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Old June 7th, 2014 #41
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Your 'argument' is stupid and is a waste of time. You want us to speculate on what someone was thinking 70+ years ago. Who cares. What he may have been thinking or not thinking at the time doesn't prove anything, and we have no way of knowing what another person was thinking anyway.
I guess I just thought people who take a strong stance on something while rejecting evidence have a reason for doing so. My mistake.
 
Old June 7th, 2014 #42
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What is this, babby's first debate? We've put forth very serious obstacles for your argument, and you seem totally unwilling to even engage them, let alone rebut them.
Because your "obstacles" had NOTHING to do with my argument. All I've been saying this whole time was that Himmler said the plan was to kill the Jews, so if the Holocaust didn't happen, what is the explanation for him saying that?

That's it. That was my question, and you kept changing the subject. Why should I engage with points that have nothing at all to do with what I'm saying?
If I ask you why you don't like communism, and you start explaining why you love peanut butter, why should I engage?

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We really should have expected as much from a dude who believes that wartime Germany wasn't so interested in the realities of war and were instead playing live-action Battlefield™ IV: Kill All Jews mod and trying to get the top score.
This is another problem you have. You keep making assumptions. I don't believe the Germans wanted to kill all the Jews. You've assumed so many things about me just because I asked a question you couldn't answer.
 
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I do think that Himmler started the killings, but had the Nazis won, Hitler would have put an end to it, and sent the rest of the Jews abroad.
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Hey, you were too childish to simply answer the question, so I had to start guessing.
First I needed to lay down the fundamentals of why your mythological divergence theory can not work, and did not work the way you envision it. That you are totally unwilling and unable to grapple with the logical holes in your fantasy, I'd say that the last ten posts did one hell of a job.
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They simply shot the Jews that were sent to the camps in Eastern Europe. It wasn't that hard. Hitler was occupied with the biggest war in history, he wasn't able to micromanage the Third Reich. Not that he ever did, anyway. Hitler had no problem giving huge amounts of power to people he trusted. At least for most of the war.
This isn't a "simple" matter, considering that the trains that took the Jews to the East were not under the auspices of the SS, and the SS did not have the authority to coerce them to do anything. Also, other German and even international bodies took part in the camps, such as the German Red Cross. Had Jews been murdered in the magnitude to whack off to, these non-SS affiliated bodies would have promptly informed high ranking liaisons of the NSDAP, who would expedite the message to Adolf Hitler.
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Actually, at one point Hitler did find out about the killings in the East, and told Himmler to stop. Later on, when Himmler started again, Hitler was too busy to find out.
Intredasting, you wouldn't have, you know, proof for this, or anything?
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I did, didn't I? Though really, those concentration camps where you learn to be a farmer sound lovely.
Not really. You're kind of like an autist who flips his shit when he's missing a block to stack in a straight line.
 
Old June 7th, 2014 #44
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Because your "obstacles" had NOTHING to do with my argument. All I've been saying this whole time was that Himmler said the plan was to kill the Jews, so if the Holocaust didn't happen, what is the explanation for him saying that?
That isn't true, you're being dishonest, you little autist.

Let's summarize them A-D now.

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So please explain how pulling the wool over the entire German government, civil service and military occurred by the special police forces.
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But, it contradicts the peaceful means of extirpation that the Germans already had in place, such as emigration to Palestine that occurred before the war, and resettling them in Madagascar, which would be a logical and viable solution in the event of German victory. Not only do we have dead Nazis saying that this was the sum of the Jewish question, but actual policy and evidence that supported it. Hell, quite a few of the German super-tekno-radioactive deathcamps were training Jews on how to be farmers, and actually work for a living, in an Israel somewhere.
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This is why your interpretation of history will never go anywhere. You are posing a single piece of war-time rhetoric by a member of the NSDAP, yet you have literally nothing beyond that, and even worse, nothing to do specifically with your version of how the killings were conducted, you call us neo-whatevers and look ridiculous.
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And really, the most important one that dissolves your entire tale:

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There is no technical, photographic or forensic evidence of this.
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That's it. That was my question, and you kept changing the subject. Why should I engage with points that have nothing at all to do with what I'm saying?
The subject, the lolocaust, specifically: Himmler's Posen Speech.

The subject never diverged from this specific text. Rather, what I and others did was work from the most obvious angle, casting the outcome of such a thing in doubt, and then I answered you directly.
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If I ask you why you don't like communism, and you start explaining why you love peanut butter, why should I engage?
It'd be more akin to you asking me why I didn't believe in the Roswell incident of 1948, and me telling you why the physics of saucers is impossible, watching you pout, before actually saying "so that's why I don't believe in saucers" - and then standing in shock as you jump up and down clapping your hands and drooling over the idea that I had finally answered your dipshit question.
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This is another problem you have. You keep making assumptions. I don't believe the Germans wanted to kill all the Jews. You've assumed so many things about me just because I asked a question you couldn't answer.
If I couldn't answer it, then how did I, under your own admission, answer it?

Is it even possible for you to not contradict yourself within a 5 minute time-frame?
 
Old June 7th, 2014 #45
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Evidence?
I honestly feel like nothing I present will be accepted. I'll believe anything as long as there's evidence, but since you only want to believe certain things, any evidence I give will be dismissed as Jew propaganda.
The bodies people found, the audios and written accounts by the Nazis themselves, the numerous eye-witnesses, all of that will be dismissed as propaganda, correct?
So why bother?
Seriously, tell me if I'm wrong here. Is there ANY form of evidence that would change your mind?

I do recommend reading David Irving's book, Hitler's War, but you might not like it because there aren't too many pictures.

I really don't care to get into the rest of this now with a person who has an agenda. If you were actually interested in history and Nazism, we could have a good discussion. But you're really no different than a Creationalist at this point.

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Not really. You're kind of like an autist who flips his shit when he's missing a block to stack in a straight line.
Says the guy who shit his pants in anger and resorted to name-calling and ridiculous assumptions when he couldn't answer a question.

I did appreciate the picture, though. Always wondered what my Jewish Doppelgänger would look like.
 
Old June 7th, 2014 #46
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That isn't true, you're being dishonest, you little autist.

Let's summarize them A-D now.



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None of this had anything to do with the original question that you kept avoiding.
Some of them I actually did answer, but I don't care to get back into it now with someone so stupid.

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It'd be more akin to you asking me why I didn't believe in the Roswell incident of 1948, and me telling you why the physics of saucers is impossible, watching you pout, before actually saying "so that's why I don't believe in saucers" - and then standing in shock as you jump up and down clapping your hands and drooling over the idea that I had finally answered your dipshit question.
No, it would have been like this.
Say someone in a government you claim to admire says they posses a flying saucer, and you deny such things exist.
I ask you why the government agent said they have a saucer, even though saucers aren't real, and you avoid the question for ten pages like a child because you don't have an answer.
Then you finally put your big boy pants on and say the agent lied. Of course I'm going to clap and be proud of you. You finally acted like an adult. Good job, little guy.
 
Old June 7th, 2014 #47
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I honestly feel like nothing I present will be accepted. I'll believe anything as long as there's evidence, but since you only want to believe certain things, any evidence I give will be dismissed as Jew propaganda.
That is interesting. I asked you for something along the qualitative lines as the German investigation into the Katyn Forest Massacre. This article was presented in Signal! magazine and was very compelling. I read an English version of this article in highschool, and before that believed the Germans culpable for the massacre.

So, step up, bitch. Let's see the millions of dead Jews in mass graves all over the East.
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The bodies people found, the audios and written accounts by the Nazis themselves, the numerous eye-witnesses, all of that will be dismissed as propaganda, correct?
Considering you're one of those fags who believes in a lolocaust by bullets, I'd probably start with full exhumations of mass graves, identification of the victims beyond a reasonable doubt to be European Jews from either Germany, France, Netherlands, Belgium, Italy, Hungary, Romania or Greece/Albania, and the shell casings that would be found in the area to be identified as German (7.92x57mm rifle casings or 9x19mm pistol casings). They would also have to have been killed in the manner that the Germans were accustomed to, ie. the rounds located in the chest, as opposed to the back of the skull or nape of the neck, which was how the Bolsheviks did so. We'd also need hundreds of thousands (perhaps as high as 1 million) of victims near or inside lolo camps (good luck on that one, bubeleh) to formally declare it genocidal, and not just reprisals. On top of this, I would need documentation of this SS coercion and complicity of literally thousands of German organizations, as well as international organizations such as the Red Cross. If you'd be so kind as to present this evidence, which of course I asked for in the beginning of the thread, I would change my position.
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I do recommend reading David Irving's book, Hitler's War, but you might not like it because there aren't too many pictures.
Read it, silly premise. Hitler was surrounded by people with opinions, and was quite aware of them. He listened to his entire military staff very closely, and would have responded to any SS hijinks as you are trying to portray.
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I really don't care to get into the rest of this now with a person who has an agenda. If you were actually interested in history and Nazism, we could have a good discussion. But you're really no different than a Creationalist at this point.
Funny, I'd say the same of you, especially considering you have your own little bible.
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Says the guy who shit his pants in anger and resorted to name-calling and ridiculous assumptions when he couldn't answer a question.
I name call when the shoe fits. If you actually want to step up to my plate, you better ante up, nigger.

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Old June 7th, 2014 #48
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I honestly feel like nothing I present will be accepted. I'll believe anything as long as there's evidence, but since you only want to believe certain things, any evidence I give will be dismissed as Jew propaganda.
You mean like when you said "Real proof, not like from a Neo-Nazi web site." ? Your 'real proof' are jewish sources obviously.

Face it, you got destroyed, and now you're trying to save face.

You're a liar too, your "Berlin" location is pretty hilarious, not that it matters but I think I know why you'd need to lie about that.

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Old June 7th, 2014 #49
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Some of them I actually did answer, but I don't care to get back into it now with someone so stupid.
Lol u mad.
 
Old June 8th, 2014 #50
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Well this current one is trying to see if Holocaust Deniers have an explanation for Himmler saying they're going to kill Jews. So far, it seems they don't.
It's been answered half a dozen times, but not the answer you want, so you keep repeating it over and over.
It's clear you aren't actually interested.
Who are you writing to impress?
Who is reading this that you want to show off to/earn a paycheck from?

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Okay... so... Do you think he was lying? Was he exaggerating? Was it a forgery? You still didn't give me an answer.
The answer is we have yet to see any proof he ever said it, any proof the documents are genuine.

Since he didn't do it, he likely didn't say it, or if he did was lying and exaggerating.
We will never know, he's dead.
We aren't Germans, and most of us aren't NS.

You claim the holocaust happened, we ask for proof, you have none.
Thus you were not convinced by evidence in favour of your theory, and so are not concerned about evidence.
You thus have a personal interest in the holocaust being accepted without evidence.

Where are the bodies, where are the gas chambers, the soap, the cages filled with lions and bears and eagles that ate Jews, the roads paved with Jewish headstones, the steel floors covered with water where Jews were electrocuted?
They are all integral parts of the Holocaust narrative you've stated you believe in.
You claim they exist, we ask where are they, you can't show them.
That's the position.
You want to convince us something happened, show us evidence.

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Yes, just like the non-white Indians of the SS.You know how I was using the word, stop embarrassing yourself.
The descendants of the Aryans are today upper caste Indians. That you choose to ignore this reality, and redefine the word to suit yourself, is your own affair. The Aryan concept is a NS concept. We aren't NS mostly, so its irrelevant to us.

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I believe the Nazis committed genocide against the Jews. If that alone is how you define the Holocaust, then sure. No, I don't believe the Posen speeches prove it all by themselves. However, I think they are one bit of proof that the denial crowd has no answer for.
We don't have to answer anything.
You are claiming the holocaust happened.
We ask for proof, you have none, then tell us you believe it happened, and demand we accept your beliefs, or try to change your belief, as if we cared what you believe.

We object to being forced by legislation, using the Holocaust as justification, for attacks on nationalism, opening of our borders, flooding our lands with non-Whites, being forced to state that we accept an event for which there is no proof, and to give billions of our money, and an entire country, and stir up trouble at our oil suppliers, all for a bunch of self confessed organised crime gangs.

We care about the Whites who died in WW2, the future of Whites, and the threat Israel poses to our oil supplies.
We don't care about Jews suffering. If they were gassed, it changes nothing.

Jews describe themselves as bandits, thieves, murderers, magicians, blackmailers, prostitutes, slavers.
Their claim to Canaan or modern day Palestine, is based on their ancestors having committed genocide against the Canaanites.
We see the Jews doing those same things today.
We see them committing genocide against the modern day Canaanites.
We see them boasting their communist/socialist governments in some 70 countries killed over 200 million people.
Now. In real life. That does not concern you, so you are clearly not pro-White.
It's clear you are pro-Jewish.

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Dude, let's be real here. I've posted one single argument, and only KraftAkt gave me a real answer. Granted, his answer was hilarious, because he said the speech was a forgery, but at least he tried. The rest of you have changed the subject, used Red Herrings, avoiding my question, and really did anything you could to ignore the fact that you have no idea how you can justify believing what you do.
You've posted no arguments, just a claim, and when asked for evidence, have none.
They're not red herrings. You seem to assume we are centered around the holocaust, we aren't. We are centered around what is happening today

We get people like you on here all the time, they all collapse and leave since we simply ask for proof.
None is provided. Case dismissed, and off they scurry.
Some stay a while, and realise we dislike Jews based upon their behaviour today, and then off they scurry to.
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Old June 8th, 2014 #51
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I agree. There were, most likely, no gas chambers.

But that doesn't mean the SS didn't commit genocide in the form of shootings.



So how come Himmler said they were going to kill the Jewish people?
Guys, this is key here, especially for potential lurkers.

The kikes and their shabbos goy stooges realize the holohoax myth of the gas chambers is crumbling day by day. The holocaust religion is in its last throws. Nobody with half a brain still believes that jews were gassed.

So they need a new explanation for the "6 million". Enter the "holocaust by bullets", which is claimed to have been committed by Einsatzgruppen on the Eastern Front.

Of course, the big problem is there isn't any evidence for this either (credit to Nigel, Hugh and other posters above) The only thing this argument has going for it is it ISN'T claiming death by gassings.

Remember, also, that the Einsatzgruppen operated almost solely on the Eastern Front as I mentioned. We know that all of the claims of gas chambers in death camps are in Poland. Jews from all over Eastern Europe were transported to these camps. That works...to a degree. Yet with the "holocaust by bullets" hypothesis, we would have to do away with the camps, transport the jews back to their homes throughout Eastern Europe. Why not just shoot the jews on the spot? Why bring them to the camps first?

So no, it doesn't work, because that's not what happened. Jews were in fact in the camps, and they were there to work.
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http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-holocaus...axarchive.html

The Missing Holocaust

"I've checked out Churchill's Second World War and the statement is quite correct” not a single mention of Nazi 'gas chambers,' a 'genocide' of the Jews, or of 'six million' Jewish victims of the war. This is astonishing. How can it be explained? Eisenhower's Crusade in Europe is a book of 559 pages; the six volumes of Churchill's Second World War total 4,448 pages; and de Gaulle's three-volume Mémoires de guerre is 2,054 pages. In this mass of writing, which altogether totals 7,061 pages (not including the introductory parts), published from 1948 to 1959, one will find no mention either of Nazi 'gas chambers,' a 'genocide' of the Jews, or of 'six million' Jewish victims of the war."

Richard Lynn, Professor Emeritus,
University of Ulster, December 5, 2005



NEWS FLASH!--FIVE MILLION JEWS DISAPPEAR

BETWEEN 1988 AND 2000, according to Jew sources, THE WORLDWIDE SUPPLY OF Jews PLUNGED FROM 18.1 TO 13.2. FINALLY, Jews HAVE PROOF OF A HOLOCAUST! But there was no war. The Nazis are long gone. In the midst of peacetime, the Jews LOST 4.9 million people, and still haven't been able to locate them. Could it be that they need a war in Iraq to increase the Jewish population back to 18 million? On top of that, the 2000 figure for Jews in the world included 6.7 million in the US when in fact there may have been only 5.2 million. The Jews in the US, with all the modern techniques for counting populations and handling membership lists, a first class mail delivery system, no war or insurrection or gas ovens or mass graves, were unable to pin down their population to within 1.5 million Jews--an error of 29%!

"The study's credibility became an issue last October after part of its findings on population was released and then withdrawn because some field data were not factored into the 5.2-million population estimate. At the same time, another study by a San Francisco-based group — using a broader definition of who was Jewish — placed the population at 6.7 million. But after reevaluating its methodology and findings, UJC said Wednesday that it stood by the 5.2-million figure."

These folks, who didn't have the brains to use modern techniques for estimating their own population to within an accuracy of 6.4 million Jews, during peacetime, are the very same folks who claimed that they knew precisely, for certain, without ANY doubt, with such certitude that they had hundreds or thousands of people EXECUTED for denying it, that 6 million Jews were missing during Nazi persecution, world war, massive Jew migration, and the death or disappearance of 264 million CHRISTIANS!











Judgment Day Perspectives Newsletter, Volume 2, #6:

39 Good Reasons to Reconsider the Numbers

By Eli James

The following are 39 good reasons why you should not believe in the biggest myth of the Twentieth Century:

1.) Consider the source. All of the “evidence” presented at the Nuremberg trials came from two sources: Communists and Zionists. Neither of these groups could be considered impartial. All communists are liars; and all Zionists are tyrants who believe that critics of Zionism should have no public say. Many of these people, such as Leon Trotsky and David Ben-Gurion, were both communists and Zionists! Since the myth-makers cannot prove their contentions in an open, public, discussion, the only choice they have is to quash dissent by making “questioning the holocaust” a crime in every country in the world, except the USA, where freedom of speech is hanging by a thread.

2.) Zyklon B delousing gas was just that. In the days of World War II, typhus was a scourge which was transmitted by fleas and lice. Xyklon B was the treatment given to all prison internees, no matter what their religious background, because typhus had to be controlled. The claim that it was used to poison people is absurd because it was highly flammable. To use it for the purposes described by the hoaxers would have put all of the camp facilities at risk of fire and explosion. Signed confessions, extracted by Jewish and communist interrogators, say that the dead bodies, after death by gassing, were extracted by workers who were “drinking and smoking.” Rudolph Hoess signed such a document, which was written for him. Hmm. Would you turn the gas on in your oven without lighting it, wait a while, and then walk into the room with a lit cigarette in your mouth? Obviously, the hoaxers had little technical knowledge when they made their ridiculous claims. In addition, the manufacturer of Zyklon B gas stated that, due to the adhesive qualities of the gas, it would require a 24-hour ventilation period before anyone could safely enter a room which had been used for such a purpose.

In addition, shaving heads was necessary in order to remove the breeding grounds of the lice.

3.) Killing six million people and disposing of their bodies is no small order for an army trying to conduct a war. Can you imagine the waste of fuel and other resources that would otherwise go to the war effort? Of the thousands of reconnaissance photos available from World War II, why are there no pictures of the fuel tanker convoys which would be needed to deliver the fuel for the crematoria? Why are there no pictures of the smokestacks, which were supposedly belching smoke day and night? The reality is that the Germans could hardly afford to waste fuel for such a purpose. Everyone agrees that the Germans kept tremendous records for efficiency and documentation purposes. Where are the records of these fuel shipments?

Think, think, think, you gullible Christian! The Zionists are laughing at you!

4.) Auschwitz, one of the largest concentration camps, had only about twenty ovens in its crematory. The crematoria at the various concentration camps were very crude and required lots of fuel and many hours to consume one body. One researcher has calculated that, given the exact number of ovens available and hours per body, the ovens would have to be going day and night from the War’s beginning until 1975 before that many bodies could be cremated. Are you beginning to comprehend the absurdity of such a claim? Yet, it is repeated by the Zionist-dominated bias machine on an almost daily basis, and it is force-fed to our school children at taxpayer expense and Zionist urging.

5.) If the bodies were not cremated as many hoaxers suggest, then where are the skeletons of all these bodies? Surely a few dozen would have turned up by now. Or did the Germans find some super-secret body disposal system that no one yet knows of?

6.) Would the Germans go out of their way to provide fuel for the crematoria when their airplanes and tanks were desperately in need of fuel? Not once have I heard anyone accuse the Germans of being stupid. Toward the end of the war, the Germans lost battles because lack of fuel. Would they be so stupid is to redirect fuel to the camps for “the ovens” when battles are at stake?

7.) Jews were singled out for special interrogation because so many of them were communists. The camp directors had to determine whether these Jews were harmless or dangerous - whether they would make reliable workers or just be troublemakers. Those who were determined to be useful workers were allowed many privileges, including the formation of orchestras. If the Jews were automatically gassed (killed), how would any of these privileges be considered, let alone established? The mere fact that there are so many Jewish survivors of concentration camps is evidence against the hoax.

8.) During the entire length of the War, the International Red Cross had constant access to the concentration camps. They delivered mail and packages containing food and clothing. The International Red Cross, despite this constant presence, never once filed a complaint or report about “the ovens of Auschwitz” or any other camp. It truly begs credulity to think that not a single Red Cross agent ever became suspicious, unless, of course, there was nothing to be suspicious about.

9.) The Nuremberg trials were conducted by the OSS (Office of Strategic Services, forerunner of the CIA) at the behest of the Zionist International. The Israeli State did not yet exist. The vast bulk of “evidence” was provided by the pro-Zionist Soviet Union. Neither of these two organizations could possibly be considered fair or trustworthy. Again, consider the source.

10.) Confessions were obtained under duress and torture. “It was this same War Crimes Branch which itself administered the nightmarish trials at Dachau, where prisoners were beaten, kicked, starved, and brutalised by Jewish-American jailers.” -- Richard Harwood, from Nuremberg and Other War Crimes Trials, p. 14. In true gangland style, the accused were told that their family members would be hurt or killed if they did not cooperate. Techniques of interrogation included beatings, starvation, testicle smashing and other forms of torture. The German prisoners were often so badly beaten that they could not be brought into the courtroom for fear of demonstrating their adverse treatment. The State of Israel today continues to use torture and murder as part of their terrorist campaign. Amnesty International has repeatedly cited Israel for such violations of human rights.

11.) There were no more than 4 million Jews living in Nazi-occupied territory. As the Nazi army advanced, the Jews fled rather than be captured. On June 30, 1965, the West German government announced that 3,375,000 Jewish “holocaust survivors” had applied for reparations. Now, if we subtract 3,375,000 from 4,000,000, that leaves 625,000 unaccounted for. If we take 625,000 and add a zero to the figure, we arrive at the fictitious and truly fantastic six million lie.

12.) According to the World Almanac of 1947, the world population of Jews in 1939 was 15,688,259. These figures were supplied to the Almanac by the American Jewish Committee. Then, the Jewish-owned New York Times of Feb. 22, 1948 listed the Jewish population in Palestine as 600,000 to 700,000; and for the rest of the world, the Jewish population is listed as 15,600,000 to 18,700,000. If we add the two lower figures together, we get a minimum total of 16,200,000 Jews world-wide, which is still a net increase in the world Jewish population of at least 500,000. If six million Jews had really died, then the total should have been 10,200,000.

But since the whole six million myth was just in the process of being fabricated by the world Zionist propaganda machine, these accurate figures came out before the hoaxacaust figures could be subtracted from the equation. Considering the fact that populations generally decrease during times of war - which it most certainly did for the German people and other nationalities - it is quite astounding that the Jewish population actually increased during this time. The fact is that the vast majority of Jews simply relocated to other parts of the world: Palestine, Russia, America, South America, etc.

13.) According to a pamphlet by Dr. E.R. Fields, entitled Was There Really a Holocaust?, the Red Cross reported in 1946 that of registered Jewish camp inmates, no more than 300,000 could have died. In item #11 above, we were willing to grant that possibly 625,000 were unaccounted for. If half of them died in the concentration camps and the other half died or disappeared to some other country, then our figures agree.

14.) Heinrich Himmler, Chief Commandant of the Concentration Camps, issued an order, dated Dec. 28, 1942, stating: “The death rate in the concentration camps must be reduced at all costs.” - from Reitlinger’s book, The Final Solution. Ladies and gentlemen, the Germans were fighting a war, and they needed the productive capacity of the inmates of the camps to produce war material. An extermination policy would have shifted vital resources away from production to waste. Isn’t this holocaust claim incredible just from this consideration alone?

15.) One of the Nuremberg documents, a letter of April 10, 1943, was issued by Oswald Pohl, the head of the Economic Administration of the concentration camps. After addressing the above-cited order by Himmler, the mortality rate of the camps had been reduced from 8.5% in July, 1942 to 2.8% in June, 1943. Given an extermination policy, why would there be any concern for mortality rates?

16.) Numerous claims of the hoaxers have been amended over time because the claims were obviously exaggerated or invented. In April 1975, Simon Wiesenthal of the Los Angeles Holocaust Center was forced to admit in the paper, Books and Bookmen, “No gassing took place in any camp on German soil.” At that time, Auschwitz and other camps were still in the possession of the Soviets, who would not allow serious researchers into these camps to validate holocaust claims. We expect that, with full disclosure, Mr. Wiesenthal will be forced to admit that no gassing ever took place in any camp.

17.) The Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed camp inmates at the end of the war. When asked if they witnessed any alleged “gassings,” the response was negative. From Red Cross document #9925, June, 1946, the entry states: “The detainees themselves have not spoken of them.” How can you gas six million Jews and nobody notices?

18.) Photos of emaciated bodies, both alive and dead, are not proof of an extermination campaign. The fact is that toward the end of the war, the Allies were bombing railroads and roads to the point of obliteration. This meant that valuable food, medicine, Red Cross packages, and other supplies were no longer reaching the camps. This was the real reason for the malnutrition, not to mention the serious side effects of malnutrition, which would be an increase in all types of disease.

The same thing happened in America during the Civil War. Northern prisoners in the Southern camp of Andersonville were also emaciated to the point of being only skin and bone. The commander of the camp, at his trial, said that he simply had no supplies with which to feed the inmates and he was not allowed to set them free. Pictures of these prisoners could easily be substituted for WWII inmates and no one would know the difference.

One thing we know for sure: The Jews are good at writing captions.

Please note that the published photos of concentration camp inmates show relatively well-fed people lining up for the showers. All of the photos of dead bodies being bulldozed show emaciated bodies. If they were gassed and killed immediately, as the hoaxers claim, there would be some photographic evidence of well-fed people being bulldozed into graves. There is none.

19.) In 1943, the SS arrested Buchenwald Commandant Karl Koch for mistreating and executing prisoners. He was found guilty by SS Judge Konrad Morgan and was executed for his crimes. If there were an extermination policy in force, would they bother trying and executing Commandant Koch? Again, these were work camps designed to assist the war effort. An extermination policy would have required tremendous resources and effort. It would have disrupted the crucial work that was going on and it would have risked undermining the war effort.

20.) Cremating 6,000,000 bodies in order to dispose of the evidence would have left 15,000 tons of ashes. No such volume of ashes was ever found, and no air reconnaissance ever revealed enormous clouds of smoke, and certainly there was never any such total of bodies found. It is only when one considers the enormous lack of evidenceof a holocaust - all the physical matter that would have been left over from such a campaign (six million corpses?!!!!) and the sheer magnitude of such an undertaking - then the hoax becomes obvious. It is only the hoaxers themselves and those who have not really thought about the physical details who believe in this tragic farce.

It is quite certain that the Germans did not have enough fuel to consume anywhere near that amount of bodies. One of the hoaxers, Mr. Henri Michel, editor-in-chief of the Revue d’Histoire De La Seconde Guerre Mondial, exclaimed of Auschwitz: “This camp was the most international and the most western of the death factories, and its soil is enriched with the ashes of 4,000,000 corpses.” -- p. 3. The dust cloud of crematoria smoke from such a volume of corpses would certainly have prompted some aerial reconnaissance photos, don’t you think? Where is the evidence? Why is there not one single photo of the crematoria smokestacks belching out their tons of ashes?

21.) William L. Shirer, one of those authors who continued the hoaxacaust story in his book, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, was forced to admit in a footnote on the crematoria: “…the measurements are those which are standard for a crematory oven of not very modern design intended for small cemeteries, and would be unsuitable for mass burning.” This footnote occurs on p. 972 of the German edition only. The rest of the world is still in the midst of the Zionist Dark Age.

22.) Thies Christopherson, a German soldier and author stated: “I was at Auschwitz! There was no gas chamber there.” Now, remember, this man does not practice the religion of lies. His statement was proven to be true when, in 1960, Auschwitz was opened to tourists and no gas chamber could be found. What a disappointment this must have been for the tourists! Later, in order to make up for this communist oversight (they didn’t have much experience at developing capitalist-style theme parks), the Soviets built one themselves! No doubt, the money for construction was provided by some Zionist or rabbinical organization.

23.) The so-called Diary of Anne Frank was not written by Anne Frank at all. Photocopies of the supposed manuscript show two distinct styles of handwriting, one which is not handwriting at all but printing, and the other a very smooth handwriting angled at two o’clock. At least half of the manuscript was handwritten in ballpoint pen. The ballpoint pen, invented during WWII, was not commercially available until after the war. In addition, the American Jewish writer, Meyer Levin, sued Anne Frank’s father and won an award of $50,000 for his participation in the writing of “Anne Frank’s” supposed diary. This fact was only brought to light because one Jew tried to cheat another.

24.) Although death by starvation and disease had increased toward the end of the war, the videos of huge piles of dead bodies in civilian clothing were most often footage which was filmed in Dresden. Dresden was devastated by the firebombing raids of the Allies on February 13 and 14, 1945. This was one of the greatest wartime atrocities in history, because Dresden had become, in effect, a large refugee camp for German women, children, wounded soldiers, and old men. Dresden was one of Germany’s main artistic centers and had virtually no industry located in its vicinity. The Allies knew this and yet they bombed the city mercilessly for two nights, apparently to dispose of war ordnance which would otherwise go to waste, for Germany at that point was a defeated nation and the war was nearing its end. Why not kill as many unarmed civilians as you can? Who will know?

The German refugees thought that Dresden would be a safe haven because of its lack of industry. They were, sadly, wrong. They could not imagine that there would be such immense Zionist bloodlust in command of the U.S. and British military. You can imagine the horror of those who thought they would be safe in Dresden until the end of the war! The war criminals have successfully blocked out this war crime from the history books; but I am sure that Yahweh God will remember those who are responsible.

25.) The Nuremberg trials were an absolute farce. One of the most damning conditions of the trials agreed to by the Allies in the August 1945 London Agreement was “The Tribunal shall not be bound by technical rules of evidence. It shall adopt and apply, to the greatest possible extent, expeditious and non-technical procedure, and shall submit any evidence which it deems to have probative value.”

In other words, let’s railroad these “war criminals” as quickly as possible, so we can go home and collect our medals. How would you like to be tried by a court which does not abide by “rules of evidence?” A mere technicality, you say? Can you see the kangaroos hopping around? Except, these kangaroos have hooked noses and wear yarmulkas now and then.

26.) The fact that American Jews were allowed to be prosecutors and judges is a travesty in itself. The fact that many of them, if not all, were merely instruments of the Zionist International makes the entire proceeding suspect because of a lack of impartiality. No court would consider it impartial if an agent of the accuser were to be allowed to be a prosecutor or a judge. Yet, this is exactly what happened at the Nuremberg trials. Unfortunately, the American people were not aware of these shady Zionist dealings. They assumed, as people still assume today, that the Nuremberg trials were held in accordance to standard procedures.

Regarding the London Agreement, Harwood says: “…the same people who drew up the arrangements for Nuremberg promptly had themselves appointed as prosecutors and judges. Nikitchenko and Falco became judges. Jackson was American Chief Presecutor, Fyfe was Deputy-Chief British Prosecutor. Thus, virtually the same people were judges, prosecution, and court.” -- p. 14. And you were told that the Nuremberg trials were fair and impartial?

27.) Incriminating documents were simply fabricated by the Soviets. In his opening speech at the War Crimes Tribunal, Chief Prosecutor Robert H. Jackson appeared to be quoting from a document which he ascribed to Baron Werner von Fritsch, the pre-war Commander-in-Chief of the German Armed Forces. In fact, he was quoting from a typewritten document of unknown origin. No original document was ever produced. (You can imagine how many clerks and other military personnel were recruited by the Zionists, at U.S. and British expense, to produce “documents.” Oops! I shouldn’t encourage you to use your imagination. There’s been too much of that already! Even if you’ve only heard the Zionist version of these events, it would only be prudent to exercise some common sense and good old-fashioned skepticism before accepting their story without criticism. It seems that only the Jews routinely get away without scrutiny. Why is that?)

28.) Budd Schulberg, Jewish film producer, was recruited by the OSS to produce the photographic and film “evidence” at Nuremberg. Again, lack of impartiality at its worst. He received a military reward for his efforts. Surprising that he didn’t get an Academy Award as well! The Jews of Russia (Khazaria), America, Britain and Israel were the prosecution, the judge, the jury, the newspaper reporters and the film crew. The poor, persecuted Jew has no influence at all! Why do the goyim hate him so?

29.) Paul Rassinier, author of The Drama of the European Jews, relates that many of the hoaxers, authors who had profited from the hoax, could not verify their claims. One author, Dr. Miklos Nyiszli, claimed to have been to Aushwitz but gave travel directions which made absolutely no sense. Professor Rassinier attempted to contact Dr. Nyiszli about such discrepancies and received from him a reply through a Mr. Tibere Kremer. As it turned out, Dr. Nyiszli had long since died, so even the reply was a forgery. Says Dr. Rassinier: “…this dead witness - another one - was peculiar enough himself to write to me after his death. And so Mr. Tibere Kremer’s silence is understandable. No further comment.” -- p. 41. This incident should give the reader an idea of the quality of the “evidence” which has been presented in the hoaxacaust literature.

When faced with a mountain lies, at least some statements must be true, right? Not necessarily.

30.) Prof. Rassinier’s book is a detailed examination of Jewish populations in virtually every country of Europe, including Poland and Russia, from 1931 to 1945. According to Rassinier’s statistics, in 1931 Europe had 9,777,500 documented Jews (figures from the World Center of Contemporary Jewish Documentation). The population that remained in these locations in 1945 was 4,250,000. The emigrants who left Europe altogether is numbered at 4,416,608. These people went to three main locations: Palestine (the Israeli state had not yet been created), Central Asia (Soviet Union) and the United States. So, the total, documented numbers of living European Jews in 1945, according to Rassinier, was 8,666,608. If we subtract the documented number of survivors from the documented pre-war population, we have a total of l,003,392 unaccounted for. Of these, a certain number must have died from causes unrelated to the war. If we grant that half of them died from such causes, then we have a total of about 500,000 Jews who perished in the war. This is consistent with our previous totals from items 11 and 13.

31.) At the Nuremberg trials, Philip Auerbach, the Jewish attorney-general for post-war Bavaria was denounced by SS General Otto Ohlendorf. Auerbach had claimed the absurd figure of 11 million Jews having suffered in the concentration camps. “Ohlendorf lived long enough to see Auerbach convicted for embezzlement and fraud (forging documents purporting to show huge payments of compensation to non-existent people) before his own execution took place in 1951.” -- p. 10-11, The True History of “The Holocaust,” Did Six Million Really Die? - by the Institute for Historical Review.

32.) It has been frequently reported by American prisoners of war that the Germans treated them much more humanely than the Japanese. The same is true for the civilian prisoners in the concentration camps. Many of these people were arrested for being communist spies. Hundreds of affidavits described the circumstances at the camps as “humane.” “One Berta Schirotschin, who worked at the food service at Dachau throughout the war, testified that the working inmates…received their customary second breakfast at 10 a.m. every morning…The Polish underground leader, Jan Piechowiak, who was at Dachau from May 22nd, 1940 until April 29th, 1945, also testified on March 21st, 1946 that prisoners there received good treatment.” -- p. 21, Did Six Million Really Die?

33.) Elie Wiesel has a poor memory. According to the New York Times of Sunday, January 4, 1987, Wiesel recalled “the day the Soviets arrived at Auschwitz.” Previously, in a speech to the National Press Club in Washington D.C., in April, 1983, Wiesel “noted that on April 15, 1945, he was one of the survivors liberated at Dachau by the U.S. Army.” - Jewish Telegraph Agency, April 11, 1983. “Oy, vey! I remember it like it vas yesterday” we can hear him sighing. Is this two lies or only one? Wiesel would have the distinction of being the only prisoner of war to be liberated from two different camps. Talk about bragging rights! The father of lies is truly proud of this weasel.

34.) In flagrant violation of the principle of freedom of speech, the Zionists impose their will on every organization they possibly can in order to prevent people from speaking out against the hoax. In Germany, it is against the law to deny the holocaust. Numerous people have been imprisoned for making public statements against the mythology. This fact should infuriate anyone who believes in freedom of speech.

35.) The holocaust industry makes millions of dollars every year promoting this holocaust trash. In literary circles, it is still a “hot ticket.” Truth be damned. Money talks.

36.) The Soviets brought out a bunch of “human skin” artifacts and “human soap” (presumably dusting off the trunks from their WWI displays), but the Tribunal chose not to pursue the matter any further.

37.) One of the chief presiding judges, Charles F. Wennerstrum, denounced the proceedings: “If I had known seven months ago what I know today, I would never have come here…Obviously, the victor in any war is not the best judge of the war crime guilt...The prosecution has failed to maintain objectivity aloof from vindictiveness, aloof from personal ambitions for convictions...the defense had access only to those documents which the prosecution considered material to the case…also abhorrent to the American sense of justice is the prosecution’s reliance upon self-incriminating statements made by the defendants while prisoners for more than 2&1/2 years and repeated interrogations without the presence of counsel.” - Harwood, p. 39, 40. But we are not dealing with the American sense of justice. We are dealing with the Talmudic, Zionist sense of justice. Dare we call it Satanic in origin? Judge Wennerstrum went to Nuremberg expecting to dispense justice. Instead, he was asked to rubber stamp a show trial.

38.) Many prisoners of the War Crimes Tribunal were kept in prison, held without charges being filed for months. This included even the wives of the suspects. (Harwood, p. 57.)

39.) Holocaust propaganda has changed with the times. Truth is not flexible. Lies are. No consistent flow of information has ever been established by the hoax industry. New charges and claims arise, all without any substantiation. Old ones dissolve, depending upon which charges have been refuted or not. We all know that the original story was that the Germans kept their “extermination program” a secret. How else could it have happened, anyway? Recently, the hoaxers, contradicting this theory, have claimed that it was common knowledge in those days that the exterminations were going on, but that nobody did anything about it. This claim has been fabricated for the sole purpose of trying to indict Pope Pius XII for “not helping the Jews.” But how can you prevent something that isn’t happening?

I remember very clearly as a child around 1954 standing in a mom-and-pop grocery store. Two Jewish women were reacting to a radio news story about the holocaust. I will never forget what the one woman said to the other: “If I had known they were being gassed, I would have never gotten on the train.” So, obviously, six million others didn’t know about it either! And she also survived, whatever camp she was in; and, from her statement, she did not witness any gassings either, because this was the first she had heard about it! Sooner or later, the liar gets caught in his lies. The fact that he owns all the newspapers will not prevent this eventuality.

Never underestimate the power of the BIG LIE. The Jews are the masters of it. My personal opinion is the Zionists decided to promote this myth in order to cover up their own involvement with Nazi Germany in transferring Jews from Germany to Palestine. They needed a smoke screen and a continuous barrage of propaganda to clamp the lid down on any criticism of their WWII maneuverings. The more newspaper space that is taken up by their lies, the less room there is for the truth. As the previous stories have revealed, the Zionists have much to hide.
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Himmler in the Posen speech uses the word "ausrotten" which is mistranslated in English as "extermination" but really means "extirpation." http://national-socialist-worldview....-himmlers.html
 
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Because your "obstacles" had NOTHING to do with my argument. All I've been saying this whole time was that Himmler said the plan was to kill the Jews, so if the Holocaust didn't happen, what is the explanation for him saying that?

That's it. That was my question, and you kept changing the subject. Why should I engage with points that have nothing at all to do with what I'm saying?
If I ask you why you don't like communism, and you start explaining why you love peanut butter, why should I engage?



This is another problem you have. You keep making assumptions. I don't believe the Germans wanted to kill all the Jews. You've assumed so many things about me just because I asked a question you couldn't answer.
For what it's worth...

What one man says and what actually occurs are two different things altogether. Just because, for example, a certain American politician may have called for the extermination of blacks 150 years ago, does that mean it really happened? Of course not.

What's most striking to my mind about the supposed near extermination of Europeon jewry during the 1940s is the disparity between such an accusation and the total lack of physical evidence in its support. When the offices of the six "extermination camps" of eastern Poland were emptied of their paperwork (enough paperwork in fact to fill seven railway boxcars from top to bottom), not one word, let alone document, referred to the nefarious plan to wipe God's Precious Darlings from the face of the earth -- not a single one. Not only that, but the Allies had seized the secret archives of the National Socialist Party, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the Army and Navy, and the Gestapo; again, with not the slightest allusion to the planned extermination of the jews. Combine that with the fact that there has never been a solitary bit of physical, trace evidence recovered from the camps to support the totally ludicrous claims of camp inmates and you'll see just how ridiculous the whole fucking thing is. Moreover, the only "proof" of the Shoah having actually ocurred is the "eyewitness" testimony of a bunch of lying vermin; and they, of course, had absolutely nothing at all to gain in terms of sympathy and shekels by making up a pack of outright lies...right? Ask any lawyer what the least reliable evidence is in a court of law and you know what he'll tell you? -- eyewitness testimony.
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Himmler in the Posen speech uses the word "ausrotten" which is mistranslated in English as "extermination" but really means "extirpation." http://national-socialist-worldview....-himmlers.html

Yep.

I'm a little embarrassed about how this Nikolas Waldmann has been handled here. Having scanned through most of the thread I find his fundamental question, that of addressing the Posen speeches, has NOT been satisfactorily addressed. Also: Waldmann offered to post the speeches he maintains "prove" that Himmler "intended to exterminate the jews." He should have been called on this immediately (if not before!).

It has been well established for quite some time now that the mistranslation (into English) of the recorded Posen speeches has radically altered the meaning of the remarks when read by English (only) speakers. This was addressed at length in the David Irving libel trial, and has been fully treated elsewhere. I believe Prof Faurisson has analyzed the speeches extensively.
But we need them here, in this thread.

Other posters have done OK with addressing the pissed-poor logic and the general irrelevance of the Posen speeches, but deconstructing them here would be even better.
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Why should we care how we answer filthy kikes and their shills? It is only looking for "soundbites" to brag about how evil us White folks are. IMO we should never respond to questions regarding the hoax. Let it die. By responding to these verminous spawn we give oxygen to the lie. Fuck the lot of them, and the horse they rode in on.
 
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Yep.

I'm a little embarrassed about how this Nikolas Waldmann has been handled here. Having scanned through most of the thread I find his fundamental question, that of addressing the Posen speeches, has NOT been satisfactorily addressed. Also: Waldmann offered to post the speeches he maintains "prove" that Himmler "intended to exterminate the jews." He should have been called on this immediately (if not before!).

It has been well established for quite some time now that the mistranslation (into English) of the recorded Posen speeches has radically altered the meaning of the remarks when read by English (only) speakers. This was addressed at length in the David Irving libel trail, and has been fully treated elsewhere. I believe Prof Faurisson has analyzed the speeches extensively.
But we need them here, in this thread.

Other posters have done OK with addressing the pissed-poor logic and the general irrelevance of the Posen speeches, but deconstructing them here would be even better.
Maybe this will settle the question once and for all:

I took the time to pose the question on codoh.com's forum (CODOH, as in the Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust); and here's what one knowledgable member had to say on the matter (I'm Augustus, btw):

http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8678

Now I hope this puts an end once and for all to the grasping at straws that all exterminationists resort to when they find themselves on the ropes (which is 99.9% of the time).
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IMO we should never respond to questions regarding the hoax. Let it die. By responding to these verminous spawn we give oxygen to the lie. Fuck the lot of them, and the horse they rode in on.
While I empathize with your overall feelings regarding the vermin and their par for the course bullshit, Zander, I must say this:

Your view is misguided: We should encourage questions regarding the Hoax, not "let them die" -- the latter is just what the jew is hoping we'll do. By responding to the illogical and outrageous assertions of both exterminationists and their in-the-dark goy lackeys we shut them up; it's not vice versa. Why do you think it is that there are Holocaust denial and trivialization laws in place in a dozen west Europeon "democracies" in the first place? It's because the jew fears debate on the subject; he doesn't "welcome" it.

Read my post above. It references the Committee for Open (not closed) Debate On the Holocaust -- the "open" part of it being exactly what the jew fears most of all: exposure to both the Holohoax and to the Agenda.

I say "Bring it on, kike -- we're more than fuckin' ready for your rat-scurrying asses."
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I agree that the kikes scurry like roaches when the light shines on them, hiding from the truth, but, IMO the time to really destroy the holohoax is if and when the kike is ridden from "our" government, banking and media systems. We cannot, and will not receive any favourable hearing until the playing field is levelled, so to speak. No matter how much we know we have the truth on out side we cannot win this arguement...yet.
 
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I agree that the kikes scurry like roaches when the light shines on them, hiding from the truth, but, IMO the time to really destroy the holohoax is if and when the kike is ridden from "our" government, banking and media systems. We cannot, and will not receive any favourable hearing until the playing field is levelled, so to speak. No matter how much we know we have the truth on out side we cannot win this arguement...yet.
Look, I'm in agreement with the gist of your argument; but you must realize that the jew's empowerment lies directly in the Holocaust myth itself: it's enabled him to establish the apartheid state of Israel; he's been able to extort untold billions in "reparations" from the government and taxpayers of Germany (not to mention billions more from Swiss banks); he's managed to have built, through US taxpayer dollars, naturally, more costly memorials to the Sacred Six Million on the US continent than there are memorials to those Americans who in fact actually did die during the Revolutionary, Civil, and World Wars of the last century (keeping in mind that these were jews supposedly snuffed on a continent other than the American); it's allowed him to brainwash both school children and adults through the perpetuation of the Hoax in the classroom and televitz; it's enabled the fucker to thoroughly drum into the empty heads of both Americans and Europeons the this-is-our-excuse-for-fucking-you-stupid-goyim-over mantra of "Never again!", and allowed him to get away with what he does in the ME and the west. Do you understand this?...or am I wasting my time here?

We're not going to rid ourselves of the problem in our govt., banking, and media systems until we first expose the tool that's enabled the slippery, slimey, Shoah business scum to obtain a stranglehold over the whole kit 'n' kaboodle in the first place: the Holohoax.
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