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Rothschild loans to the Holy See

Rothschild loans to the Holy See refers to a series of major financial loans arranged between the Rothschild family and the Holy See of the Catholic Church. The first loan which occurred in 1832 took place in the aftermath of the Napoleonic Wars during the Pontificate of Pope Gregory XVI (involving James Mayer de Rothschild and Carl Mayer von Rothschild). This loan agreed on was for a sum of £400,000 (equivalent to £34.1 million in 2016). A second loan occurred during the Pontificate of Pope Pius IX ("Pio Nono") in the early 1850s with the same members of the Rothschild family after the collapse of Giuseppe Mazzini's short-lived revolutionary Roman Republic and the restoration of the Papal States.

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Reports of the transaction led to stinging criticisms of Pope Gregory XVI in the Christian (in particular, Catholic) world, almost all of which circulated around the Jewishness of the Rothschilds. The French romantic poet Alfred de Vigny said "a Jew now reigns over the Pope and Christianity. He pays monarchs and buys nations."

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The Rothschild family gained a lot of influence during the 19th century due to their financing of Napoleon , playing two sides in a war against each other , installing their people everywhere . .

https://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=550619

One shouldn't think that the Vatican is an exception . .


The Vatican has its own bank . .

You can guess , run by whom . .




There are even special Vatican €uros . .


Oh , and since you mentioned Mazzini , he is said to have been the formal leader of the NWO back then . .


He had a famous letter exchange with Albert Pike . .


This is something the NWO was always after . . Gaining influence on the 'Holy See' . .

This is probably also the reason why the Vatican was so hesitant to publish 'The Third Secret Of Fátima' . .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_...of_F%C3%A1tima

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/co...fatima_en.html

To quote German conspiracy investigator Jan Van Helsing here . .

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By the end of World War II, most monarchs were unseated. A part of the Illuminati’s plan was fulfilled. But what about Roman Catholicism?


At first glance one would think that seventeen centuries of stability would not easily be shaken, but a closer look show different.


The Vatican’s secret service has always been the SOCIETY OF Jesus, whose members are called JESUITS. I would like to open the eyes a bit of those who believe that Jesuits were just another harmless religious organization. The initiation oath for the 2nd degree demands the death of all Protestants and Freemasons. They were the leading force behind the massacre of the Huguenots and were also responsible for the beheading of countless Protestants and Freemasons in England during the 16th and 17th centuries. The Society of Jesus was founded in 1534 by IGNATIUS LOYOLA who was of JEWISH descent as were the first three generals of the order.


The power of the general of the Jesuits is such that he is called THE BLACK POPE. During the Second World War, the Catholic Church was heavily infiltrated by other secret lodges. Among others those were the OSS (precursor of the CIA), the MI6, the Italian BLACK NOBILITY, Freemasons and the P2 Lodge (Propaganda Due) who all were protected by the Committee of 300. The P2 is the strongest of the Italian Masonic Lodges.



Within the P2 is the GREAT VATICAN LODGE, which was at the root of the P2 scandal in 1976, when a list surfaced in the Vatican with the names and entry dates of 121 high Church dignitaries, among them cardinals of the Curia, archbishops, bishops, prelates and laymen. Instead of calling these persons to account, a veritable witch-hunt was instigated against those who publicized the list! No commentary necessary, right?


Among the names on the list were also those of the secretary of state cardinal Jean Villot, the Vatican’s Foreign Minister Agostino Casaroli, cardinal Sebastiano Baggio, cardinal Ugo Poletti and the head of the Vatican Bank, Bishop Marcinkus.


As stated previously, the Illuminati always supported both sides of nations engaged in war. By the end of World War II this became more evident. Allen Dulles, head of the CIA, for instance, had a secret meeting with the SS leader Gehlen.
They made arrangements to smuggle SS officers under the cover of the Catholic Church into Switzerland.



Some SS officers took their vows and were posted in other countries, predominantly Argentina, Paraguay, and the U.S. After the war it was Gehlen’s task to organize the station RADIO FREE EUROPE. After the war a large section of the SS was directly taken over by the CIA.


Another interesting member of the Committee of 300 was Joseph Retinger. After the war the CIA supported him in making contracts with the Vatican. For instance, he won over Dr. Luigi Gedda, the medical advisor of Pope Pius VII and leader of Catholic activities. With Gedda’s help he succeeded in strengthening for the future the connection with Pope Paul VI who had already collaborated with the OSS (Office of Strategic Services). Retinger also met with Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands, the Italian prime minister, Sir Colin Grubbin, director of the SOE (Special Operations Executive, British Secret Service), and CIA director General Walter Bedell.


Before the war PRINCE BERNHARD was with the SS and then held a position at I.G. Farben. He married Juliana, who in 1948 became queen of the Netherlands, and he took up a post with Shell Oil. This group was the core that met at the hotel De Bilderberg in Oosterbeek, Holland for the first time in May 1954 and later became known as THE BILDERBERGERS. Committee of 300 member Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands became the first director of the Bilderbergers. (Explanation later).


One of the CIA members with a strong influence in the Vatican was Cardinal Spellman. He helped the CIA with the overthrow of democracy in Guatemala in 1954. It was also Spellman who introduced Father Paul Marcinkus from Chicago to the Pope. In 1971, Marcinkus became archbishop and head of the VATICAN BANK. Marcinkus developed close links with Masonic P2 lodge members Michele Sindona and Roberto Calvi.



The grand master of the P2 was Licio Gelli. Calvi who headed the BANCO AMBROSIANO helped the Vatican to transfer more than 100 million US$ to the Polish Solidarnose movement. Later he was involved in the huge Banco Ambrosiano scandal. In 1982 his body was found hanging from the London Blackfriars bridge. He had bricks in his left and right pockets and his legs were tied at a right angle. This a Masonic ritual murder. This peculiarity was never written about in the newspapers. Sindona became advisor to the Vatican Bank. The P2 lodge had many links with the Vatican, Opus Dei and the CIA. Many of its members held high offices in the Italian government.


In January 1966 LOOK magazine published the article “How Jews Change the Thinking of the Catholic Church”. The Vatican probably is the richest organization in the world. A large portion of its fortune is held by the Rothschild banks. There is no doubt that the Vatican over the years has been taken over by the Committee of 300. This also explains why Bush, Gorbachev and other leaders so often visit the Pope.


This of course is only the tip of the Vatican “iceberg”. The murder of Pope JOHN PAUL I is another instance. By mistake his obituary had been published in the Mexican daily El Informador by the West Mexican Masonic grand lodge a day TOO EARLY! (Placed on June 3, 1963. The Pope died on June 3, 1963 at 19:49 HOURS).


An interesting book on this subject: David A. Yallop: In the Name of God. The present pope, JOHN PAUL II also has an interesting and noteworthy past. In his book Behold a Pale Horse, William Cooper, who has worked for twelve years for Naval Intelligence, writes that during the war Karol Wojtyla apparently worked with I.G. Farben and sold gas to the Nazis. At the end of the war, for fear of being killed for collaboration, he fled to Poland, looking for the protection of the Catholic Church. There he made a development similar to that of Eisenhower, just a bit slower, and subsequently was elected Pope.


He immediately thanked his friends on November 27, 1983 by lifting the excommunication order that had been pronounced over Freemasons worldwide in the Codex Iuris Canonici. That today’s Pope knows the Masonic secret language is “obviously” proven by the Masonic handshake and also in a speech he gave during a general audience on September 5, 1982. On the occasion of the death of the Lebanese president Gemayel he spoke of Jerusalem, the City of God, and said: “Jerusalem can also become the City of Man”. The “City of Man” is a keyword of the Illuminati for world dictatorship.
On April 8, 1983, the Pope received the complete Trilateral Commission in an open audience.


This secret organization was founded in June 1973 by David Rockefeller and Zbigniew Brzezinski and was set to work because apparently the established organizations like the UN were working much too slowly to bring about the One World Government. This elitist organization aims at uniting the top people of the industry and commerce giants of the Trilateral Nations – the U.S., Japan and Western Europe – in one pool and to force the New World Order to come about.



To the elite coming from different branches of Freemasonry it offers worldwide meeting facilities for secret collaboration, and it wants to give a broader political basis to the influence of the Bilderbergers. Most European member had long-term contracts with the Rockefellers. It has about 200 – in contrast with the Bilderbergers permanent – members.


And you might imagine that POPE JOHN PAUL II did not meet with them to drink coffee!
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/s...m#CHAPTER%2045

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/s..._20century.htm


http://www.fmh-child.org/Force/Force.html

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There's a book by Investigative Journalist David Yallop called, “In God’s name”, documenting how most of the illegal drug money made in the USA ends up in the Vatican bank.

There's a connection between the Vatican, the P2 Masonic Lodge, and the Mafia documented in the book. Up to the reader to decide if the evidence stacks up, I recommend reading it.

To note: the Jesuits wrote the 33 "Scottish Rite" Masonic degrees. They also wrote the Memphis/Misraim Masonic degrees.

https://www.amazon.com/Gods-Name-Dav.../dp/B008VSX1BI

https://openlibrary.org/books/OL2578...n_God%27s_name
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There's also a good book about the jewish popes that basically rescued the church so it could go on to be the contagion it is today. The Pierleoni family were early Rothchild types. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierleoni_family

Popes from the Ghetto. Recommended reading.
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The Rothschild family gained a lot of influence during the 19th century due to their financing of Napoleon , playing two sides in a war against each other , installing their people everywhere . .

https://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=550619

One shouldn't think that the Vatican is an exception . .


The Vatican has its own bank . .

You can guess , run by whom . .




There are even special Vatican €uros . .


Oh , and since you mentioned Mazzini , he is said to have been the formal leader of the NWO back then . .


He had a famous letter exchange with Albert Pike . .


This is something the NWO was always after . . Gaining influence on the 'Holy See' . .

This is probably also the reason why the Vatican was so hesitant to publish 'The Third Secret Of Fátima' . .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_...of_F%C3%A1tima

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/co...fatima_en.html

To quote German conspiracy investigator Jan Van Helsing here . .



https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/s...m#CHAPTER%2045

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/s..._20century.htm


http://www.fmh-child.org/Force/Force.html
On bibliotecapleyades, there is some correct info mixed with Xtian apologist stuff, you have to sort that out. What you are writing about the Bildebergers and Committee of 300 is true, as is the part about Cardinal Spellman and what they did in Guatemala, and John Paul I.

I just realized you spoke of the same Yallop book I did, lol. This has some very valuable info in it. One has to sort out what is historical and what is someone's opinion, and much is provably correct.
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There's also a good book about the jewish popes that basically rescued the church so it could go on to be the contagion it is today. The Pierleoni family were early Rothchild types. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierleoni_family

Popes from the Ghetto. Recommended reading.
https://www.amazon.com/Popes-ghetto-.../dp/B0007E04QO
True on Petrus Romanus, to the chagrin of some who shared my Cathy Lick upbringing and can't shake it.

If you ignore some of the fallacious stuff, this is an interesting vid re Petrus Romanus.

Gotta look at what parts are fact, they are interesting from a historical POV, re Jews. The Antichrist stuff can be proven to not even fit the narrative of such but I don't want to go down that rabbit hole today.

It is a valuable thing though, for one to know this history of the Church:

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There's a connection between the Vatican, the P2 Masonic Lodge, and the Mafia . . .
Yes , that kind of conspiracy theory is popular . .

Especially concerning a supposed connection between the Vatican and the Mafia. . . .

As for the P2 Masocic lodge . .




. . it is the most powerful lodge in Italy . .

Berlusconi was a member . .






Concerning the Mafia . .


The Mafia sure has a lot of influence in Italy . .

Italy is said to be the most holy country of Christianity . .


Have they infiltrated the Church ?


Even gained influence in Rome ?


Well . .

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...s-9554617.html


. .

Would a Pope who is part of Mafia structures excommunicate them ( the Calabrian Mafia ) ?

Oh , and I do not the deny the NWO has influence in the Vatican , in this case I refer solely to the Mafia claim . .

Oh , and by the way . .

https://www.acronymfinder.com/Mazzin...)-(MAFIA).html




Does Mazzini ( officialy known as politican of the Risorgimento movement . . .) have another hidden nature ?


Question . .

Oh , and concerning 'Papa Francesco' ( Pope Francis ) . . .

Is it any wonder to Catholics that for once a Latin American has climbed to Pope throne ?

50 % of all Catholics in the world live in South / Meso-America and without the number of Latin American Catholics Christianity wouldn't even be the world's major religion . .

That is not to say that he hasn't Italian roots ( most Popes in history were , of course , Italian . . )

Many even stemming from Rome . .





 
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Oh , and concerning the Jesuits . .


There also are a lot of rumours about them . .


The first Jesuits were of jewish descent . .


Ignatius Of Loyola

Mostly 'conversos' . .

As was this guy . .


Tomás de Torquemada


The Illuminati ( the name by which the NWO conspiracy containing many jews officially goes . . .) .


. . . more or less fed on their structure . .

( on a side note , even Himmler's SS in the Third Reich was based upon Jesuit structures . . .)

This has even reached a prominence that today claims are alive that some people blame the Jesuits for being behind the New World Order movement . .


What is true is that Adam Weishaupt ( jew ) was a member of the Jesuits in his later life . .



He was raised in a Jesuit monastery , in time got difficulties with the Catholic point of view and is said to have become the personal disciple of jewish philosopher Mendelssohn who turned him to gnosticism . .


Weishaupt temporarily held a professorship of jewish canon law at the university of Ingolstadt in Bavaria , Germany . .

Weishaupt is said to have founded the Illuminati in 1776 . .


Another secret society about which many rumours of influence exist , by the way , are Opus Dei . . .


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Oh , and leaving a supposed connection of the Vatican to the NWO aside , I do know that if I was a strictly believing Catholic I wouldn't want to have anything to do with the Vatican after some of their latest "actions" . .
 
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The Church has become multicultural...
 
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. . that was on of the things I meant back in post # 9 above . .
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. . contact me via PM, okay? Got some things to share. .

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I always considered the cat licks to only be an inch or two removed from the kikenvermin. The Vatican II council may have been staged solely to make them appear more Christian to the American people in order to make it easier for them to be elected to political office.

JFK becoming president was highly controversial but Biden is not under the same scrutiny. How many kikes and cat licks are on the Supreme Court and Capital Hill?

White countries will be overrun with shitskins from turd world countries wonder why that is.
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I always considered the cat licks to only be an inch or two removed from the kikenvermin. The Vatican II council may have been staged solely to make them appear more Christian to the American people in order to make it easier for them to be elected to political office.

JFK becoming president was highly controversial but Biden is not under the same scrutiny. How many kikes and cat licks are on the Supreme Court and Capital Hill?

White countries will be overrun with shitskins from turd world countries wonder why that is.
With help from Lutherans and evangelicals.

"Catholic Charities, Lutheran Social Services and World Relief, which is an evangelical group, resettled them there because the welfare is so good in Minnesota. That was the main reason," says Ann Corcoran, an activist who has written hundreds of articles about the Somali resettlement program for Refugee Resettlement Watch. "That's also the case with Maine. A lot of the Somalis are going there for the same reason."

https://www.wnd.com/2014/09/u-s-gove...-in-minnesota/
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I always considered the cat licks to only be an inch or two removed from the kikenvermin. The Vatican II council may have been staged solely to make them appear more Christian to the American people in order to make it easier for them to be elected to political office.

JFK becoming president was highly controversial but Biden is not under the same scrutiny. How many kikes and cat licks are on the Supreme Court and Capital Hill?

White countries will be overrun with shitskins from turd world countries wonder why that is.
Oh , I know the U.S.A. , from its inception, hasn't been very keen on Catholics. . The reason being, among other things , that many Americans thought Catholics would hold more allegiance to the Pope in Rome than to the United States and thus 'the old Europe' . .

Also, many Euro-American settlers from the beginning, were members of suppressed Protestant groups , often having been discriminated against in the 'old world' ( =Europe) , often even by intolerant Catholic rulers. So , one shouldn't wonder why Catholicism , until today , isn't very well received among certain Euro-Americans . .

In addition , with the current 'Latin-American invasion', Latin-American Catholics are growing in number . . . Something a lot of Euro-Americans surely also aren't pleased to see.

There is a reason for the expression 'Wasp' ( 'White Anglo-Saxon Protestant' ) . .

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With help from Lutherans and evangelicals.

"Catholic Charities, Lutheran Social Services and World Relief, which is an evangelical group, resettled them there because the welfare is so good in Minnesota. That was the main reason," says Ann Corcoran, an activist who has written hundreds of articles about the Somali resettlement program for Refugee Resettlement Watch. "That's also the case with Maine. A lot of the Somalis are going there for the same reason."

https://www.wnd.com/2014/09/u-s-gove...-in-minnesota/
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. .when one makes the assumption that the Catholic church is alledgedly keener on multiculturalism than Protestant denominations ( 'Catholic' , from the etymology , means 'all-encompassing' / universal ) , that is debatable . .

Today the Catholic Church is a world-power . .

Christianity , no matter its origins , did start out as a very eurocentric religion in the occidental version . .

When the belief in christianity in the west , however , declined , it started looking 'elsewhere in the world' . . In fact a while ago I made a thread here about Catholicism growing in India ( https://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=553688 ) . .

. . whether the Catholic or the Protestant branch of Christianity is more multicultural is debatable though . .
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Concerning Orthodox christianity . . many people in the middle east are orthodox christians . .

Orthodox christianity made a different way.

The Catholic church quickly was associated with the occident , with knights etc whereas orthodox christianity was even then more 'universal' . .

Christianity did start out as an organised religion when the Roman empire adapted it in contrast to previously having persecuted christians.

It became a 'state-church' . .

Orthodox one is closer to the roots . .

The first christ-believers were in the middle east, christianity then made its way into the mediterranean region , first Greece ,later Rome.

Orthodox ones , like I said , are 'closer to the roots' . .

The Bible was first translated into Greek , then into Latin.

The Western European christian world adapted the Latin alphabet whereas the eastern christian world adapted cyrillic . . .
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