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Old May 2nd, 2015 #21
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Old May 3rd, 2015 #22
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The old german citizenship laws say you have to have at least a german father to become a german citizen.
Concerning the return of diaspora Germans, contemporary law allows a German grandparent for a diasporant to gain residencey.
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Old May 3rd, 2015 #23
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This is a thread dedicated to "blood nationalism", which sorta takes what was best about national socialism, the importance of honoring the sanctity of the blood of the nation, and discards the extraneous stuff, like requiring that a dictator lead the nation.

A blood-nation is one which sees as its first duty preventing (undue) outside influence on its peoples' genetic heritage.

I think it's most powerful to use the analogy of mother and child to defend this ideology; people will say it is evil, racist, will lead to war and genocides, etc... But mothers aren't evil for loving their children over unrelated persons; a mother doesn't kill off unrelated children to give her child an edge, because she recognizes those children belong to other mothers who feel the same way she does about her child, and it would be evil to kill them; likewise a blood-nation would (hopefully) never attempt to "kill" another blood-nation (i.e. genocide their people) because they fully realize how evil it would be. And, in fact, if blood-nations are somehow prevented from forming by the globalists, people will eventually miscegenate and it's like the potential nations of the world are obliterated, which is unacceptable.

Also, why should Israel be allowed to have blood-nationalism but not us goyim?

Any rate, I hope people will think about whether blood-nationalism is something positive we can get behind and promote as WNs. Comments, concerns, criticisms are appreciated.
Good stuff. People rally behind simple things. Things that can be explained/understood quickly by the largest section of The Bell Curve possible.

Blood, or at least the concept of it, has been integral to talking monkey society all through history. With our increasing understanding of genetics, preserving those genetics could sell.
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Old May 3rd, 2015 #24
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That's why neither the Kwa nor, to a much lesser degree, any of the other "New Worlds" is a suitable genetic base for blood nationalism, like the origin tribes in Europe are. Keeping the Kwa White, however, is important for other reasons which are geo-political. A Brazilian Kwa is a threat to Europe, because a Mongrel society no longer has ties to its partial-European roots.
A Brazilian Kwa isn't a threat to Europe, because mongrel societies aren't functional.

The Jews know that Whites make better civilizations and have the best armies, this is why they sized control of the UK, US, URSS ...

The Judaized White Kwa always have been the biggest threat to Europe and the country that profited the most with the 1st and 2nd Word Wars.
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Old May 3rd, 2015 #25
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Good stuff. People rally behind simple things. Things that can be explained/understood quickly by the largest section of The Bell Curve possible.

Blood, or at least the concept of it, has been integral to talking monkey society all through history. With our increasing understanding of genetics, preserving those genetics could sell.
Key point is shared blood and values serves to create a "nation" (a "people") with a shared destiny, a shared narrative, a shared vision and hope for the future, and this is where all power derives from. Having a "homeland" is of course also key here, to allow a nation-state, which gives arms, voice to the nation's aspirations.

But the actual handful of folks who run the state, they are of relatively minor importance; if they are killed, the nation will just put in other folks to represent them; that's why it is a robust scenario: if the nation is strong, with a strong sense of common purpose and destiny, the nation-state will be strong.

The Hitler fanboys have their focus totally inverted, believing if the leader of the nation-state is strong, then he will impart his strength, top-down, onto the nation, which is supposed to submit to his vision under threat of violence, like the weak-willed yes-men of Nazi Germany. No, power comes from the nation; the leader is only their mouthpiece. As soon as the leader starts to sing out of tune, he is replaced.
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The Hitler fanboys have their focus totally inverted, believing if the leader of the nation-state is strong, then he will impart his strength, top-down, onto the nation, which is supposed to submit to his vision under threat of violence, like the weak-willed yes-men of Nazi Germany. No, power comes from the nation; the leader is only their mouthpiece. As soon as the leader starts to sing out of tune, he is replaced.
An organized attack requires an organized defense.

All the blood nations of Europe have been subverted by organized attacks by jewry. Folk traditions, instincts, implicit defenses and occasional White riots weren't enough to save them.

Hitler actually lead a movement that drove the jews from power. Learn from him.
 
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The Hitler fanboys have their focus totally inverted, believing if the leader of the nation-state is strong, then he will impart his strength, top-down, onto the nation, which is supposed to submit to his vision under threat of violence, like the weak-willed yes-men of Nazi Germany. No, power comes from the nation; the leader is only their mouthpiece. As soon as the leader starts to sing out of tune, he is replaced.
A nation driven by individuality will always be subverted and then controlled by jews. Its been historically proven more than once that a strong leader with a set-in-stone set of values who is a patriot for their Nation like Hitler was is exactly the sorta movement that would be successful at creating the "Blood Nationalism" you speak of. We get why you're so butthurt about Hitler, Georgie. But its contrary to any legitimate point you were trying to make about "Blood Nationalism" by bashing the very man who was the last person in Europe to establish a "Blood Nationalism" in Europe.

But I don't even think "Blood Nationalism" is what you want, Georgie. You're looking for a fag friendly "kosher" Nationalism based around neoconservative values which are an absolute shitstain on legitimate "Blood Nationalism". Quit trying to take a legitimate ideology and inject your fag and Zionist bullshit into it the same way you'd inject your dick into another mans anus. We don't need your queer buttplay perverting our ideologies the same way you degenerates have teamed up with the jews to pervert our entire society.

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Old May 3rd, 2015 #28
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A Brazilian Kwa isn't a threat to Europe, because mongrel societies aren't functional...
Mongrel societies will employ willing and functioning White entities. Just look in the direction of die-hard White Rhodesians and South Africans who still suffer tailoring their lives to an illusion which will never manifest. Thanks to them, former Rhodesia or "Zimbabwe", if you prefer, and Negroid-ruled South Africa will have more time left, before imminently suffering population control through famine and home-made pandemia.
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Old May 3rd, 2015 #29
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The current pseudo-states of Europe are to be viewed as building blocks for establishing "homelands" or "logical nation-states" for the true (blood) nations of Europe.

For example, the people of Austria and Germany are clearly part of a single German Nation (e.g. Austria and Bavaria are more similar than Bavaria and any Northern or Eastern German state), so it's to be expected they will form part of a larger logical nation-state, the homeland for the German People.

Likewise, other logical nation-states will come into existence, like a homeland for the Basques.

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Note: The non-indigenous are still full-fledged citizens of the logical nation-states, and are to be treated equally under the law, and not to be discriminated against by businesses, etc... However, especially if they belong to another nation, they might eventually be encouraged, with full compensation and then some, to become a citizen of the nation-state. If there is no such nation-state willing to accept them they might consider citizenship in a trans-national state like the US, but they should not be forcibly expelled, and should be treated with respect and dignity at all times.

Note that being Blood-French does not make you "superior" to non-Blood-French, or any other peoples; it just makes you better at being "French", which I guess I shouldn't comment on.

Again, the analogy to use to defend the rightness of blood-nationalism is mother and child; we don't force mothers to raise non-biological children, but we allow them to raise biological children; likewise we allow a nation to "raise" its biological offspring; and if we don't allow this, we are effectively condemning the nation to an early grave (genociding the nation, if you will).
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Old May 5th, 2015 #30
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A Brazilian Kwa isn't a threat to Europe, because mongrel societies aren't functional.

The Jews know that Whites make better civilizations and have the best armies, this is why they sized control of the UK, US, URSS ...

The Judaized White Kwa always have been the biggest threat to Europe and the country that profited the most with the 1st and 2nd Word Wars.
People shouldn't be getting tremors at the prospect of being Brazil: it's already here. I've been to Brazil myself, the average group of urban (Sao Paolo) middle class 20 something Brazilians do not look radically different from their kwan counterparts. 1 Asian, 3 racial indescripts (biracial/triracial), 1-2 whites, and a negro.

The big difference is that the disparate small towns in America are still mostly white, in Brazil you see this too but only in the southern part. The big cities of the U.S. and the cities of Brazil, however, it's a photo finish as to which is more mongrelized. People I know from Europe who come to the US for the first time are often shocked at how non-white America is.

The time to worry about becoming Brazil was yesterday. Today whites in America have to figure out how to exist in any shape or form by the next century, because it'll be coming to Hickory, USA very soon. The sole reason America is still on top is a legacy issue, as the US continues sinking and Brazil (rising thanks to the white population in the south) continues going up, you're going to see a dynamic where the two entities will be meeting in the middle.

The system's already laying down contingency plans, IE US rolling back its presence in Asia (to be replaced, in the hopes of Jews, by re-militarized Japan) and its impotence when facing off with Russia in both Europe and the Middle East.
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Concerning the return of diaspora Germans, contemporary law allows a German grandparent for a diasporant to gain residencey.
Some abuse this
There are german emigrants who run out of money or get old in the US and then they come only back to Germany to live here on welfare.

I also heared about some female US cop with german citizenship and she got injured at work and came back to Germany to get free health care...
 
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A blood-nation is one which sees as its first duty preventing (undue) outside influence on its peoples' genetic heritage.
The tribal structure of ancient Israel was a 12-tribe confederation. The origins and operation of this confederacy are obscure in many details.

 
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During the 13th and 14th centuries, the Mongols and their Turkic vassals launched two long, massive invasions of the territory of modern Chechnya (then the Georgian allied Vainakh kingdom of Durdzuketia). They caused massive destruction and human death for the Chechens, but also greatly shaped the people they became afterward. The ancestors of the Chechens bear the distinction of being one of the few peoples to successfully resist the Mongols, not once, but twice, but this came at great cost to them, as their state was utterly destroyed.

These invasions are among the most significant occurrences in Chechen history, and have had long-ranging effects on Chechnya and its people. The determination to resist the Mongols and survive as Vainakh at all costs cost much hardship on the part of ordinary people. There is much folklore on this among the modern Chechen and Ingush. One particular tale recounts how the former inhabitants of Argun (Irgun), during the First Mongolian Invasion and the surrounding area held a successful defense (waged by men, women and children) of the slopes of Mount Tubalosmta..

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There seems to be a misconception that a blood-nation, a people who see protecting their collective genetic heritage as the first duty of the nation, is somehow inherently pro-Jewish (or pro-fag, or pro-capitalism/freedom, or whatever). This is simply not the case.

People will disagree as to how to best defend their collective genetic heritage. Since the attitudes of the nation are reflected in the laws and foreign policy of the nation-state (which serves as the peoples' homeland), each nation-state will be different (e.g. some will be more regulated, some more laissez-faire).

But probably all of them will be less "pro-fag/freedom" than the current trans-national European states, which see as their first duty defending the rights and freedoms of the individual.
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Nah, blood nationalism will give Europe the courage and conviction to stand up for itself again, to refuse to take any crap from anyone, to be proud of its heritage and confident in its future.

It will give Europe the backbone and initiative to handle problems wherever they might come from, Africa or the Middle East, America, China, you name it.

It's time for Europe to kick some ass again like it did up until the wars - and no, I don't mean conquering or killing or exploiting other people... but when a people regain their confidence, their sense of self, suddenly things open up, heroism becomes the norm rather than the exception, innovation flourishes, the world becomes not something that oppresses, but something that challenges and delights.

Look what medieval Europeans did with their crappy religion of Christianity - they gave us science, and the Renaissance; it's time for another Renaissance.

Their blood still flows in our veins. The only thing holding us back is ourselves.
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Why submit to a dictator when you can instead submit to upholding the blood of your forebears? Why elevate a mere person over and above the status of a noble blood principle that serves as the foundation for what binds you together as a people?

It's of course possible for a blood-nation to be led by a single authoritarian leader, as long as that leader keeps true to his first duty of upholding the blood of the people (and is removed from power when he strays from that principle); then, by "submitting" to the leader, you are actually submitting to the blood principle.

It's tempting to view Hitler's Germany as the first blood-nation, if you imagine the yes-men weren't submitting to Hitler, but to the blood principle. But that wasn't the case; Hitler's word was law even when he strayed from the blood principle (if indeed the blood principle was ever first and foremost in his heart); how can any Aryan man submit to a mere person over the blood of his forebears?

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This isn't related to the topic really, but Hitler is the real Jesus figure of the White race. A man of the people who grew up in relatively poor conditions, fought for his country in a world war and who subsequently through sheer will, intelligence and hard work over the years became the leader of a nation that evolved during his leadership into perhaps the most industrious, prosperous, peaceful and militarily strongest nation of the world.

A bit more impressive than chanting from a mountain, or getting crucified without a fight, if I may speak my feeble mind.
No, that is dangerous thinking. Blood nationalists will never submit to a mere person (no matter how exalted some may think he is) over the blood of their forebears.
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Even folks who disagree with blood nationalism believe that blood is the foundation on which all else depends, and that once lost, it can never be regained. What else can that be said of? So how can anything else be of equal importance to the nation?
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One of Georgie's "Blood Nationalist" idols.

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What kind of Adonis-fag shit is this?

The big problem with white nationalism as it is is that its contemporary ideologues have warped a powerful worldview with discourse that attracts all the wrong people- especially gays and women with power fetishes. White nationalism in America, judging from some people I've met (though not all), is like a self-esteem movement. It attracts lots of people fixated on themselves and their own measly existence, with big egos on top of it, like George.

The type of people you need are hyper-altruists who understand discipline and hierarchy, not George Witzgall who squirms at the prospect of taking an order from someone else to do something that may not immediately benefit him in the short-term. If you're polluted by cynicism and have no faith in men or idealism whatsoever, you can't get anything off the ground.

The basic premise may sound cliche, but it needs to be love- for others, not yourself. For everyone everything, like the leftist commander Marcos says, but that's not something Log Cabin republicans like George feel comfortable with.

If you're into these politics, you have to put in everything you got just for the tiny, miniscule prospect that one day you will see the fruits of your labor. There's even a good chance that someone else will bathe in the light you fought tooth and nail to realize, even though you got to enjoy none of it. You have to have a strong personality to withstand the setbacks, betrayals, threats, persecution, and limits on your social and financial growth. If you don't feel it, don't get involved, because you don't have what it takes.

George preaches Jew-denial and conservatism because it's easy. But it won't change anything.
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