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Church of the Creator (2012)
Next February will be the 40th anniversary of the founding of the White man's religion, Creativity. A month ago, the 30th anniversary of Foundation Day (March 10, 1982) of the Church of the Creator passed without notice by most Creators, only the Creativity Alliance holding a small ceremony. The warring factions of Matt Hale's WCOTC, are still fighting over who are the real Creators or the real Church. The truth is that none of them are the real Church, nor do they have any authority to determine who is and who is not a Creator.
Creativity has been in a serious decline over the past 20 years, with the mistakes of Matt Hale's WCOTC, and those after him, nearly destroying it. To revive the Church of the Creator, we need to come to terms with its past, accept its present state of affairs, and move on to the future where Creativity and Dr. Pierce's Cosmotheism, together, will be the White man's religion. I have studied the writings of Ben Klassen for ten years now. Visited and had private conversations with Creators and others who have known and worked with Ben Klassen. Hopefully, with a minimal amount of trolling, over the next couple of weeks, this thread will inspire a new generation of Creators and Cosmotheists to realize the dreams of both Ben Klassen and Dr. William Pierce, both of whom, independent of each other, sought to create, for the first time in centuries, a true White man's religion. I know that there are some others here who can contribute to this thread, so feel free to jump in and add your thoughts. http://www.thephora.net/forum/showpo...&postcount=340 The SPLC has been promoting Covington as a legitimate national-socialist "Leader" since the mid-1990s, even though his various organizations were all 'Net driven ruses with little basis in reality. Witness this from 1998-'99: Last edited by SmokyMtn; April 6th, 2012 at 10:58 AM. |
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Disregard Randy's ramblings.Anyone wishing to learn know about Creativity should visit www.creativitymovement.net
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You are truely pathetic Dildoway.Why is it that you are posting at all times of the day?You obviously dont work.
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Name one thing you have done for VNN. Go ahead and post the revo-patty-cakes greatest hits. I sit here every day I ask what am I doing to proliferate that which is more than I as an individual,...not an easy answer for an ammeter such as myself, but seriously what have you done,what can I learn from you besides collecting a nark report of names and addresses at the expense of exposure to the Creativity Church Members. What have you done that I or anyone else would look up to, who is your audience as a reverend? You fail to produce anything to support your accusations, you fail to produce anything that would promote yourself or Creativity in a positive light, more importantly you fail to produce a spine. Seriously, who are you talking to when pronounce yourself reverend. Lead,follow, or get the fuck out of the way. |
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Shithead, did I mention that you are my number one recruiter? Keep it up, be sure to keep calling everyone here on VNN, who does not agree with you, one of my "trll accounts."
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To answer your question, "what example(s)....[should I] follow to ensure the future existence of the White Race[?]" The Essence of a Creator 1. A CREATOR puts loyalty towards his own race above every other loyalty. 2. A CREATOR is responsible, productive and constructive. 3. A CREATOR places a high value on honor and self-respect, and will defend his own honor, the honor of his race and of his family at all costs. 4. A CREATOR recognizes both love and hate as the two most powerful driving forces in life: that both emotions are healthy and essential to life, and to possess only one and be deprived of the other is to be as crippled as a bird with only one wing. 5. A CREATOR realizes that both love and hate, in order to be constructive, must be directed in the proper channels and to do otherwise is destructive and suicidal. 6. A CREATOR therefore makes a careful distinction between his loved ones and his enemies. He loves, aids and abets those of his own race and his own kind, and hates his enemies, namely Jews, niggers and the mud races. 7. A CREATOR is eager, optimistic, aggressive, energetic, and self-sacrificing for the best interests of his people. 8. A CREATOR strives to keep physically fit and keep his body in the best of health at all times. 9. A CREATOR is inquisitive, adventurous, and has a cheerful zest for living. 10. A CREATOR is tough, tenacious, resolute, persistent, persevering, indomitable and indefatigable, as were the Ancient Romans. 11. A CREATOR is practical, down to earth and concentrates on those goals and activities that are meaningful and worthwhile. 12. A CREATOR is brave and courageous and always a proud credit to his people. 13. A CREATOR places high value on ATTITUDE, strives continually to maintain a healthy, positive and dynamic attitude towards life. 14. A CREATOR is an Achiever and a Producer. 15. A CREATOR is a problem solver. |
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Dr. Pierce's Religious Veiws:
Dr. William Pierce's beliefs on Cosmotheism below. It sounds like Dr. Pierce and Mr. Klassen must have corresponded between each other frequently. There is a lot in common between Creativity and Cosmotheism.:
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What you see here is a signed copy of Dr. Pierce's novel, Hunter: After Ben Klassen was buried in his necropolis, his daughter held a yard sale of his belongings. The only White Nationalist who showed up was Will Williams and he bought this book for 15-cents. Last edited by SmokyMtn; April 5th, 2012 at 03:16 PM. |
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You might be more comfortable with Dr. Pierce's less militant Cosmotheism than with Klassen's in-your-face Creativity. But both clearly addressed the "ethnic aspect" you mention. Both men loved their race and dedicated their adult lives to its welfare and advancement. They knew that you fight fire with fire and hate with hate, not love. Hate is not a negative emotion when directed at one that is determined to destroy that which you love. "In the long run" is the operative phrase in your statement above, VSM. Creativity does not have the right stuff for a long-run religion for Whites in it's present form for the reason you mention; granted. So what? It damn sure serves a purpose NOW for straightening out the thinking of the White man who has been strapped with an entirely alien creed for so many centuries, and for radicalizing him against the Jews from whose demented brains such suicidal poison sprang. To paraphrase Nietzsche's common sense advice: "Before a new belief system can supplant an existing one the ground must be cleared of that existing belief system." Creativity serves that purpose by exposing Xianity as totally Jewish. After the revolution a vigilant ruling White elite will have no problem formulating a loving ethnocentric religion which suits our nature, which has the "spiritual aspect," and is geared for the long run. It damned sure won't be grounded in destructive Jewish hate. |
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Hey, ErikD! Remember Erik Hawthorne/George Burdi? He was another gung ho Creator who espoused RAHOWA! passionately, then had a crisis in faith when he got into a little trouble. He sounds like you now, though I doubt you've gone as far to the other extreme as he has by taking a non-White significant other and singing whatever he sings now with his racially diverse little anti-racist troupe. You're really just a few degrees apart in your newfound world view. You ought to look up Erik, Erik? Get him to come on to your phora group and tell the gathered how evil and hateful racism is and how it screwed up his life. You guys remind me of an ex chronic tobacco addict. Once you quit you make it your life's work seeing that no other smoker can enjoy his habit. Well, friend, the strongly held hard line beliefs that you once were fanatic about are catching on in places like VNNF. You have no business here lecturing those who have no intention of deradicalizing their sound beliefs to embrace your dreamy, half-baked marshmellow thingy. You were right to criticize Hale's over-the-top, in-your-face grandstanding approach and his carelessness in allowing the wrong people get too close to him, but the Creativity idea will live on and find refinement long after guys like you and Erik Hawthorne and others who couldn't make the long haul are pushing up daisies. Hey, are you going to answer that question I asked you about what authority did you Guardians of the Faith have to appoint Matt Hale PM as leader of the Creativity movement in the first place? There were plenty of long time Creators who obviously had a better grasp of what Klassen had built than you so-called Guardians of the Faith claimed to have. Who is guarding the Faith now? |
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I do not believe that and I know I said no such thing. I was surprised to read that you wouldn't be surprised if your children embrace Xianity. I'd call that "soft" parenting for one who hates the Jewish poison as you do. I prefer Tom Metzger's example of child rearing to yours. All six of his kids were raised in a radical racist household and he doesn't have any doubts that they'll turn one day to lap up the toxic Jesus juice. I could write a book replying to what Edberg has written, some of which is not accurate, a couple of cheap shots at my association with the Populist Party in 1986, etc. I was doing a lot more than working with the PP then, like putting Metzger's "Race & Reason" on the Raleigh Cable Access channel, doing gun show booths, creating and distributing racist literature, holding weekly meetings of a local cell and creating the illusion that there were a lot more activists doing all the stuff we were doing than were really involved. We were everywhere, all the time. AJB was with the WPP, just like Edberg and I were, and he brought me into the PP with him and they made me the Executive Director for no other reason than that I had collected over 1,100 names on a petition to protect our 2d Amendment rights at one of my gun show literature distribution tables one weekend, then sent copies to the governor and to both NC senators. I met all sorts of racist activists from all around the country at the PP national conventions. Some fool even stood up and nominated me to be the Vice-Presidential candidate on the Populist Party ticket. I had met David Duke earlier that year down in Georgia, but when I met up with him again at a DC PP convention pitching himself as a Democrat candidate for president of the U.S., I told him that Jesse Jackson was going to announce his own candidacy for President as a Democrat in Raleigh and that he didn't have a hair on his ass if he didn't show up there and face him down. He had to agree with me, changed his plans and accepted the challenge. I took care of all the details and David simply had to hit the mark. The confrontation between the Black and White racist presidential candidates was perfect and historic. There were over 400 cops there that day protecting Jesse's 7,000+ Rainbow Coalition niggers from our 70 or so "Democrats for Duke." We were all over every national TV network that evening. It was opportunities like that rally and so many other activities that hatched from my association with AJ and the Populist Party and Edberg knows it. He's being petty and disingenuous to suggest that I was some sort of Spotlight distributor. I brought an armload of Spotlights somebody had given me to some gathering in Siler City for people to take if they wanted some and Edberg is never going to let me forget it. Big deal. I'm guilty. A lot of people on this discussion forum were introduced to White Nationalism through the weekly Spotlight back in the 1980's. Radicalization is not an overnight process. I have no regrets for any of my hundreds, more like thousands of associations, good or bad, along the path that prepared me, then finally delivered me into the arms of William Pierce. Everyone's path is different. When Edberg got around to introducing me to Gary Gallo of the National Democratic Front, and I felt as if I had eclipsed the Populists, it wasn't long before Gary made Edberg and me his only co-directors. Gary was a great teacher but he couldn't hold me long. He wasn't giving me satisfactory answers to my questions. Metzger steered me to Ben Klassen. I did 15 months with him as his XO (Hasta Primus) and editor of the COTC monthly tabloid before I felt I had eclipsed him, too, but he taught me more than any leader I had had until then. We didn't know it at the time, but Klassen was further preparing me for Pierce. Edberg took me up to meet Pierce in mid-'91. I had just read Hunter and told Edberg that I needed to meet the man who had written this book that seemed to be speaking directly to me. It wasn't long after that that Pierce invited me to be his XO, or Membership Coordinator, a position he created for me. We did a lot of good work together. Dr. Pierce taught me much, had me reading exceptional race-thinkers that until then I'd never heard of and he further solidified my racist world view. It was like being paid to go the the best university in the world and having the best professor there willing to let me pick his brain every day to the extent that I could grasp. His wife told me one day that he and I were like a pair of old shoes we were so much alike. It's late; I'm rambling. Explaining this old personal history of events long past is making me tired, but it all makes for good background leading up to the present Alliance mess and some people will relate it to their own journey that has brought them here. I can be tactful most of the time, even disarmingly charming if I have to, but like Hadding said, Dr. Pierce always preferred the truth over tact. Sometimes one must be prepared to shed the polite and charming exterior and reach down between his legs and find his mean streak so he can deal with the liars and deceivers in a manner they can understand. |
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Once again, you've nailed the obvious, Whirlwind. We will be an exclusively Aryan movement, based on the alarming, near desperate reality of our unique phenotype's habitat degradation and succession by competing sub-species. We rational racists understand our place on our planet -- the real world, the only place White man has ever lived -- and as a recognized identifiable race of man that's worth preserving we will not be denied our perogative and Nature's imperative to organize naturally and militantly, if necessary, to preserve our precious gene pool and necessary habitat/living space. For those who actually have bothered to get beyond the Jew's big lies to try and understand Mr. Hitler's Nature-based, race-centered idea and see the obvious successes of the glorious Pan-German Reich (a good model for a Pan-Aryan movement, BTW), that merely translates to "blood and soil," or "Folk and Fatherland" -- and the naming of the enemy to Aryan man: the Jew. Then we have alternative Xian patriot movement. The justification for why Gentiles should fight the Jew is straight from the Jewish Book of Fables. They insanely close their eyes, get on their knees, clutching their silly mustard seed, and have one-way conversations with their imaginary Jewish tribal god, Yahweh; they worship his mythical Jewish bastard of a son, and believe that the White man's reward is not here on earth and that our only afterlife is through future generations of our people, but in the Jew's nonexistent happy place: "heaven." They feed us stiff-necked cynical empiricists this line of shit with a straight face, then add that the Pale "King of the Jews," Jaysus was/still is Aryan and that it is we "Adamic people," the only ones with the ability to blush, who are the real Jews. These people will need a couple of years in reeducation camps to get their heads screwed on right. Yes, Whirlwind, THAT is the BIG SCHISM. Will we be the noble Aryan or the "real Jew?" Will we continue to be the prey, or will we revert to our natural position in the food chain as predator? Which would the Jew rather we be? Why does the Jew hate Mr. Hitler so? Why do otherwise smart WN's still parrot the Jew line against the greatest fighter of Jewish Bolshevism/materialism/egalitarianism in history? Why do they "believe in" a dead pacifist Jew on a stick rather than in something more natural and harmonious with their racial character? We know the answers to these questions, if they do not. Bottom line: these superstitious, gullible X-lovers can NOT be allowed to lead our people by defining our existence and our identity with their ancient Jewish documents, using Jewish pseudohistory from the Levant. Like you say, this fundamental divide is undeniably obvious to the critical thinking man and it thereby defines the internal struggle for leadership of the White resistance movement in a nutshell. "Never believe a Xian preacher. Any man who will lie to himself will certainly lie to you." -Bernhardt Klassen |
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I can't help but love that fellow in the podblanc, telling it like it is, Agis. Thanks. I'll pass that on. Xianity is not grounded in reality, as Dr. Pierce would say. It's a Semitic religion, unsuitable for White man. Period! Those who agree, over here; those who don't, over there. May the best plan prevail. Mr. Drake is right, too, as usual, when saying, "One thing about athiests, we like to talk Reality." I'd add another thing about athiests, and that's that they pretty much don't believe in anything, but especially the other fellow's spook, as Ben Klassen used to say. I'm no atheist. My beliefs are strong and real. My perfectly normal and natural world view is racial -- ethnocentric, if you will. In my lifetime I've seen a rediscovery of my people's pre-Xian, Nature-based pagan beliefs in Asatru/Odinism/Wotanism, as well as the founding of two separate religions exclusively for my people (by the above mentioned men) and geared for the long term -- Creativity and Cosmotheism. A survival religion exclusively for Whites is an idea that has already come. No Jew worshippers allowed. Get it? Zenos, don't you think it would be more productive to try to build a White racial movement with those who agree in advance and on principle in the primacy of race rather than to "hope" that anonymous hymn-singing gadflies like Mike Riggins and Amy Sickcowski, who hate you and call you a sick queer for your thick-necked rational, biological world view, will "come around" to reality that their Jaysus is a no show? That earth -- forget about the Jew's heaven -- that earth is the only place White man has ever lived and that we had goddamned better fight for our blood and our soil -- our gene pool and our habitat? Mother Nature -- the ultimate arbiter in which species live and which go the way of the Dodo bird -- does not reward gullibility nor superstition, so neither can we. Folks like us actually used to have a place like that to gather and build, unopposed by the Xians who worship the vengeful, goy-hating, albeit imaginary, Jewish tribal god. It was called the National Alliance, founded by the oft-quoted, but rarely understood, Dr. William L. Pierce. Xians didn't do well in the National Alliance, until Gliebe/Walker hijacked it, that is, and removed Xianity as an ideology opposed by the Alliance. Brilliant! How has that worked out? Alex Linder thinks he can do it better by gathering serious biological racists and Xian Nazis and "true Jew" Xian Identity-types, and various other Hollywood ASSWIPErs who are all over the board ideologically speaking, mixing in the enemy, even, and then hoping they'll all "work things out." The traitor Erich Gliebe thought that, too. As did Sean Walker; as did Kevin Strom and April Gaede and their successors; as did Billy Roper; and as are any number of other splinter factions who "hope" for that elusive unity. I like that Alex finally seems ready now to clean things up at VNN, to give newcomers to VNN a good impression of White nationalism -- "no dialog, no 1488 bs, just the facts!" But how he expects the newly awakened to come away from VNNF with a good first impression by promoting the likes of Commander ASSWIPE and Harold Covington is beyond me. It is inevitable that there will once again be a viable, Nature-based alternative to the prevailing half-baked, umbrella or big tent approach, and it will not tolerate any contradictory Semitic belief system creeping in and confusing our people. Have hope. |
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