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Aryan subgroups?
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I am interested in learning about the Aryan "subgroups" that I have heard about - Nordic, Alpine, Mediterranean, and Slavic. Does anyone have any links or information about these distinctions? |
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http://nordish.com/ They are called subraces BTW. |
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Aryan subraces:
Nordid -Hallstatt -Keltic etc... Cromagnid -Dalofaelid -Bruenn etc... Non-Aryan european subraces: Mediterranid -Atlantid etc... Alpinid -Sudetid etc... "white" subraces altered by extra european influence and non-white subraces caucasized by white or Aryan elements: -Baltid -Irano-Nordid -Aethiopid -Scando-Lappid -Berberid -Armenid -Anatolid -Indid -Pontid etc... Non-exhaustive list of course.
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tulpar, are these sub-groups (or sub-races) defined anthropologically (based on physical characteristics)? or genetically, using a clustering algorithm like STRUCTURE (you remember this from the "are russians white" thread)?
clearly the genetic data is more detailed and would lead to more quantifiable clustering into definitive sub-races (and races for that matter). thus in my opinion races and sub-races should be exclusively defined genetically. when K=3 for the STRUCTURE algorithm, the braodly defined negroid, caucasoid, and mongoloid (and pacific islander for K=4) races are clearly in evidence for indigenous africans, europeans, and asians (and pacific islanders). this is a good start for helping to define the races. then within the caucasid race are the indigenous european, semitic, etc... sub-races. and within the european subrace are the sub-groupings you refer to. does this sound about right?
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The main mediterranid types of Europe are the Atlanto-Mediterranid (Northern mediterraneans) and the Iberids (Southern mediterraneans.) Quote:
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hmm I would prefer if races/sub-races were defined genetically since physical characteristics are subject to environmental factors (e.g. injuries, or variations in hormonal levels, etc..). it is too fuzzy to group people anthropologically.
edit: so I take it aryan is the best, which is the best sub-race within aryan? this is a joke btw..
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is nord-indid or Indian's from north-western part of India are sub-race of Aryan race....
according to dna studies they have almost 70% r1a1* |
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The same kind of "debate" could be argued about the Cromagnids, they are afterall the oldest people of Europe and unlike the other tribal subraces they are the ones who have the most Aryanic influence to them. And they are certainly closer to being considered "Aryan" than the mediterranids. It shows as the Irano-Nordid subrace is quite present where the Aryan Kingdom was settled, even though this is proof of remnants from the Aryan presence, of course this type is not "Aryan" since it fell to race-mixing with that of the ones from the non-Aryan variety.
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http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/ You may also be interested in the work of Richard MCculloch, who collaborated with the SNPA intensively and has picked up the torch of men such as Wilmot Robertson in defending Northern European genetic interests. You can find his excellent web site, which contains a great deal of information regarding Physical Anthropology, here: http://www.racialcompact.com/ I also recommend you take a look at Karl Earlson's research, particularly if you're interested in ancient history: http://www.white-history.com/earlson/index.htm Of course, nothing is better than having an actual book to read. If you ever see a copy of Dr. Carleton Coon's The Races of Europe, which is long out of print, grab it! Dr. Hans F.K Günther is also a great resource. If you don't speak German, there is an English language translation of his Racial Elements of European history, which can be found rather cheaply at places like abebooks.com. Richard McCulloch's four books -- The Racial Compact (1994), The Nordish Quest (1989), Destiny of Angels (1986), and The Ideal and Destiny (1982) --are available for purchase through his site. One last note: I believe the SNPA's most recent incarnation is not its finest. Much of the material from Günther was phased out, for example; this may have something to do with the Draconian laws in Europe. You can see its previous incarnations at archive.org
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There are just three root races....black, White and yellow; anything else is the result of race mixing.
There are no White racial sub-groups, there is only White or non-White. |
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While there are different systems of taxonomy in the realm of Physical Anthropology (Ripley, Coon, Woltmann, Hooton, Günther, etc.), which can make some of this terminology confusing when it is used without a frame of reference, such as a citation, the fact remains that genetic cleavages (sub-races) do exist within the European people. It doesn't matter what you choose to call them, but they do exist and can be quantified.
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This subject has already been critiqued before and no one has ever competently answered to the critique.
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What's the point of doing genetic tests when you cannot find a population? Every single species biologists have classified through sequencing have had an actual physical population that could be identified, this is a paramount principal which most seem completely ignorant and blind to. If you cannot find a consistently interbreeding stable population within some time frame you have absolutely no basis whatsoever to come to the conclusion that there exists a species (or sub race as you like to say) where you think there is one. At any rate the classical heroes - such as Grant and Guenthar didn't even contribute anything to this field, that is they had nothing unique to give anthropologically. The sub racial idea and "discovery" of the Nord was done by Deniker (Albeit commendably without any ideology) all Guenthar and Grant did was tag on their own opinions and historical outlook, basically they were thinking up a novel background for these sub races by observing Europid history. Comically, this outlook on history was rejected by the Third Reich itself (Which in all had only 5% pure Nords , meaning that this forum has approximately 0.00% Nords ) . In the end the only person worth recognizing for any sort of real work would probably be Deniker as someone who studied haplotype but failed to realize that what he was seeing was diversity . There is no sub race of Drosophilia with white eye color, or red eye color, or brown eye color that is genetic diversity at work if every novel genetic snippet made us a sub race then it would be viable to just say that each individual is his own sub race, if that is so what is the purpose of such a label to begin with? Species is a meaningful, well developed concept, sub race is not. Last edited by psychologicalshock; September 11th, 2009 at 08:30 PM. |
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