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"From now on, my philosophical gentlemen, let us protect ourselves better from the dangerous old conceptual fantasy which posits a 'pure, will-less, painless, timeless subject of cognition,' let's guard ourselves against the tentacles of such contradictory ideas as 'pure reason,' 'absolute spirituality,' 'knowledge in itself'—those things which demand that we imagine an eye which simply can't be imagined, an eye without any direction at all, in which the active and interpretative forces are supposed to stop or be absent—the very things through which seeing first becomes seeing something. Hence these things always demand from the eye something conceptually empty and absurd. The only seeing we have is seeing from a perspective; the only knowledge we have is knowledge from a perspective. The more emotional affects we allow to be expressed in words concerning something, the more eyes, different eyes, we know how to train on the same thing, the more complete our 'idea' of this thing, our 'objectivity,' will be. But to eliminate the will in general, to suspend all our emotions without exception—even if we were capable of that—what would that be? Wouldn't we call that castrating the intellect?" |
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That last quote of Nietzsche's is of course a parroting of Schopenhauer. But let me go back...
Some one mentioned plant's "will to power" and "He's more of a monist - 'there is will to power and nothing else,' he wrote." Of course Schopenhauer maintained this for his Will. So how does calling it a different name make it something different? In dumb objects will is seen in obedience to gravity, and other forces, in plants stimulus, in animals understanding and in men reason and each ensuing category contains all of the previous. Nietzsche would create a teleology with his Superman. He had to find a universal "yes", but Schopenhauer had already dismissed any teleological arguments because there is nowhere to go. This plays into Nietzsche's eternal recurrence fears. Which is to heavy for me to go into in any detail here. Read Schop. Schopenhauer maintained there could be no improvement from man to some Superman because in man the will has the ability to reflect on itself. For the first time it could bring into reflection what it is. Schopenhauer maintained that at this the will being everything could not developmentally go any futher because it had met its brickwall: itself. Any Superman would be aware that what he called his 'I' was no more than a motor car being driven around by the will. In sleep it goes into the garage and the will comes out to turn over the engine once every so often. "For example, Nietzsche’s ideas of the Apollian and the Dionysian in the Birth of Tragedy are largely based upon Schopenhauer’s distinction between representation and will." - http://www.nypl.org/research/chss/gr...che/schop.html And to a certain degree I disagree, but the thought is there. So you see Nietzsche's will was struggling with its reflection. The will could see itself reflected in the world and yet it did not want to be aghast but to give an eternal "Yea!". However he fails mostly, because he, himself, to do this had to do things like create a teleology when he had no foundation for doing so. Thus the will did not see itself clearly enough. It could not say a thorough "yea" because it had not yet seen itself clearly. I should also say most of the descriptions of Supermen show a distinct lack of reflection upon the will thus they would be "untermenschen" and more akin to animals.
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Dear members, I am not "promoting" any books, I was just sharing with you my positive opinion on a book which is innovative and honest, since it is probably one of the very few books on Nietzsche which depicts him as an Aryan pagan, thus repudiating the views of Jews and pseudo "nietzscheans" who have totally distorted this great philosopher's Aryan message. That's all. No need to lambast a book you haven't read!! And what's sad is that this is a pro- aryan book you are lambasting!!! If a Jew had written a book which glorified Nietzsche as a philosemite, would you see the Jews criticizing it or him??? That is the problem with Aryans today, they are extremely and are versed in self-destructive criticism, which is a very great favour to the Jews!! Regarding your forum, I find it very interesting, of course, why else would I join it? Where I am from doesn't matter, since our motto is MY RACE IS MY Nation and "Aryans of the world unite!". The Jews are ruling the world not because they are "superior" (preposterous! They are the typical Subhumans, Untermenschen), but because Aryans have lost faith in themselves and have fallen victim to the myth of Jewish "supremacy" (yuch! The word is revolting when used to describe the typical Menschentiere, human beasts). You will hear more about me, but PLEASE, let us stick together and stop putting ourselves down! This forum is intended for discussion, but POSITIVE discussion in order to find ways to change the pitiful state of the white race, so let's keep it that way! Thanks comrades. Arya |
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'Will to power' and 'Superman' are gibberish beloved of librarians and other indoorsmen. Civilization involves asserting and subordinating will, hopefully in a nigger and jewfree context. We are more together, now cooperating, now competing, than we are alone. The whole debate is beside the point, which is that we just now are beginning to develop the scientific tools to understand what we actually are. Without that knowledge all we can do is close-read behavior. I read Nietzsche because he's funny. Secondarily, he has some good digs at christian pukes. 'Will to power' - that's the stuff of comic books. He's guessing, which he had to since knowledge wasn't available. The baby study KM cites, which shows jew larvae inherently more xenophobic than Aryan babies - that is where you begin to get the truth about 'men' in their various subdivisions.
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That is the same thing. Objectivity = more perspectives (not 'the one' objective perspective). It's in the first book of BGE. Interestingly, Nietzsche was the first to say that Christianity was a Jewish conspiracy against Rome. Pretty much everything in GM book one is in evidence today in the Jewish media pundits - 'hate hating', the attempt to redefine your values, weakness lauded as strength (diversity in a kosher nutshell), the craftiness of the slave caste (Hale's imprisonment), comfort uber alles, etc. He also leads the way out of the gefilte fish's stomach - 'kill your enemies, don't listen to their preaching.' Basically the stuff that science can't get to.
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I don't think Julian the Apostate viewed it this way, because he teamed up with the Jews against the Christians. Julian, there's another dualist. Threw Christianity overboard in favor of the suspiciously similar Mithraism. |
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Because the Romans were the 'baddies' who lost against the great Christian 'goodies' we can hardly claim to be spiritually 'on their side'. We were on Jesus's team. So was Nietzsche - who broke rank and said we're the followers of a Kike Kult against Aryan Rome. There were many Messiahs during that era (Neil Faulkner wrote a History Today article about it). Why would Jeboo give the Romans any more worries than the rest?
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Its quite obvious by reading Nietzsches actual works that he was in no way interested in Nazism, nor is it important. Nietzsches philosophical endevours were interesting and provided tools employed by almost every contintental philosopher since, be they Marxist, right wing, post structuralist, feminist, nazi, whatever.
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I have ordered the book from Amazon.It comes highly recommended.
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This all reminds me of the WWI anti-German propaganda that had the German soldiers charging into battle with a copy of Nietzsche under one arm and a copy of Bernhardi under the other.
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No wonder the Germans lost WWI. They had no room for ammo in their sacks.
I've heard from different sources that the Germans had: the Bible Zarathustra Holderlin's hymns (Heidegger's claim) Bernhardi on their persons.
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Part 5: Natural History of Morals
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That is, I characterize Schopenhauer's position as a defeatist conceit, which is the sort of thing Nietzsche didn't care for. He's as much as saying, "Yessir, just as soon as we came along, the story of evolutionary history was finished...might as well close the book." In contrast, Nietzsche assumes to be true what I said about life being generally unable to predict the nature of its successors and whether such successors will exist, and he continues the trend of the evolutionary past into the future. While it is true that I find Nietzsche more pleasing, it's also true that I find him more reasonable. Jerry Abbott Last edited by Jenab; January 13th, 2006 at 07:35 PM. |
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Life is not worthwhile because of conflict, Schopenhauer says. Embrace conflict because it is the essence of life, Nietzsche says; not to embrace life is the behavior of sick people.
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from the Adelaide Institute
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Nietzsche, Prophet of Nazism: The Cult of the Superman. Unveiling the Nazi Secret Doctrine Author House, Bloomington, Indiana 47403, USA, 2005 www.AuthorHouse.com A Review by Fredrick Toben http://www.adelaideinstitute.org/Think/abirtaha.htm Arya Arhat has been promoting this book various places: New Nation News forum http://www.nnnforum.org/forums/index...6&hl=nietzsche Stormfront http://www.stormfront.org/forum/show...ight=Nietzsche VNN forum http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=25907 Last edited by albion; February 24th, 2006 at 05:48 AM. |
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It takes a shallow mind to think that the only form of warfare is the kind that took place at Troy. These points are why Nietzsche respected the Jews at times. That cunning that allowed them to make fools think they weren't being attacked and subjugated, those fools who could surely react to a knife coming at them, but not to morality. This is a late contribution to this thread, but this point was worth adding for future viewers. |
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