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Old October 19th, 2014 #221
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http://www.occidentaldissent.com/201...omment-2829883

See, this was the entire point of posting that picture of Griffin having a nice meal with some fat guys and a kid. I thought it perfectly captured the spirit of what Griffin is doing.

Griffin actually believes he's into serious, radical politics right now. He isn't.
Everyone has already realized that for years. And no one pays any attention to him anymore. Except you, apparently.

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Old October 19th, 2014 #222
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Everyone has already realized that for years. And no one any pays attention to him anymore. Except you, apparently.
I don't really know why you feel the need to argue about this shit.

Add something to the thread instead. Make an informative post.
 
Old October 19th, 2014 #223
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Infighting is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

My attendance at a recent anti-White pep rally was made easy for me by virtue of my training as an WN infighter.

WN infighting makes kwan attacks feel like child's play.
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The gookess laying down the narrative on the video is lying her yellow ass off.

Nobody at that rally cared about what any of those fags were talking about. The rally was effectively over when I left after about 15 or 20 minutes.

http://www.kmtr.com/news/local/Commu...?tab=video&c=y
Good on you, Jimmy. It took balls to show up alone at that rally. They thought they could gang up on you, but instead you stood right in their pitiful faces and didn't flinch. Well done.

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Old October 19th, 2014 #224
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Add something to the thread instead. Make an informative post.
Alright, how about this: FUCK OFF you little worm. And take your bizarre fixation with Brad Griffin with you.
 
Old October 19th, 2014 #225
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Alright, how about this: FUCK OFF you little worm. And take your bizarre fixation with Brad Griffin with you.
Oh yeah, the old 'fixation' or 'obsessed'.

1. Hardly a third of my posts in this thread have to do with Griffin.
2. He's a part of the on-going beef in the american WN-movement, as both Hadding and Greg Johnson comments on his little blog and Griffin himself has some pretty sharp comments about the whole situation.

Go get some air, buddy.
 
Old October 19th, 2014 #226
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[I][B]It took balls to show up alone at that rally.
Thanks Chris, but not so much. That guy, Michael Carrigan, who was the main speaker.... around here he's known as Michael Queeragain.
 
Old October 19th, 2014 #227
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Oh yeah, the old 'fixation' or 'obsessed'.

1. Hardly a third of my posts in this thread have to do with Griffin.
You're evidently monitoring his blog, and whenever he says or does something new, you immediately post a link on here. You've done it nearly half a dozen times in the space of a couple days. I'd call that pretty fixated.

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2. He's a part of the on-going beef in the american WN-movement, as both Hadding and Greg Johnson comments on his little blog and Griffin himself has some pretty sharp comments about the whole situation.
Griffin is not part of anything in the WN movement, American or otherwise. He's a harmless trust-fund baby who's casually strolling toward his next ideological U-turn. His "commentary" on WN infighting is hypocritical bullshit, considering what he and Daryl Basarab did years ago.

So I'll reiterate: No one gives a shit about Brad Griffin. Except, suspiciously, you.

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Go get some air, buddy.
Take your own advice, "buddy". It took me almost a year to accumulate 200 posts on here.
 
Old October 19th, 2014 #228
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You're evidently monitoring his blog, and whenever he says or does something new, you immediately post a link on here. You've done it nearly half a dozen times in the space of a couple days. I'd call that pretty fixated.
Yeah. It's true I follow a few different sites. I don't really follow Griffin's site except for now as he is chiming on this discussion/beef/w/e.

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Griffin is not part of anything in the WN movement, American or otherwise. He's a harmless trust-fund baby who's casually strolling toward his next ideological U-turn. His "commentary" on WN infighting is hypocritical bullshit, considering what he and Daryl Basarab did years ago.
Yes, he is. Exactly like Jar-Jar Taylor is. Griffin may view himself as a 'Southern Nationalist' or whatever, but he is obviously fixated with WN.

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So I'll reiterate: No one gives a shit about Brad Griffin. Except, suspiciously, you.
I get the impression that Mr. Linder "gives a shit" about Griffin. Greggy does. Hadding too.

Most do. You're lying.

There is nothing suspicious about that. It is merely you being paranoid.

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Take your own advice, "buddy". It took me almost a year to accumulate 200 posts on here.
99% of my posts have been informative or a news report. Most of your posts seems to be shit-slinging and full of disruptive behavior.
 
Old October 19th, 2014 #229
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He went on to say that “white genocide” in part refers to how the U.S. was founded by white Europeans, and that minorities have changed the U.S. culture. But his interview with KMTR News was cut short by community members who were upset over his comments.

“There is no place for (those comments) here, we cannot continue to hate other people and so we need to make sure we are working together as a community in order to bring people together and let them know this is a safe place,” said Dr. Hertica Martin, the Superintendent of Springfield Schools.


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Old October 19th, 2014 #230
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Thanks Chris, but not so much. That guy, Michael Carrigan, who was the main speaker.... around here he's known as Michael Queeragain.
The whole community seems to be FRIGHTENED because Jimmy Marr handed out leaflets.

It's really easy for one person to have a big effect when the "diverse" people like that fag in the lavender shirt go into a tizzy over something so small.

It reflects what Jacques Ellul wrote in Propaganda, that modern propaganda cannot tolerate contradiction. One person saying, "I don't agree with this," creates huge ripples.

The best part is how their insane overreaction is underscored when the evil-doer turns out to be a soft-spoken, normal-looking guy like Jimmy Marr instead of some scary freak.

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Old October 20th, 2014 #231
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Eh, it was Colonel Davy Crockett at the Alamo. General George Armstrong Custer died in the Battle of Little Big Horn.
The point I was trying to make was that both went out fighting against overwhelming odds. Everyone dies, sooner or later. Some die heroicly, while others die choking on pretzels while watching Monday Night Football.
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The point I was trying to make was that both went out fighting against overwhelming odds. Everyone dies, sooner or later. Some die heroicly, while others die choking on pretzels while watching Monday Night Football.
And from what I read, you mentioned them seperately, like Custer died in battle, as did the people at the Alamo. He just misunderstood you I guess.
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It reflects what Jacques Ellul wrote in Propaganda, that modern propaganda cannot tolerate contradiction. One person saying, "I don't agree with this," creates huge ripples.
Cognitive dissonance. It exposes the cracks in the propaganda. When people finally see that the emperor is not wearing the finest threads of silver and gold, the game comes crashing down.
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Cognitive dissonance. It exposes the cracks in the propaganda. When people finally see that the emperor is not wearing the finest threads of silver and gold, the game comes crashing down.
>Alright Jimmy, I need you to monitor this /pol/ board, let us know if anything suspicious happens.
>Sir, the holocaust was a lie
>Jimmy, its been 5 minutes, what happened to you?
 
Old October 20th, 2014 #235
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Raw Story has picked up the Springfield news story and comments appear to be open.

One interesting thing I've learned from this experience is that the BUGS website has completely blocked my efforts to notify the Swarm of these developments, so that they could swing into action with there stated mission.

What the hell is going on over there?

It's obvious as hell to me that that organization has absolutely no commitment to their stated purpose.

So what is it's real purpose?

Last year they would have been on that story like there was no tomorrow.

The only thing that has changed on my end is that I have identified jews as the operative force behind White genocide.

And obviously, if that's the way I'm going to define White genocide, they aren't interested in fighting it.

I see only one conclusion to be drawn from this: They're a jewish interest group.
 
Old October 20th, 2014 #236
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Raw Story has picked up the Springfield news story and comments appear to be open.

One interesting thing I've learned from this experience is that the BUGS website has completely blocked my efforts to notify the Swarm of these developments, so that they could swing into action with there stated mission.

What the hell is going on over there?

It's obvious as hell to me that that organization has absolutely no commitment to their stated purpose.

So what is it's real purpose?

Last year they would have been on that story like there was no tomorrow.

The only thing that has changed on my end is that I have identified jews as the operative force behind White genocide.

And obviously, if that's the way I'm going to define White genocide, they aren't interested in fighting it.

I see only one conclusion to be drawn from this: They're a jewish interest group.
You have really created a dilemma for BUGS, Jimmy Marr. You are out there saying things that they would never say while also using verbal formulae that are their shibboleth.

At this point BUGS either has to put on the brakes by becoming explicitly pro-Jew (which would not be an enormous leap, since they are basically already cozying up to Jews with their rhetoric about being fellow victims of "genocide"), or they must acquiesce in the direction that Jimmy Marr is dragging them. They are not going to be able to maintain dissociation from criticism of Jews by keeping silent about it.

There was never anything to prevent anyone from doing this. As a matter of fact, one could argue that some of the BUGSters have been abusing the BUGS message for years, by espousing it together with "anti-Nazi" (i.e. anti-White) views that Bob Whitaker himself seemingly does not support. At one point Horus came down on some of them for that, because their statements on Stormfront were attracting a lot of negative attention to BUGS within WN, but those individuals were not excommunicated from BUGS, and now are most likely the instigators of the excommunication of Jimmy Marr for diverting BUGS into a truer pro-White direction, away from the "anti-Nazi" direction that they prefer.

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One thing that strikes me about the BUGS controversy is that when this plan was first being touted, "The Mantra" was supposed to be waterproof. A concise argument that would resist any attempt to undermine it, so long as it was used consistently.

In that conception, talking about Jews was only a problem because it was going off topic, and gave people an excuse to discuss something other than The Mantra. It was considered a dilution, not some sort of subversion. Adding Jews to the debate slowed progress, it didn't push you backwards.

And after all, how would it succeed in a pitched propaganda war if the "anti-Whites" could ruin it by pretending to be Jimmy Marrs? Obviously it wouldn't get very far.
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Old October 21st, 2014 #238
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I get the impression that Mr. Linder "gives a shit" about Griffin. Greggy does. Hadding too.
Not really. I rarely look at anything on Occidental Dissent, although HW has written a few good things. Southern regionalism just seems extraordinarily quaint to me, and pretending that Blacks in themselves exercise some significant power in the USA is a ridiculous error.

He also has a lot of anti-racist trolls posting there, and it seems to me that he is way too comfortable with them and unfortunately seems to give some weight to their opinions.

The general tone of that blog consequently, with the trolls and with the premises of Southern regionalism and "Black-Run America," is not very serious. It's like a bunch of goofy adolescents.

At least HW, and eventually even his boneheaded admin Jack Ryan, finally caught on about Tubby Tubbington, after Tubby attacked them over some trivial perceived slights.

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Old October 21st, 2014 #239
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with the trolls and with the premises of Southern regionalism and "Black-Run America,"
I like the idea of independence for everyone, even if it is unlikely to happen overnight, but the use of the phrase "Black-Run America" is annoying.

I'd also like to criticize Greg Johnson's writings at Counter-Currents:

1. If he has decided not to expose the holocaust propaganda as a pack of lies, absurdities and racial calumnies, he should simply keep away from the subject.

2. Apart from that, what is annoying with him is that on the one hand, he likes to show that he is fully aware of the seriousness of the Jewish problem. And on the other hand, he keeps publishing articles that completely forget to mention the Jewish responsibility.

That is the case with his latest two articles :

First article, written by himself: The city of Paris decided last week to set up a giant 24 meter high Christmas butt plug on an historical square. It is a butt plug, but its color is green, and they say it is a tree (which really means a Christmas tree). That kind of provocation obviously comes from the Jews in power. But their role is not mentioned in the article. I fail to see how it is useful for White Nationalists to mention that story if the responsibility of the Jews is not mentioned. Maybe Johnson thinks it's enough to mention that in the reader comments?

Second article: A translation of an article by the French author Guillaume Faye with the title: "Islamism is Less Dangerous than Islam", where we can read things like this :

- Only the ignorant believe that there is a fundamental difference between Islam and Islamism

- the smart and cunning Arab-Muslims who want to gently conquer Europe (though immigration and demography)

- “Islamophobia” is not condoned by the “secular” state. While Christianophobia is ignored and Judeophobia repressed softly


In fact, no one cares about islam, the problem is race-replacement. And the invasion is organized by the Jews, not by the third-worlders. Criticism of the Jewish dictatorship is punished much more severely than anything else. The punishment of islamophobia and invasionphobia is meted out by the Jews, not by the Arabs. Attacks against Christianity mainly come from the Jews and are not punished at all. The idea that islam can't be separated from "islamism" is a theory popularized by Jewish neocon bloggers and phony islam specialists, but I think it is easier to separate islam from islamism than Jews from zogism. I'm sure it is possible to have a peaceful muslim society. In any case, islam is only a pretext to racial, ethnic, or political violence. It isn't the cause of the violence. So, Guillaume Faye's article is completely wrong.

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But at the same time, the blog has lots of articles explaining the Jewish problem in a straightforward way. Why the need to counterbalance jew-wise articles with things like Guillaume Faye's essays?
 
Old October 21st, 2014 #240
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Eating Their Own: Several Feuds Erupt Among White Nationalists

By Keegan Hankes on October 21, 2014 - 11:59 am, Posted in Academic Racism, Racism, White Nationalism, White Supremacist



Pictured: Colin Liddell playing a magic flute he will use to open a portal to a wizard realm, wherein he will steal a secret potion which will save the White race

Over the past couple of weeks, the so-called “academic” racists of the white nationalist movement have set academics aside and instead devolved into an online battle in the style of the Hatfields and McCoys.

In the wake of several recent events, including the arrest and deportation of Richard Spencer from Hungary and the state senatorial campaign of Kentucky neo-Nazi Robert Ransdell, some of the biggest names in white nationalist circles are taking sides and taking turns publicly skewering each other on their respective websites.

White nationalist and neo-Confederate Brad Griffin (aka Hunter Wallace) compiled a list of “beefs” among white nationalists and posted them recently to his Occidental Dissent site. One commenter noted, “The easier list to compile would have been who isn’t fighting whom.” And indeed, from the length of the list Griffin posted, the commenter may be right.

The long list includes familiar and ongoing feuds, such as those between longtime white supremacist Harold Covington, and well, everyone, as well as Vanguard National News site founder Alex Linder (also with pretty much everyone). However, there are many new and unexpected conflicts within the movement that, ironically, calls for the need for solidarity in its mission.

In particular, unexpected spats have surfaced between several well-known white nationalists including Greg Johnson of Counter-Currents and Richard Spencer of the National Policy Institute (NPI). Both are hailed as “academics” by their peers.

Andrew Anglin of the increasingly popular neo-Nazi site Daily Stormer, meanwhile, has been engaged in a war of words with Colin Liddell of the white nationalist Alternative Right, a site that was originally founded by Richard Spencer. The site was abruptly shut down by Spencer in 2013 until Liddell, who is based in the UK, took its reins.

The Johnson-Spencer conflict emerged in the wake of the near-collapse of NPI’s conference in Budapest. Johnson cancelled his plans to attend and requested a refund of registration fees from NPI when the Hungarian government threatened arrests and deportations for attendees.

Despite the fact that several of the event’s most noteworthy names, among them representatives from Jobbik, the hard-right, Hungarian nationalist party, and Aleksandr Dugin, a pro-Russian favorite of traditionalists and the European new right, had withdrawn, Spencer and others journeyed into Hungary to be met by police at the event. Spencer was rewarded with several nights in prison before being deported and banned from returning for several years.

None of this sat well with Johnson. “The final straw for me,” he commented at Occidental Dissent, “was Richard’s disastrous mishandling of the Budapest conference. When a foreign government tells you that your conference is banned and that the police will take the necessary steps to make sure it does not take place, you do not vow defiance.” He got personal in another comment when he said, “Richard is basically being dominated by Nina Nogoodnik, his Russian-Georgian wife.”

Johnson also penned a post and multiple comments at his own website, Counter-Currents, and attacked Spencer for his handling of the controversy – particularly his failure to adequately warn attendees of the risks involved with entering Hungary.

Another feud erupted about the same time over Robert Ransdell’s campaign for state Senate in Kentucky. Ransdell, a neo-Nazi, has been posting signs that state, “With Jews, We Lose.” White nationalist “comedian” RamZPaul took exception to Ransdell and openly condemned his campaign.

RamZPaul (Paul Ramsey) has other supporters in his opposition to Ransdell. One writer at white nationalist Robert Whitaker’s BUGS site snarked that Ransdell’s “borderline comatose ‘With Juice you lose’ is the latest drooling from COMIC Book Pro-Whites.”

In the same article, Whitaker attacked Stormfront, the world’s largest online white supremacist forum, calling it a vacuum for pro-white energy that is spent arguing on the internet, and preened that he and his followers (known as “BUGSERS” who bombard various websites with variations of “the mantra,” a white supremacist statement that claims “anti-racism is anti-white”) are the only ones who work for the cause and have “VISIBLY destroyed anti-white memes that would be there forever if it had been left to tens of thousands of Stormfronters.”

And then neo-Nazi Andrew Anglin entered the fray of “beefs” with a massive round-up post at his Daily Stormer site, titled “Infinite DramaQuest” in which he adds extra snark by representing each feuding party as a different anime character from the series Dragon Ball Z.

To Anglin, all the battling about what’s best for the movement is ridiculous, because his approach is the best: “You cannot preserve the White race without addressing the Jews. You cannot address the Jews without addressing their hoax. You cannot address their hoax without addressing Adolf Hitler.” That statement opened yet another “beef” with Colin Liddell at Alternative Right.

“What Anglin is unequivocally saying here,” writes Lidell, “is that before you can do anything at all about preserving and protecting the White race – stopping mass immigration, say, or encouraging White women to have at least 2.1 babies – you must first get everyone to love Hitler and hate the Jews, and if you can’t accomplish these supposed preconditions then you had best forget the whole shebang, So what he is really saying is simply: ‘You cannot preserve the White race.’”

Like a tennis match, Anglin hit back, calling Lidell “Mr. Supersmartintellectualguy,” and claiming that he could turn Lidell’s arguments around on him, but “wouldn’t ever do that, because [he has] this thing in [his] back called a ‘vertebral column’ which physically prevents me from being capable of engaging in such base intellectual dishonesty.”

And not one to avoid controversy (or attention), white nationalist Matt Parrott of the Traditionalist Youth Network was willing to throw some more gas on the fire. According to Parrott, who normally shies away from comparisons to Nazism, “The flaw in Anglin’s model is that Nazism isn’t radical enough.”

Meanwhile, over in the vortex that is VNN Forum, Alex Linder is so worked up that he’s posting 1,000-word screeds at a rate that is almost unprecedented for him, even though he’s known for long diatribes. Among these are attacks on almost every major figure, including Johnson and Spencer, involved in a “beef” listed on Occidental Dissent.

“Everybody fails Greggy,” writes Linder in the #1 Infighting, Beefs, Etc. Thread” on VNN Forum. “Then piously he lifts his eyes heavenward, shakes his head nobly and sadly, and earnestly swears to soldier on and do better next time. So sodo-jesusy.”

In the same breath, Linder attacks Spencer, comparing him to Kevin Alfred Strom, a disgraced, former National Alliance leader who is a convicted sex offender.

“Spencer is simply a nebbish. I think of him as a Strom lite. Less brains, less character, even.”

Like some kind of surreal white supremacist version of a telenovela, the drama continues to unfurl. As Brad Griffin suggested at Occidental Dissent, some popcorn might be in order.

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