty, wired to blow, all major vict"sims" (simulated victims) with "loved ones" being payed actors. Buildings hit with missiles.

Synopsis: All media conglomerates were exchanging same "nose out" footage all day. All eyewitnesses were affiliated with media conglomerates most have Jewish surnames. The "clues forum.com" is definitely open to discussion of Israeli "knowledge" and/or masterminding of 9/11/01.

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Old April 29th, 2012 #1538
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Trials Without Crimes Or Evidence
By Paul Craig Roberts on April 25, 2012 at 8:58pm
A fish rots from the head

Andy Worthington is a superb reporter who has specialized in providing the facts of the US government’s illegal abuse of “detainees,” against whom no evidence exists. In an effort to create evidence, the US government has illegally resorted to torture. Torture produces false confessions, plea bargains, and false testimony against others in order to escape further torture.

For these reasons, in Anglo-American law self-incrimination secured through torture has been impermissible evidence for centuries. So also has been secret evidence withheld from the accused and his attorney. Secret evidence cannot be confronted. Secret evidence is distrusted as made-up in order to convict the innocent. The evidence is secret because it cannot stand the light of day.

The US government relies on secret evidence in its cases against alleged terrorists, claiming that national security would be threatened if the evidence were revealed. This is abject nonsense. It is an absurd claim that presenting evidence against a terrorist jeopardizes the national security of the United States.

To the contrary, not presenting evidence jeopardizes the security of each and every one of us. Once the government can convict defendants on the basis of secret evidence, even the concept of a fair trial will disappear. Fair trials are already history, but the concept lingers.

Secret evidence murders the concept of a fair trial. It murders justice and the rule of law. Secret evidence means anyone can be convicted of anything. As in Kafka’s The Trial, people will cease to know the crimes for which they are being tried and convicted.

This extraordinary development in Anglo-American law, a development demanded by the unaccountable Bush/Obama Regime, has not resulted in impeachment proceedings; nor has it caused an uproar from Congress, the federal courts, the presstitute media, law schools, constitutional scholars, and bar associations.

Having bought the government’s 9/11 conspiracy theory, Americans just want someone to pay. They don’t care who as long as someone pays. To accommodate this desire, the government has produced some “high value detainees” with Arab or Muslim names.

But instead of bringing these alleged malefactors to trial and presenting evidence against them, the government has kept them in torture dungeons for years trying to create through the application of pain and psychological breakdown guilt by self-incrimination in order to create a case against them.

The government has been unsuccessful and has nothing that it can bring to a real court. So the Bush/Obama Regime created and recreated “military tribunals” to lend “national security” credence to the absolute need that non-existent evidence be kept secret.

Andy Worthington in his numerous reports does a good job in providing the history of the detainees and their treatment. He deserves our commendation and support. But what I want to do is to ask some questions, not of Worthington, but about the idea that the US is under terrorist threat.

By this September, 9/11 will be eleven years ago. Yet despite the War on Terror, the loss of Americans’ privacy and civil liberties, an expenditure of trillions of dollars on numerous wars, violations of US and international laws against torture, and so forth, no one has been held accountable. Neither the perpetrators nor those whom the perpetrators outwitted, assuming that they are different people, have been held accountable. Going on 11 years and no trials of villains or chastisement of negligent public officials. This is remarkable.

<<<<The government’s account of 9/11 implies massive failure of all US security and intelligence agencies along with those of our NATO puppets and Israel’s Mossad.>>>>>

The government’s official line also implies the failure of the National Security Council, NORAD and the US Air Force, Air Traffic Control, Airport Security four times in one hour on the same morning. It implies the failure of the President, the Vice President, the National Security Adviser, the Secretary of Defense.

Many on the left and also libertarians find this apparent failure of the centralized and oppressive government so hopeful that they cling to the official “government failure” explanation of 9/11. However, such massive failure is simply unbelievable. How in the world could the US have survived the cold war with the Soviets if the US government were so totally incompetent?

If we attribute superhero powers to the 19 alleged hijackers, powers in excess of V’s in V for Vendetta or James Bond’s or Captain Marvel’s, and assume that these young terrorists, primarily Saudi Arabians, outwitted Dick Cheney, Condi Rice, The Joint Chiefs of Staff, and Tony Blair, along with the CIA, FBI, MI5 and MI6, Mossad, etc., one would have expected for the President, Congress, and the media to call for heads to roll. No more humiliating affront has ever been suffered by a major power than the US suffered on 9/11. Yet, absolutely no one, not even some lowly traffic controller, was scapegoated and held accountable for what is considered to be the most extraordinarily successful terrorist attack in human history, an attack so successful that it implies total negligence across the totality of the US government and that of all its allies.

This just doesn’t smell right. Total failure and no accountability. The most expensively funded security apparatus the world has ever known defeated by a handful of Saudi Arabians. How can anyone in the CIA, FBI, NSA, NORAD, and National Security Council hold up their heads? What a disgraced bunch of jerks and incompetents.

What do we need them for?

Consider the alleged hijackers. Despite allegedly being caught off guard by the 9/11 attacks, the FBI was soon able to identify the 19 hijackers despite the fact that apparently none of the alleged hijackers’ names are on the passenger lists of the airliners that they allegedly hijacked.

How did 19 passengers get on airplanes in the US without being on the passenger lists?

I do not personally know if the alleged hijackers were on the four airliners. Moreover, defenders of the official 9/11 story claim that the passenger lists released to the public were “victims lists,” not passenger lists, because the names of the hijackers were withheld and only released some four years later after 9/11 researchers had had years in which to confuse victims lists with passenger lists. This seems an odd explanation. Why encourage public misinformation for years by withholding the passenger lists and issuing victims lists in their place? It cannot have been to keep the hijackers’ names a secret as the FBI released a list of the hijackers several days after 9/11. Even more puzzling, if the hijackers’ names were on the airline passenger lists, why did it take the FBI several days to confirm the names and numbers of hijackers?

Researchers have found contradictions in the FBI’s accounts of the passenger lists with the FBI adding and subtracting names from its various lists and some names being misspelled, indicating possibly that the FBI doesn’t really know who the person is. The authenticity of the passenger lists that were finally released in 2005 is contested, and the list apparently was not presented as evidence by the FBI in the Moussaoui trial in 2006. David Ray Griffin has extensively researched the 9/11 story. In one of his books, 9/11 Ten Years Later, Griffin writes: “Although the FBI claimed that it had received flight manifests from the airlines by the morning of 9/11, the ‘manifests’ that appeared in 2005 had names that were not known to the FBI until a day or more after 9/11. These 2005 ‘manifests,’ therefore, could not have been the original manifests for the four 9/11 flights.”

The airlines themselves have not been forthcoming. We are left with the mystery of why simple and straightforward evidence, such as a list of passengers, was withheld for years and mired in secrecy and controversy.

We have the additional problem that the BBC and subsequently other news organizations established that 6 or 7 of the alleged hijackers on the FBI’s list are alive and well and have never been part of any terrorist plot.

These points are not even a beginning of the voluminous reasons that the government’s 9/11 story looks very thin.

But the American public, being throughly plugged into the Matrix, are not suspicious of the government’s thin story. Instead, they are suspicious of the facts and of those experts who are suspicious of the government’s story. Architects, engineers, scientists, first responders, pilots, and former public officials who raise objections to the official story are written off as conspiracy theorists. Why does an ignorant American public think it knows more than experts? Why do Americans believe a government that told them the intentional lie that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction despite the fact that the weapons inspectors reported to President Bush that Hussein had no such weapons? And now we see the same thing all over again with the alleged, but non-existent, Iranian nukes.

As Frantz Fanon wrote, the power of cognitive dissonance is extreme. It keeps people comfortable and safe from threatening information. Most Americans find the government’s lies preferable to the truth. They don’t want to be unplugged from the Matrix. The truth is too uncomfortable for emotionally and mentally weak Americans.

Worthington focuses on the harm being done to detainees. They have been abused for much of their lives. Their innocence or guilt cannot be established because the evidence is compromised by torture, self-incrimination, and coerced testimony against others. They stand convicted by the government’s accusation alone. These are real wrongs, and Worthington is correct to emphasize them.

In contrast, my focus is on the harm to America, on the harm to truth and truth’s power, on the harm to the rule of law and accountability to the people of the government and its agencies, on the harm to the moral fabric of the US government and to liberty in the United States.

As the adage goes, a fish rots from the head. As the government rots, so does the United States of America.

Paul Craig Roberts [email him] was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury during President Reagan’s first term. His home page is paulcraigroberts.org.

He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal. He has held numerous academic appointments, including the William E. Simon Chair, Center for Strategic and International Studies, Georgetown University, and Senior Research Fellow, Hoover Institution, Stanford University. He was awarded the Legion of Honor by French President Francois Mitterrand. He is the author of Supply-Side Revolution : An Insider's Account of Policymaking in Washington; Alienation and the Soviet Economy and Meltdown: Inside the Soviet Economy, and is the co-author with Lawrence M. Stratton of The Tyranny of Good Intentions : How Prosecutors and Bureaucrats Are Trampling the Constitution in the Name of Justice. Click here for Peter Brimelow’s Forbes Magazine interview with Roberts about the epidemic of prosecutorial misconduct.
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Old April 29th, 2012 #1539
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Alex Jones video started with the NAZI flags aound the white house so we know where he is taking this. "The Germans did it."

We know about the dancing jews and who the companies in charge of airport checkpoints and a lot more just fom the video called missing links.

Dick Gregory blew it when he went on prisonplanet telling eveyone that he was warned about 9/11 and still refuses to say who told him. This is obviously a CIA/Mossad opeation.

 
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By this September, 9/11 will be eleven years ago. Yet despite the War on Terror, the loss of Americans’ privacy and civil liberties, an expenditure of trillions of dollars on numerous wars, violations of US and international laws against torture, and so forth, no one has been held accountable. Neither the perpetrators nor those whom the perpetrators outwitted, assuming that they are different people, have been held accountable. Going on 11 years and no trials of villains or chastisement of negligent public officials. This is remarkable.


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Not to mention, most government employee's are afraid to read White Web sites Unless they are monitor/trolls/inciters.
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