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Old February 12th, 2011 #261
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Communism is a reaction to industrialization.
Except the 1871 Commune was in Paris, not Manchester or Birmingham. Communism could more plausibly be a reaction to the lack of industrialization.

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But Christianity hasn't been in direct conflict with ethno-nationalism. Reference the Third Reich.
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On the Church and the German Reich

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8. Whoever exalts race, or the people, or the State, or a particular form of State, or the depositories of power, or any other fundamental value of the human community -- however necessary and honorable be their function in worldly things -- whoever raises these notions above their standard value and divinizes them to an idolatrous level, distorts and perverts an order of the world planned and created by God; he is far from the true faith in God and from the concept of life which that faith upholds.
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11. None but superficial minds could stumble into concepts of a national God, of a national religion; or attempt to lock within the frontiers of a single people, within the narrow limits of a single race, God, the Creator of the universe, King and Legislator of all nations before whose immensity they are "as a drop of a bucket" (Isaiah xI, 15).
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A year later, on March 6, 1938, Pope Pius XI said, “Mark well that in the Catholic Mass, Abraham is our patriarch and forefather. Anti-Semitism is incompatible with the lofty thought which that fact expresses. It is a movement with which we Christians can have nothing to do. No, no, I say to you it is impossible for a Christian to take part in anti-Semitism. It is inadmissible. Through Christ and in Christ we are the spiritual progeny of Abraham. Spiritually, we are all Semites.”
http://www.secondexodus.com/html/vat...ies/jewish.htm
 
Old February 12th, 2011 #262
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So I gotta chime in here because I am a proud Christian. Now I'm not saying that all of you gotta believe what I believe, not at all actually. And I can respect that many of you don't believe in religion.

But he're's what I gotta say. You might not know but Christianity at its ROOTS was actually pretty accurate about the nature of the jews. Just look at the Gospels, early popes, Martin Luther and such. These folks knew that it was the satanic jews that killed Christ, not the Romans. And it was the jews that had the arly Christian rounded up and killed. Christians expelled jews TIME and TIME again from their country back in the day. These folks understood that jewish people have a bad influence on any culture.

I guess my thesis is that if you could get Christianity and Christians back to their jew-wise roots, you could help fire up the good Christians in this country to fight back against jewish control and corruption. Again I UNDERSTAND that you might not like the teachings of Jesus or what not. But this owuld be an alliance of CONVENIENCe for y'all. Just like I think it would be in the interest of white nationals to allie themselves with folks like the Nation of Islam or the black Panthers...not because you agree with them but because you share certain goals and beliefs. Just my two cents, but I think you're barking up the wrong tree by hating on Christianity.

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Old February 12th, 2011 #263
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I love bible stories.

From the book of Mike:

Mikey 12:15 And the good and godly man did take 15 talents, and with good intent did give them 5 to each of three virgins.

And the first virgin, being of frivolous mind, did spend the 5 talents on gifts, both for her and some for the good and godly man.

And the second virgin, being of cautious mind, did take of her 5 talents and put them away in a secret place, where they neither lost nor gained value.

And the third virgin, being of wise mind, did invest of her 5 talents, thereby earning an additional 2 talents.

Now, of the three virgins, which did the good and godly man take as wife?

Mikey 12:16 Therefore, the good and godly man did marry the one with the biggest tits.


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I've always tried to live my life in accordance with the wise words of the prophet, Mikey. One of my favorite passages:

Mikey 14:88 ...And thus dideth the pickle-snoot come forth and speaketh in the most foulest words of genocidal, anti-White pickle-snootiness.

But Mikey shunned the malevolent beast, and did lifteth his 44 magnum and spake, "thou has to ask-eth thyself one question; do thou-est feel-est lucky? Well do thou, punk?"

And with great peeing of pants did the pickle-snoot tremble as Mikey discharged his holy homicidal handgun, thus blowing the pickle-snoots head clean off...
 
Old February 12th, 2011 #264
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Jews take all sides of all arguments.

Evil is claimed to come from jews (sinagogue of satan, et cetera). Then the divine answer- the redeemer- a jew, a perfect jew.

Problem-reaction-solution. They (jews) offer up a solution to what they have caused.

Poison-jewish
Antidote-also jewish


Dollar decimated. Solution, another jew currency, from world central bank this time. Jew problem, jew solution.



Jews take all sides to all issues.
 
Old February 12th, 2011 #265
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Except the 1871 Commune was in Paris, not Manchester or Birmingham. Communism could more plausibly be a reaction to the lack of industrialization.



Yes, let's do that:

On the Church and the German Reich

MIT BRENNENDER SORGE

ENCYCLICAL OF POPE PIUS XI ON THE CHURCH AND THE GERMAN REICH MARCH 14, 1937





http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius11/P11BRENN.HTM



http://www.secondexodus.com/html/vat...ies/jewish.htm
Good point.

But to get nitpicky, reading that declaration in context, it's a reaction to Germany not fulfilling it's end of the bargain after the National Socialists consolidated power, and to the rise of the pagan-ish blood and soil stuff coming up rather than a condemnation of National Socialism. He even uses the words "honorable" and "necessary" in relation.

I've never read anything on him, but I've seen him slandered in every mention. The way you see him portrayed, he was Hitler's brother from another mother because of his "silence" on the holohoax and allegations he helped Germans escape to Argentina. I think I remember the Vatican was going to give him sainthood recently and Abe Foxman stuck his nose in claiming he was an anti-semite or some such. Guess honest Abe considers anyone who doesn't kowtow to jews enough anti-semitic.
 
Old February 12th, 2011 #266
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Personally I've found far more subtle anti-jewish loathing in Christians than I've found in the secular world but as a [quite unorthodox] Catholic I guess that's almost de rigeur (because so many of the Fathers talked in a less than complementary manner about the jews; for example). My experience with the Protestant churches is however generally less positive because of their literalism and their often drawing on supposed 'the jewish roots of Christianity'. I'm not trying to get into theological discourse but rather enlarging upon your point from my own perspective as a Catholic and as a National Socialist.
Karl - another poster is this thread has mentioned the above post from you, elsewhere on VNN.

I got the impression from other posts of yours that you were anti-Christian and more or less took the Alex Linder line on this. But it seems this is maybe not the case??

I wonder - can you explain how it is that you're an "unorthodox Catholic"? Which parts of "official" Catholicism do you accept and which do you reject? For example - do you accept the Nicene Creed?

Is it possible to be an "unorthdox Catholic"? I mean if you cease to believe foundational things like the creed, the authority of the Pope on faith and morals etc, don't you cease to be a Catholic?

Also - how do you reconcile being a Catholic (albeit an "unorthodox" one) with being a National Socialist? Aren't they mutually exclusive "ideologies", at the end of the day?

I would be very interested to read anything you have to say, on the above.

Please note - I am absolutely not trying to be a smart-ass or to pick a fight. I'm genuinely interested. You're obviously very well read and a deep thinker so I ask purely out of interest. And yes I realise you don't need to explain yourself to me or anyone else on VNN, but I hope you will reply anway....
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Old February 12th, 2011 #267
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Your own thought please: I am not interested in answering people who just quote other people's essays as stand-alone justification for their personal position. That is simply intellectual laziness and cowardice of the highest order.
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A) Your whole argument implicitly assumes that you Frederick know the exact and truthful interpretation of Bible; aka God's revealed word, which therefore can only be said to point to your personal belief that you know the mind of God and that therefore you are on a par with God or are directly inspired by God. Since he is closer to God than you are, then he would know more about it than you do. You seem to have the rabbinical idea that fancy words are superior to knowledge of God. You have the fancy words but you don't have a knowledge of God. So, Karl, you are an idiot who uses fancy words to hide the fact of your idiocy. Nice try but no cigar.

You have two choices there: you can either declare your interpretation to be merely your personal opinion (as opposed to objective fact) or you can claim to be directly inspired by God [for which you can offer no proof and for which I'd probably question your sanity and/or your motives]? And the third choice (beyond the mere two that you grant in your omniscient conceit) is that he is merely stating the facts of religion while you are imagining what pleases you.

Logic is a bitch: huh? Too bad that logic is not your strong suit.

B) You say that because your interpretation of the Bible doesn't support Marxism that Christianity does not support Marxism, which assumes that Christianity is only your interpretation of the Bible and that your interpretation of the Bible is the objective truth of the matter.Of course, since you support the Jewish interpretation of the Bible, then you support Communism. So, when someone claims that Christianity does not support Communism, you disagree since you seem to think that Christianity is only an evolution of Judaism.

The Fabian Society; for example, would disagree with you.Who cares about the perverted Fabian Society and their bevy of prancing faggots and demon Commies? Does this mean that because you agree with the Fabian society that you are a perverted faggot and Commie? I think you are.

C) I didn't say that Bible supported Marxism: I said (or rather implied as I assumed you'd have more than two brain cells) that standard Christian beliefs and interpretations throughout history have directly lead to the logic and rationality that forms the basic assumptions of and the intellectual basis for Marxism. There is a distinct difference as you'd know IF you paid attention. IF you weren't such a bald-faced liar, you would not make such ridiculous assertions that have absolutely zero basis in anything other than your deceits.

D) How can the Bible say the 'opposite' of Marxism when the Bible contains (for example) the Sermon on the Mount (which Oliver aptly called 'Drivel on the Mount'), which is about close to Marxism as one gets without being an dialectical materialist? Again, you are an atheistic pile of ignorance (if I can be kind) or you are a kike-a-like who studies the Talmud so you can deceive white people with your BS.

I'll quote part of it just for your selective memory: So you seem to think that your mockery can carry the argument? Wrong, Radl, you twit. I won't let you get away with it.

If that isn't nascent thoughts about class warfare and the dictatorship of the proletariat (incidentally confirmed by Pliny the Younger in his 'Letters to Trajan' and also later by Celsus in his writings on Christianity) then I don't know what is.Of course, you don't know what it is. You are a mental midget with a dictionary, looking up words so that you appear to have some intelligence. You thumb through the Talmud to pretend that you are a rabbi to bring darkness to Mankind.

I could go on, but I won't as I probably lost you and your single brain cell in when I used concepts that aren't found in Yahweh's little story book.
Karl Riddle, you don't know anything. Even an idiot like me can see that. So, how stupid are you really, if even the idiots can see through your bullshit. No atheist has a chance of ever winning an argument over God. So, give it up, Moron.

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Old February 12th, 2011 #268
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Jeezus Christ on a stick, Banjo! Karl Radl really seems to have gotten to you.

What did he do? Laugh at your book or something?

And using all them big words. Why a xtian needs a dictionary just to read his posts. He's just gotta be an atheist to talk like that.

Get a grip, bilbo.

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Old February 12th, 2011 #269
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Karl Riddle, you don't know anything. Even an idiot like me can see that. So, how stupid are you really, if even the idiots can see through your bullshit. No atheist has a chance of ever winning an argument over God. So, give it up, Moron.
Now now, Banjo, don't be that way. Just because you got your ass handed to you for the umpteenth time. Condescending sophistry and solipsistic argument will get you nowhere in the real world.

(Jesus H. Christ on motherfucking roller skates! This shit ain't hardly fun anymore!)
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Now now, Banjo, don't be that way. Just because you got your ass handed to you for the umpteenth time. Condescending sophistry and solipsistic argument will get you nowhere in the real world. (Jesus H. Christ on motherfucking roller skates! This shit ain't hardly fun anymore!)
Nobody has been able to refute me, so far, and certainly not a duffus like you.

All you atheist assholes have is mockery and villany, nothing more. You are all such a noisy bunch, brash and nasty. That's all that you've got, like a bunch of yapping jackels.

But you're too easy, I don't like picking on a half-wit.

Come out Karl Ridl and defend yourself, you kosher creep.
 
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Don't you ever tire of sniffing your own farts, self-important jackass?
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Call me a jew, banjo bullshitty. I dare ya!
I double fuckin' dare ya!
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Call me a jew, banjo bullshitty. I dare ya!
I double fuckin' dare ya!
Those who keep company with devils, need no further admonition. Jews are devils; though you claim not to be a Jew, you are certainly a demon. Your nastiness isn't worth a reply. Say something intelligent and maybe I will give you the benefit of my erudition since I can't reach out and give you the proper reward of a good beat down, you punk.

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Old February 13th, 2011 #274
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A pea-brained moron like Banjo Billy is a prime example of why all of christendom must be ruthlessly eradicated from our Race. He honestly believes in a fairy tale and defends his ludicrous beliefs will all his heart. If that foolishness didn't have such dire consequences for our Race I would say it was simply laughable. The problem is fools like Banjo are aiding and abetting the jews in our Race's demise. Christianity must and will be destroyed.
 
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A pea-brained moron like Banjo Billy is a prime example of why all of christendom must be ruthlessly eradicated from our Race. He honestly believes in a fairy tale and defends his ludicrous beliefs will all his heart. If that foolishness didn't have such dire consequences for our Race I would say it was simply laughable. The problem is fools like Banjo are aiding and abetting the jews in our Race's demise. Christianity must and will be destroyed.
You guys are like dogs fighting over a racoon hide. You all clamp your teeth into it, give it a violent shake and tug and pull, butt first, for all you're worth.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Religion is what is most valuable; and it can be found in other religions besides Christianity. Like most of the Christians that you despise, you fools don't understand Christianity because you don't understand religion, in general.

Some of you profess an admiration for European pagan beliefs, but if I told you how Odin gained his powers, you wouldn't understand because it is really all religion that you fight against. Thus, even the knowledge of your own beliefs is closed to you.

For those of you who attack Christianity while claiming that there is a better way through your pagan beliefs, then put your heart and mind where your mouth is and produce something positive about your beliefs than all of your brazen bullshit. For you atheists, you have no hope whatsoever because all religions are closed to you ... forever.

If you have no religious knowledge to cite, then how can you claim to possess such a wealth of vindictive malice toward something that is beyond your understanding such as Christianity? Surely, you can quote the pagan sages or give an example of what your particular beliefs offer to its adherents, can't you? No, of course, you can't because you are all atheist, empty, hollow creatures, in fear of both Life and Death, with nothing to show of your own and nothing to share with your fellow men. You all have only your rage; rage that you have abandoned God and and fallen into darkness through your own choice. The rage is unnaturally expressed by blaming anyone but yourselves for your errors.

You want to argue that Race is suffering because of Christianity even while history has shown that Christianity is one thing that brought our Race to the pinnacle of world power. The present demise of the white race is due only to the Jews (devils all) and to a lack of understanding about Christianity.

Yes, Christianity has some innate errors that must be corrrected. That, I don't argue against. But certainly not someone as low in religious knowledge as you, is going to do anything about it. Rather than be just a dumb doofus, why not educate yourself on the various religions, and then come back for a discussion of what you have found. What you will find when you do is your own True Self. At this time, however, you are lost. Rage and spit and scream all you want; it won't do you any good as you are dragged into the Fire.
 
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The Aryan Race brought the Roman Empire to the pinnacle of it's power and your religious fairy tale was the prime cause of it's fall. When true White Nationalists secure power here I can't wait to burn, stomp, and shoot this jewish poison from my lands. Jeebus will not save you and before we're through millions will either disavow such nonsense or go to meet their jewish savior. We shall see who fears Death.
 
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But to get nitpicky, reading that declaration in context, it's a reaction to Germany not fulfilling it's end of the bargain after the National Socialists consolidated power, and to the rise of the pagan-ish blood and soil stuff coming up rather than a condemnation of National Socialism. He even uses the words "honorable" and "necessary" in relation.
He's saying exactly what Alex is saying: you have to choose which you put first: race or Christianity. Or using his own term, are you a spiritual Aryan or a spiritual Semite?
 
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The Aryan Race brought the Roman Empire to the pinnacle of it's power and your religious fairy tale was the prime cause of it's fall. When true White Nationalists secure power here I can't wait to burn, stomp, and shoot this jewish poison from my lands. Jeebus will not save you and before we're through millions will either disavow such nonsense or go to meet their jewish savior. We shall see who fears Death.
If you knew history better, you would understand that the Roman Empire began to self-destruct on it's own. First, by allowing Senators to become capitalists and thus to determine Imperial policy for their own greedy ends. This began during the First Punic War. Second, by allowing the Jews to gain control of the money supply through the issue of gold and silver coins rather than the Roman fiat cash. This sucked the economic vitality out of the Empire. And third, because Rome was always ruled by what amounted to lawless thugs in togas. Christianity's effect on Rome was always and in every respect beneficial.

Rome was not the pinnacle of white civilization. For that you would have to look at 17th and 18th and 19th Century Europe.

Save you rage for the Jews who deserve every bit of it and more.
 
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I'm curious, Mr. Billy. If you had a choice between a xtian state and a White Nationalist state.....which one would you choose?
 
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So I gotta chime in here because I am a proud Christian.


 
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