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Old August 24th, 2011 #81
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It borders on the realm of insanity. I simply don't understand how supposedly jew wise WN's could support a political entity like the TP. The fact that is is a mainstream political party tells you something right there. If it was a threat to the jew status quo it wouldn't be allowed and would not exist. I'm old enough to have seen "alternative" political parties like the TP before. John Anderson, Constitution Party, Green Party, Libertarian Party, Independent Party, Ron Paul, There are dozens of them and they all have one thing in common...nothing ever comes of them, nothing ever really changes on the major issues like war, the economy, illegal immigration, niggers. It's fucking bullshit. Big jew allows these parties to exist so they can infiltrate them for the purpose of control and to act as sort of pressure valve release system so the gullible goyim don't blow a gasket.
Yea, even worse is that the Tea Party IMO is not as "third party" as some of the past versions. Essentially, I think the TP are Republicans who were too ashamed to be called Republicans after Bush. I looked up the positions of TP members of congress and they are all in line with the Zionist regime, the only exception being Rand Paul and he's just neutral.

The other thing is that I really don't want to save this society. I think it sucks. It's produced a cookie-cutter of ugliness wherever it goes and demoralizes people for the sake of a dollar. And that's what the TP boils down to... they want to save this society. They like the way things are; they just want the government to take less of their money.

That's what's wrong with white people, at least the American version. They really don't care about anything besides money. They go to church because it improves their status so that they can get more money. They think the best programs on tv are the ones that garnish the most money. They think education should be entirely dedicated to creating people who produce more money. They think the best people to mate with are those that have the most money. Money is a very shitty measure of humans, much like democracy.
 
Old August 24th, 2011 #82
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"Staying legal" means you're determined to lose since anyone capable of seeing things for what they really are can easily deduct that "the rules" are tailor-made to prevent the oppressors from being kicked off the stage.

Add to that other "secret rules" that basically allow them (there you go with the ridiculous notion of 'legality' again) to black ops your ass and throw you in secret dungeons should anyone ever got strong enough to ~vaguely~ start to look like a threat, nevermind being truly dangerous to them.
The government also doesn't come out and say, "Hey, you don't have any rights, whitey, we're going to railroad your ass." No, they keep up appearances.

I think that saying we can't be legal is another way of doing nothing. If we really believed that, we wouldn't be here discussing it on a forum which is a legal form of political action.

I think it is just plain stupid to suggest illegal activity. The story has been repeated so many times, it's ridiculous. An organization starts up. Government informant joins. Informant suggests violence. Other members don't speak up against informant or they actually go along with him. A bunch of people end up on the news and sitting in prison. Informant moves on to next organization.
 
Old August 24th, 2011 #83
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The take-away on Parrott is a) that's what they (the CMSists) want and b) he's the best they can get.

I'd stay as far the fuck away as possible.

I always get the mental image of the end of The Wizard of Oz, where the great and powerful wizard is revealed to be this little nobody. But somehow in their minds, they think this will be perceived as some sort of attribute, that they'll--somehow--exert massive influence rather than being completely ignored when not laughed at.

It's another christ-insane devolution: Poor, powerless mewling becomes the ideal, the path to success. Powerful action is to be avoided (and penalized!) at all cost.

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They're not serious adults when it comes to race, which presumably is the thing Parrott cares about most, eh?

I'd put it more this way, Mattsy: the mormons built SLC out of nothing in the desert. For most of the time they were a people apart, physically. So subverting them has not yet been fully accomplished, although they were long ago broken to the whip. Now they dutifully serve their own interests and ZOG's by importing third-worlders into SLC, which has changed radically on the racial front since I lived there in early 80s.

So some can be learned from them, some can be admired in them, but ultimately they are no solution. But it makes a lot more sense to move to Provo and free-ride on the civilized society they've made than move out to boonies Idaho and make something from scratch.

Parrott comes off, juding by his own words, as unstable. He can't seem to decide what he is, or what his position is. He's a racialist, but he loves jews. He's a Mormon, but he drinks and smokes. To me that spells fundamental character instability. But he's polite, so we should just overlook all these inconsistent, nay, contradictory positions. Because he's a nice guy. He says things in public. He doesn't punch peole in the face at dinner parties.

I don't get it. I really don't.

What ever happened to taking a position and holding it? And just being what you are, as hard and pure as you could? When did we all become clever hanses?
 
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Parrott comes off, juding by his own words, as unstable. He can't seem to decide what he is, or what his position is. He's a racialist, but he loves jews. He's a Mormon, but he drinks and smokes. To me that spells fundamental character instability. But he's polite, so we should just overlook all these inconsistent, nay, contradictory positions. Because he's a nice guy. He says things in public. He doesn't punch peole in the face at dinner parties.

I don't get it. I really don't.

What ever happened to taking a position and holding it? And just being what you are, as hard and pure as you could? When did we all become clever hanses?
Maybe being honest with himself and grateful to people who actually did him a good turn are more important to Matt than consistency for its own sake. If one is honest and open to facts, one is going to pick up a lot of contradictory beliefs. But one can work out inconsistencies over time, as long as one is honest and open to facts. The most important thing is to remain honest and open to facts. Reality is consistent with itself, but we only know a small slice of it, and partial knowledge can lead to contradictory conclusions. Making a fetish out of consistency for its own sake gets in the way of knowledge. It is if the blind man who grasps the tail of the elephant were to argue that an elephant can't be like a tree and like a rope at the same time, so he is going to maintain until his dying breath that an elephant is like a rope on the grounds of consistency.
 
Old August 24th, 2011 #85
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Maybe being honest with himself and grateful to people who actually did him a good turn are more important to Matt than consistency for its own sake. If one is honest and open to facts, one is going to pick up a lot of contradictory beliefs. But one can work out inconsistencies over time, as long as one is honest and open to facts. The most important thing is to remain honest and open to facts. Reality is consistent with itself, but we only know a small slice of it, and partial knowledge can lead to contradictory conclusions. Making a fetish out of consistency for its own sake gets in the way of knowledge. It is if the blind man who grasps the tail of the elephant were to argue that an elephant can't be like a tree and like a rope at the same time, so he is going to maintain until his dying breath that an elephant is like a rope on the grounds of consistency.
Brown Johnson,

Your head is up the elephant's ass. At the very least you could massage its prostate.

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PS: Please hold your breath for as long as possible. Think of it as a fun, life-affirming game.
 
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[Parrott's own words. What conclusion do you draw about him, reading this?]


As things stand right now, I haven’t attended in months and am just sort of lost and confused about the whole thing. One thing I’m not confused about is that I have nothing but respect for them, their beliefs, and their rites and rituals. Their temple garments are the butt of childish jokes, but I have more respect for a man like Brigham Young--sacred underpants and all--than I have for any other American alive or dead.
Aren't these the people who believes that god lives near a planet called "Kolob"? And that Jesus was Satan's brother? And that one can wear magical underwear for defensive purposes? I mean seriously you couldn't sell this shit to the SciFi channel. How do you reach people that think like this on an intellectual level? Maybe the answer is you can't.
 
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A closeted Republican?

 
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MIf one is honest and open to facts, one is going to pick up a lot of contradictory beliefs.
But Greg, are you able to believe "six impossible things before breakfast"?
 
Old August 24th, 2011 #89
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Maybe being honest with himself and grateful to people who actually did him a good turn are more important to Matt than consistency for its own sake. If one is honest and open to facts, one is going to pick up a lot of contradictory beliefs. But one can work out inconsistencies over time, as long as one is honest and open to facts. The most important thing is to remain honest and open to facts. Reality is consistent with itself, but we only know a small slice of it, and partial knowledge can lead to contradictory conclusions. Making a fetish out of consistency for its own sake gets in the way of knowledge. It is if the blind man who grasps the tail of the elephant were to argue that an elephant can't be like a tree and like a rope at the same time, so he is going to maintain until his dying breath that an elephant is like a rope on the grounds of consistency.
That...is just dumb, Greg. And you know it's dumb. What is there to be confused about? Either you're in the Mormon church, and you follow the rules, or you're out and you don't. Same with WN. Either you see jews as the main enemy, and proclaim yourself White to all who ask, or you don't. Open and shut criteria for judging. You can see it as honesty, but others could see it as trying to have things both ways, AND, inadvertently or vertently opening the door to subversion. Parrott needs to figure out whether he's fish or fowl.

"A fetish out of consistency" is just another way of saying "obsessed with ideological purity." Hey, at least you avoided the cliche. I'm not sure what's so cool and new and neat about inconsistency and unprincipledness. It stinks of danger to me, and conservative engine revving in neutral.

Are jews white? Are they us? Do we work with them? Do we work with those say they are white, are us?

Very simple questions, and I don't see any persuasive answers from the likes of Parrott. What really tells the tale, though, is these folks who tolerate everything -- inconsistency, jews, jew-excusers -- never tolerate those who have specific, unchanging, direct answers to those very most basic questions.
 
Old August 25th, 2011 #90
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Posted by Greg Johnson on August 25, 2011, 04:34 AM | #

GW, MOB, and anyone else who might feel slighted by being passed over by CMS should actually feel relieved. You have dodged a bullet.

When I was with CMS, there were of course rumors floating around of a “secret society” sponsoring secret meetings with various movement bigwigs, but the talking points were very simple. Whenever someone asked about the Charles Martel Society, the response was to hold up an issue of TOQ, flip open to inside front cover, and point out that CMS was a 501c3 Educational Corporation that publishes TOQ. As far as the world knew, the only “members” of CMS were the board members and employees, whose names were matters of public record. At the time I was fired from TOQ and thrown out of CMS (based on lies, as it turned out, but that did not matter to even to my friends who chose to remain in the group), the board consisted of Sam Dickson, John Gardner (Yggdrasil), and Louis Andrews.

The people who keep throwing Bill Regnery’s name around as if he were actively involved with CMS have not even done the simplest of homework. He has not been involved in any official capacity for years. Which is something that could be gleaned from public records, should anyone care to investigate. But since when do facts matter to the kind of people whose favorite bloodsport is online “roasts” of movement people?

Now John Gardner, who took over CMS after Sam Dickson resigned in disgrace last year, as come on this board and confirmed that yes, indeed, the rumors are true. CMS has a membership. CMS is selective about its members, because they wish to exclude egomaniacs and kooks (this is laughable to anyone who has met Gardner, Dickson, or “Hunter Wallace,” all of whom are judged worthy CMS material), and because CMS has many members who have something to lose if their identities as supporters of White Nationalism should be revealed. Gardner, of course, denies that CMS is a “secret” society. It is merely “confidential.” (This dodge is borrowed straight from the Freemason playbook, by the way.)

Well, if CMS is “confidential” because it wishes to protect the identity of its members, why is John Gardner, the president of CMS, coming on this board and confirming what has heretofore been mere rumor, namely that CMS has a membership? Why is he painting a big red bull’s eye on CMS?

Because that is what he has done. He has now raised CMS to a high priority target of anti-fa hackers. CMS is now a pinata filled with the names of the very sort of people the hackers want to destroy. Every hacker worth his bones will take a whack. These are the kind of people who gave us the following:

2009: David Irving’s website and mail accounts hacked, private correspondence and membership lists put online:
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/11/david-irving/

2010: Nordisk in Scandinavia hacked by antifa:
http://www.revleft.com/vb/swedens-ma...229/index.html

2011: Arktos Media hacked by antifa:

I could go on, but that would be pedantic. This is just a taste of what John Gardner has invited for CMS. This is the bullet that non-CMS members have dodged.

As for the people who are in CMS and who have something to lose: You can’t just resign, you have to get you name purged from all the records. And aside from deposing the current leadership and doing that yourself, there is no way to guarantee that this will be done.

Furthermore, this is not the only blatant security breach in recent CMS history. The first breach came in May of 2010, when the hacker, phisher, stalker, and mental patient “Hunter Wallace” was handed all of CMS’s confidential records of members, donors, and subscribers. When I made it clear to my friends who remained in CMS just what a stupid move this was, the response from the leaders was lies and paralysis. Finally, I gaslighted Wallace into an online meltdown on this board, after which time he resigned. But of course, he probably still has copies of the records he was given.

Even after Wallace’s 2010 breakdown, Sam Dickson kept feeding him talking points and using him as a proxy to attack me and Counter-Currents, apparently because his personal hatred of me was not satisfied by firing me, slandering me, and cheating me out of $12,000+ of unpaid wages (I never even bothered to calculate the unpaid reimbursements). Not only was this an extremely unethical way to exploit a mentally ill person, but also stirring up needless movement drama out of purely personal motives is a base betrayal of our greater cause.

But it gets worse. Just before Wallace’s ongoing psychotic episode, John Gardner brought Wallace back into CMS and gave him access to the group’s supposedly secure forum, where the new class of CMS members inducted after Wallace was given the group’s membership list were exposed to this dangerous kook. Lapses in judgment like this really beggar the imagination.

Any movement with leaders like this is a joke.

http://majorityrights.com/index.php/...rica/#comments

[honest to god, it nearly makes me cry, these beautiful attacks on people. i dont care whether they're right or wrong, the art is in the middle of my heart. the bolded line (my bolding) particularly took me. beautifully done, mr johnson. i could not have done better myself, altho i could have done as well. what pisses me off, on returning from my transport, is that jokers basically killed byron jost. if only byron had listened to me rather than them. here's a little home truth for yggy pop: you're a little glib and facile, buddy, and not nearly as smart as you thinks you is. but honest to god - can you IMAGINE giving name and numbers to Brad Griffin? that is past fucking insane into bewildering.]
 
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I read everyone's posts. Parrot sounds like another paper-putscher. I'm done reading.
 
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Posted by Greg Johnson on August 25, 2011, 08:11 AM | #

Lew,

I used to think the world of Gardner—based on what he said and wrote. When he got in a position to actually lead and make decisions, well . . . he turned out to be a major disappointment.

He has now seriously compromised the security of CMS three times:

First, by handing Hunter Wallace the organization’s records without doing the most cursory check to see if he would be trustworthy with such information.

Second, by inviting Wallace back to the organization even though this time he was fully aware of his history of insanity, phishing, hacking, stalking etc.

Third, by revealing that CMS is a secret membership organization, some of the members of which need to keep their identities secret. This major admission dramatically increases CMS’s desirability as a target for antifa hackers, enemy spies, and other disruptors.

With judgment this bad, it is only a matter of time before Gardner ruins somebody’s life.

Indeed, it may be too late to stop that now. I think it is only a matter of time before Wallace’s copies of CMS records end up in the hands of the enemy. He is the weak link here in a whole host of ways. Even when he is not psychotic, he is a nasty piece of work. And he has never been too bright about maintaining the security of his websites.

Posted by Greg Johnson on August 25, 2011, 08:16 AM | #

In fairness to Gardner, the first—and worst—breach of CMS security (handing all the organization’s records over to “Hunter Wallace") was not entirely his decision. It was co-authored by Sam Dickson, who was still president of CMS at the time.
 
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I read everyone's posts. Parrot sounds like another paper-putscher. I'm done reading.
He sounds like a kosher conservative to me. His shtick is pretending the same old failed WN conventional wisdom is radical and new.
 
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We should strive to attract strong people, rather than appeal to weak people.

We can only do that by being strong, funny, awesome, beautiful, sexy, dangerous It Partiers, so to speak. Why do you think people liked the Nazis? In small part cuz they were fascist (strong), but in large part cuz they were FABULOUS (sexycool).

If we ape the other democratic parties and make the basis of our approach what we can do for/to you, we guarantee failure, because the jews and their System will always be able to offer a juicier carrot and wield a thumpier stick.

Also, you intellectual chicken nuggets, any time the basis of your 'appeal' is what you or your cause can do for someone, you're tacitly accepting selfishness as the legitimate basis of political support. So if someone else with bigger tits comes along, you have no basis for complaining when your john runs off with her.

Why am I the only person on earth who understands anything?

/Muppet-level melodramatic self-importance

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Or to use another example of the difference between attract and appeal, the thing they say about James Bond.

Women want him, men want to be him.

How polar opposite is that to remonstrating, niggling, proving? We will never nerd our way to the top.

The irony is that where we DO need nerdlike attention to detail is where these unappetizing appealers say it doesn't matter: ideological fidelity.
 
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Creeping neoconservatism?
 
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The very name of the organization, "Charles Martel Society", is pretty neo-connish, since Charles Martel repelled the Muslim Arab invaders from Europe.

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That has to be the question.

Some guy "chechar" posted my comments here about Breivik on his blog. I'll find link later. But Parrott commented that my whole argument hung on Whites not being able to organize because of enemy action. Then he quoted my questions - do you have the technical ability to organize? Do you have the solution? He responded with the word "yes." That was all. No link, even. Apparently he has done some organizing so known he needn't mention it.

But in any case he's saying he DOES have the technical solution. And he's overtly taking the typical kosher conservative/Jared Taylor-approved path of blaming Whites for their failures - which is what my claim departs from, as Parrott's position is more or less conventional wisdom among the unthinking and the safe-n-legalists who lead them. And in doing this, he states, explicitly, that the problem is White leaders up until the advent of the Parrott I guess, have been "buffoons."

If he actually believes that, he is a fool. If he doesn't, then he is very likely an informant or attempting to subvert WN to some other agenda. His cockiness reminded me of Hal Turner's behavior before the rally in Knoxville. He asked me, kind of leering and laughing, if I was scared. I said yes - we are going out to protest the political context that led to a particularly vicious crime, a truly horribly thing, and the entire force and brainpool of the System are looking at us, not the criminals or the people who created the context that facilitated the crime, as the bad guys.

So when a prince of paper like Parrott acts all cocky, I feel the echo. Because we now know, and I had long suspected, that Turner was employed by the enemy. I don't actually have the same feeling about Parrott, but after seeing that comment, the question is now open in my mind.

The other alternative is he's simply a fool, or inexperienced. Which are possible. Give me the names of these "buffoons," Parrott. Lindbergh? Pierce? Rockwell? Metzger? Who? All these men were, at times, undermined by crooked tactics. Same with the leaders of the German-American Bund, Father Coughlin, even black nationalist Marcus Garvey. All taken down by jews by ILLEGAL means. It's not even just a WN thing, it's any man or any group opposed to the jewish agenda gets taken down ILLEGALLY. We've talked about this here before. Not to acknowledge this cardinal political fact is to be a liar or a kindergartner.

The bottom line is this: WN will not begin to be serious until they begin to place blame for their failure to organize on their enemies' successful suppression, subversion, and undermining of their groups and men. Believe it, Mattsy. If they can take down a great man like Lindbergh, they can just maybe handle a putz in porkpie like Parrott.

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chechar's posting me on breivik, with reader comments
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Chechar is a Mexican lunatic (diagnosed with some disorder) that loves Harold Covington. He likes to compare Covington to Richard Wagner. If you can forgive Wagner for his peccadillos then you have to forgive Covington!
 
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