#1 Catalonia Thread

[Alex Linder]

Catalonia election: Separatists win majority

Voters in Spain's Catalonia region have given a majority to parties seeking Catalan independence.

However, Catalan President Artur Mas, who called the early election and pushed for independence, lost seats.

His centre-right CiU remains the largest bloc, winning 50 seats out of 135, down from 62 last time.

The left-wing separatist ERC won 21 seats. But a BBC correspondent says despite their combined majority, the parties may be unable to work together.

Both the CiU and ERC want to hold a referendum on independence from Spain.

A source close to a "disappointed" Catalan President Artur Mas told me a referendum, or at least a public consultation on independence, is "still the plan".

Crucially, my source believes a deal with Esquerra Republicana, the centre-left pro-independence party which increased its share of the vote last night, "has to be possible" as there is "no other alternative".

However a pact between CiU - Mr Mas's centre-right nationalist coalition - and Esquerra Republicana will not be easy. The two are poles apart on the crucial issue of the economy and how to tackle the economic crisis in Catalonia.

CiU has implemented austerity measures, including controversial cuts to the public sector. It is possible it will want to implement more economic reforms, which Esquerra Republicana is likely to oppose.

My sense therefore is that, following last night's election result, a referendum on independence from Spain is less likely, because of the fact that the political process going forward has become even more complicated than it was before.

Bittersweet victory

Mr Mas told the BBC he would consult the people on independence within the next four years.

"I am happy with tonight's results," he said, "but not as happy as I could have been."

Mr Mas called early elections after a funding row with the central government in Madrid.

It has accused him of trying to exploit the economic crisis, saying Catalan nationalists were looking for excuses after nearly running out of money.
European membership?

Mr Mas says the wealthy and influential north-eastern region gets a raw funding deal from the central government. His centre-right Catalan nationalist coalition (CiU) argues a Catalan state would fare better as a member of the EU than a province of Spain.

The European flag was prominent at Mr Mas's campaign rallies, and he says an independent Catalonia would quickly gain membership of the 27-member bloc.

However, the Esquerra Republicana de Catalunya (ERC), the Republican Left party, has more than doubled its previous share of seats - up from 10 in 2010 to 21 this time.

That has been seen partly as a reaction to Mr Mas's resort to austerity measures to fight Catalonia's debt.

CiU and the ERC have very different views of how to address the economic crisis, says the BBC's Tom Burridge, in the Catalan regional capital Barcelona.

The result may actually mean a referendum on independence from Spain is therefore less likely, because the political process has become even more complicated, our correspondent says.

It was already far from straightforward, he says.

A referendum would be illegal under the current Spanish constitution, and Spain's ruling Popular Party is likely to block any attempts for constitutional change.

Other parties, such as the Ciutadans, the Popular Party of Catalonia and the Socialist Party of Catalonia are all opposed to Catalonia's independence bid.

Are you in Catalonia? What is your reaction to the election result? Who did you vote for? What do you think about the issue of independence? You can send us your views using the form below.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20482719

[Serbian]

Not that I am against the Catalans but these independence movements are all pro EU. Seen it with Montenegro and Scotland where the most fervent supporters of the break up of Serbia and the UK were/are the most extreme leftists. Not saying that the loyalists are much better but these people are even worse.

In any case I see nothing here worth getting too excited over. If they do secede they will be just another EU member puppet state with the same liberalism that Spain has. These secession movements are certainly not opposed by the EU, unlike the Bosnian Serb one which has been crushed by military force and foreign occupation.

EU flags dominate at every Catalan independence rally.

[N.M. Valdez]

I've been to Catalonia. The entire region was a hotbed of anarchist activity (via the CNT-FAI) during the Spanish Civil War. They share some of the same opposition to Castilian ethno-cultural supremacy that the Basques do, the type that saw their own distinct culture repressed under General Franco's regime.

It's similar to many Latin American social justice movements too. Catalans probably wouldn't be enthusiastic supporters of white supremacist movements, and their fictional elements of European cultural unity.

[Serbian]

Spain leaving the EU would be much more interesting from a WN perspective than Catalonia leaving Spain.

[Ryan Smith]

Originally Posted by Serbian

Spain leaving the EU would be much more interesting from a WN perspective than Catalonia leaving Spain.

Would Catalonia be included in the EU or would they have to apply for membership? Don't know how that would work.

[The Truth At Last]

Nick Griffin MEP ‏@nickgriffinmep
Spanish comrades missed out on seats. Election became duel between pro- & anti-independence forces so immigration & globalism off agenda.

[Alexsander]

Most of the parties in Catalonia are racist and nationalist. They have about 16,000 sikhs who know the time for being shipped home approaches. Nationalism is exploding in Europe as economies rapidly deteriorate. White lefties are coming to reason as well. Inferior turdskins and stinky mooslims are done for.

[Ian]

Originally Posted by N.M. Valdez

I've been to Catalonia. The entire region was a hotbed of anarchist activity (via the CNT-FAI) during the Spanish Civil War.

The Marxist-Leninists killed many of the Anarchists. Directly gunned them down, or set them up in battle to get killed. M-Ls had the arms from USSR, so called the shots militarily. Anarchists elected their commanders, Leninist commanders were appointed by the Communist Party. Been rumoured for decades that the single shot at long range which killed Benvenuto Duritti, anarchist general, was fired by a Russian sniper. Rumoured, but not in the wiki article last time I looked. The Guardia Civil take credit for the shot, with their sharpshooters not known for very high competence. Duritti was killed in Madrid.

And I think the centre of Spanish anarchism was Andalucia.

[The Truth At Last]

By Our Spanish Correspondent: Nick Griffin gave a speech clear in Vic with clear statements against Zionism everyone applauded.

Over 25 years ago that I first came to Spain, the socialist government was about to change the Spanish laws on immigration and open Spain to Third World immigration. For various reasons, the now famous television program "The Key" invited me to speak on the subject of immigration.

All other guests on the program were there to condemn "racism", to talk about "tolerance" and promise to viewers that immigration would enrich Spain without having any negative impact on the culture, employment, public services or crime levels.

Over 25 years ago, they were lying. I warned that once the floodgates were opened, the initial trickle would eventually become a flood of immigrants. I warned them that the real problem was not the immigrant rights, but the rights of the indigenous peoples of Spain.

They warned that if politicians went with it, the villagers pay the price, with an unbearable pressure on employment, wages, homes, public health, education, crime in the streets and a rising tide of anti-White discrimination and violence.

All other guests refused, and now you can see today's Spain. Entire areas of your cities are now Third World slums and almost 20% of your population is already non-European immigrant population. All this in less than 30 years. So who was right, socialist Interior Minister, or the young man from England?

Today, I bring a new warning. There is still time to stop and reverse the flow. But the old ruling parties, both in Catalonia and throughout Spain, do not stop. So you need a new platform. A Platform for Catalonia, a new platform for Spanish liberty.

If conseguis not to throw off the old political elite, they will get rid of you. The proud Spanish people end up as an oppressed minority and low in their own land. You will stop this from happening?? You will stop this from happening??

No? Right. So let's make one last effort to get the first parliamentary seats are the first steps of a long journey to save Spain.

Moreover, Spain stands as a beacon to all other nations of Europe. Spain is the only part of our continent, having fallen under the Muslim yoke, was released without any outside help.

Across Europe today, nationalists strive to keep our people free from the endless assault last Islamist war against our civilization. But because of the treason of the elites, we failed, we still have the heroic example of Spain. Nevertheless, the defeat and occupation would not be the end but only the beginning of the resistance, the Renaissance and the reconquest.

But more than saving our Europe of a new dark age of Islam, we have to understand that mass immigration is only a symptom of a deeper disease. Behind immigration find capitalism wants cheap labor, the destruction of barriers to gain, and the weakening of the state, since this, properly implemented, one of its main functions is to protect the working class against exploitation by capitalism.

This is the reason why nationalism must be economically radical. On social issues, are essentially a movement for tradition. But on economic issues, we are essentially a revolutionary movement, a movement of workers, a movement of non-Marxist left.

Nationalism brings a message of hope to millions of desperate people who work in Spain. We bring a real alternative to the brutal and counterproductive austerity imposed by not living real life, ie the greedy elite.

While Marxists strangle productive industry with bureaucracy and taxes, nationalism see the real problem and the real answer. The problem is the bankers and have private banks create credit from nothing to let us us forward. The answer is that the credit necessary to build a healthy economy for our people has to be created by democratically accountable governments of sovereign states, not by private banks.

This is the only way out of the banking crisis that is crucifying our people in a cross of unpayable debt. This is the heart of the so-called nationalist: to overthrow the current debt slavery and build instead an honest financial system where banks serve the productive economy, and the economy serve the nation and the people.

As scams reject the banking elite, we also reject their neo-conservative wars. We oppose the progressive Islamization of Europe, but also do not want an endless war against Islam. We do not want a clash of civilizations, we do not want blood and fire in our streets, and we will not send our Air Force and our soldiers to fire and blood staining the streets of Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria nor Iran.

So we say to Bush, Cheney, Romney and the other neo-conservatives and Zionists billionaires who finance war propaganda: Fight for your own wars. Us For we have to spend our tax dollars to rebuild our country, not subjecting other peoples! We do not need our armies protecting the interests of the giant oil companies abroad, the need here at home to protect our borders.

We do not want desislamizar the Middle East, to make it safe for oil companies, international banks, Halliburton or for an aggressive and expansionist Israel. North Africa and the Middle East are not for us or for corporate America, are for the Arabs.

And we do not want the big cities of Spain, France, Denmark and Britain are full of mosques and street gangs controlled by Muslims. Europe is not for Muslims or Africans, is for the children of the free nations of Europe. Europe for the Europeans!

Catalans Catalonia. Spain for the Spanish. Britain for the British and our Europe for Europeans!

[N.M. Valdez]

Originally Posted by Ian

And I think the centre of Spanish anarchism was Andalucia.

False. Both regions were anarchist strongholds, but Catalonia and its capital of Barcelona were the hub of Spanish anarchism during the civil war.



Here is Antony Beevor's description in The Spanish Civil War.

[In] Catalonia and Aragon...about 70 per cent of the workforce was involved. The total for the whole of Republican territory was nearly 800,000 on the land and a little more than a million in industry. In Barcelona workers' committees took over all the services, the oil monopoly, the shipping companies, heavy engineering firms such as Volcano, the Ford motor company, chemical companies, the textile industry and a host of smaller enterprises. . . Services such as water, gas and electricity were working under new management within hours of the storming of the Atarazanas barracks . . .a conversion of appropriate factories to war production meant that metallurgical concerns had started to produce armed cars by 22 July . . . The industrial workers of Catalonia were the most skilled in Spain . . . One of the most impressive feats of those early days was the resurrection of the public transport system at a time when the streets were still littered and barricaded.

The most detailed historical account from a direct witness and participant in the civil war comes from Orwell's Homage to Catalonia, though.

I had come to Spain with some notion of writing newspaper articles, but I had joined the militia almost immediately, because at that time and in that atmosphere it seemed the only conceivable thing to do. The Anarchists were still in virtual control of Catalonia and the revolution was still in full swing. To anyone who had been there since the beginning it probably seemed even in December or January that the revolutionary period was ending; but when one came straight from England the aspect of Barcelona was something startling and overwhelming. It was the first time that I had ever been in a town where the working class was in the saddle. Practically every building of any size had been seized by the workers and was draped with red flags and with the red and black flag of the Anarchists; every wall was scrawled with the hammer and sickle and with the initials of the revolutionary parties; almost every church had been gutted and its images burnt. Churches here and there were being systematically demolished by gangs of workmen. Every shop and cafe had an inscription saying that it had been collectivized; even the bootblacks had been collectivized and their boxes painted red and black. Waiters and shop-walkers looked you in the face and treated you as an equal. Servile and even ceremonial forms of speech had temporarily disappeared. Nobody said 'Senor' or 'Don' or even 'Ústed'; everyone called everyone else 'Comrade' or 'Thou', and said 'Salud!' instead of 'Buenos días'. Tipping had been forbidden by law since the time of Primo de Rivera; almost my first experience was receiving a lecture from a hotel manager for trying to tip a lift-boy. There were no private motor-cars, they had all been commandeered, and the trams and taxis and much of the other transport were painted red and black. The revolutionary posters were everywhere, flaming from the walls in clean reds and blues that made the few remaining advertisements look like daubs of mud. Down the Ramblas, the wide central artery of the town where crowds of people streamed constantly to and fro, the loud-speakers were bellowing revolutionary songs all day and far into the night. And it was the aspect of the crowds that was the queerest thing of all. In outward appearance it was a town in which the wealthy classes had practically ceased to exist. Except for a small number of women and foreigners there were no 'well-dressed' people at all. Practically everyone wore rough working-class clothes, or blue overalls or some variant of militia uniform. All this was queer and moving. There was much in this that I did not understand, in some ways I did not even like it, but I recognized it immediately as a state of affairs worth fighting for.

Notice that it's not called "Homage to Andalusia."

[N.M. Valdez]

Originally Posted by Ian

And I think the centre of Spanish anarchism was Andalucia.

False. Both regions were anarchist strongholds, but Catalonia and its capital of Barcelona were the hub of Spanish anarchism during the civil war.



Here is Antony Beevor's description in The Spanish Civil War.

[In] Catalonia and Aragon...about 70 per cent of the workforce was involved. The total for the whole of Republican territory was nearly 800,000 on the land and a little more than a million in industry. In Barcelona workers' committees took over all the services, the oil monopoly, the shipping companies, heavy engineering firms such as Volcano, the Ford motor company, chemical companies, the textile industry and a host of smaller enterprises. . . Services such as water, gas and electricity were working under new management within hours of the storming of the Atarazanas barracks . . .a conversion of appropriate factories to war production meant that metallurgical concerns had started to produce armed cars by 22 July . . . The industrial workers of Catalonia were the most skilled in Spain . . . One of the most impressive feats of those early days was the resurrection of the public transport system at a time when the streets were still littered and barricaded.

The most detailed historical account from a direct witness and participant in the civil war comes from Orwell's Homage to Catalonia, though.

I had come to Spain with some notion of writing newspaper articles, but I had joined the militia almost immediately, because at that time and in that atmosphere it seemed the only conceivable thing to do. The Anarchists were still in virtual control of Catalonia and the revolution was still in full swing. To anyone who had been there since the beginning it probably seemed even in December or January that the revolutionary period was ending; but when one came straight from England the aspect of Barcelona was something startling and overwhelming. It was the first time that I had ever been in a town where the working class was in the saddle. Practically every building of any size had been seized by the workers and was draped with red flags and with the red and black flag of the Anarchists; every wall was scrawled with the hammer and sickle and with the initials of the revolutionary parties; almost every church had been gutted and its images burnt. Churches here and there were being systematically demolished by gangs of workmen. Every shop and cafe had an inscription saying that it had been collectivized; even the bootblacks had been collectivized and their boxes painted red and black. Waiters and shop-walkers looked you in the face and treated you as an equal. Servile and even ceremonial forms of speech had temporarily disappeared. Nobody said 'Senor' or 'Don' or even 'Ústed'; everyone called everyone else 'Comrade' or 'Thou', and said 'Salud!' instead of 'Buenos días'. Tipping had been forbidden by law since the time of Primo de Rivera; almost my first experience was receiving a lecture from a hotel manager for trying to tip a lift-boy. There were no private motor-cars, they had all been commandeered, and the trams and taxis and much of the other transport were painted red and black. The revolutionary posters were everywhere, flaming from the walls in clean reds and blues that made the few remaining advertisements look like daubs of mud. Down the Ramblas, the wide central artery of the town where crowds of people streamed constantly to and fro, the loud-speakers were bellowing revolutionary songs all day and far into the night. And it was the aspect of the crowds that was the queerest thing of all. In outward appearance it was a town in which the wealthy classes had practically ceased to exist. Except for a small number of women and foreigners there were no 'well-dressed' people at all. Practically everyone wore rough working-class clothes, or blue overalls or some variant of militia uniform. All this was queer and moving. There was much in this that I did not understand, in some ways I did not even like it, but I recognized it immediately as a state of affairs worth fighting for.

Notice that it's not called "Homage to Andalusia."

[Ian]

Originally Posted by N.M. Valdez

False. Both regions were anarchist strongholds, but Catalonia and its capital of Barcelona were the hub of Spanish anarchism during the civil war.



Here is Antony Beevor's description in The Spanish Civil War.



The most detailed historical account from a direct witness and participant in the civil war comes from Orwell's Homage to Catalonia, though.



Notice that it's not called "Homage to Andalusia."

Not false that I think so.

The description of Republican Barcelona includes Communist activity. Orwell did not go to Andalucia, which was captured early on by the Nationalists.

The society of Andalucia was very different from Catalonia. In my estimation there was more Anarchist aspirations among the Andalusian peasants than Communist mentality Catalan workers. Spanish Communism was of the Russian city-industrial type, not the Chinese peasant army.

[Joe_Smith]

I think secession of the Catalans only benefits the globalists, breaking Europe up into even smaller pieces means less of a threat of compettition on the world stage. It's all kitsch to them, tomorrow Catalan becomes its own nation and everything will be exactly the same as it is today, only their smaller size will make them even more vulnerable to international money predators.

On a side note, that Valdez guy is a fucking eyesore. I'm not a bigot and wouldn't have any problem allowing an authentic Amerindian nationalist posting here (like DeShawn here, who is a true ethnic nationalist that I can respect), but this guy is just another campus commie in American Eagle mocassins whose historical outlook is forged by the Jew Howard Zinn, not any real Indians.

"Smash the Fash"? Adolf Hitler and the Nationalsocialists actually gave money to American Indian organizations, even romanticized certain red indians as great warriors like the Sioux's (from a "Nazi" newspaper Der Pimpf 1938):

My curiosity on Valdez, if he is so proud to be an injun, why are all his ideologues Jewish? Why are all his enemies the same enemies of the Jew? Why is he attacking the whites, the Nationalsocialists, when it's the Jews that destroyed his people's virility with Converso trafficked carribean rum ?

Instead, Valdez the wannabe indian shabbos goy, would rather just be a pawn in the mindless brown bloc Jews manipulate against the people who get in pan-judea's way.

[Serbian]

Originally Posted by Ryan Smith

Would Catalonia be included in the EU or would they have to apply for membership? Don't know how that would work.

They would of course have to apply but that would be just a formality.

I agree with this post from JoeOfGDNY

I think secession of the Catalans only benefits the globalists, breaking Europe up into even smaller pieces means less of a threat of compettition on the world stage. It's all kitsch to them, tomorrow Catalan becomes its own nation and everything will be exactly the same as it is today, only their smaller size will make them even more vulnerable to international money predators.

[Jordan Appleyard]

Interesting Joe. Hunter Wallace of Occidental Dissent and his commentators said Catalan's succession broke free of the Jewish stranglehold and stands like a knight against the impending globalism. Wallace seemed delibrately leaving out the fact that this seccession movement as, Serbian mentioned, is very EU and liberal, while OD is the place supposedly for the relentless domination of antebellum yore that Southern slavery defined of white supremacy.

[N.M. Valdez]

Originally Posted by Ian

Not false that I think so.

The description of Republican Barcelona includes Communist activity. Orwell did not go to Andalucia, which was captured early on by the Nationalists.

The society of Andalucia was very different from Catalonia. In my estimation there was more Anarchist aspirations among the Andalusian peasants than Communist mentality Catalan workers. Spanish Communism was of the Russian city-industrial type, not the Chinese peasant army.

I'm not sure what's unclear about Orwell's statement that in Barcelona, "Practically every building of any size had been seized by the workers and was draped with red flags and with the red and black flag of the Anarchists."

Abel Paz wrote of Barcelona in Durruti: The People Armed that, "Industry is in the hands of the workers and all the production centers conspicuously fly the red and black flags as well as inscriptions announcing that they have really become collectives. The revolution seems to be universal."

Here's a direct link to Beevor's account that I already quoted from so that you can read it for yourself: "The collectives in republican Spain were not like the state collectives of the Soviet Union. They were based on the joint ownership and management of the land or factory...The regions most affected were Catalonia and Aragon, where about 70 percent of the workforce was involved."

There's an entire e-book called The Anarchist Collectives that you can read if you want to know more accurate information about this social revolution and less inaccurate stereotypes, and nonsense like confusing Chinese-style Maoism with anarchism.

[N.M. Valdez]

Originally Posted by JoeOfGDNY

On a side note, that Valdez guy is a fucking eyesore. I'm not a bigot and wouldn't have any problem allowing an authentic Amerindian nationalist posting here (like DeShawn here, who is a true ethnic nationalist that I can respect), but this guy is just another campus commie in American Eagle mocassins whose historical outlook is forged by the Jew Howard Zinn, not any real Indians.

But of course you have a problem with me posting here, and think that I should be banned or restricted to a sub-forum, because censorship is the only way that you can deal with opposition.

I'm not an "Amerindian nationalist" either; I don't believe in ethnic nationalism, as I believe in unity among all workers of the world.

I just played the part of an ethnic nationalist here on the forum in order to feed you fascists your own medicine in reverse, so that you'd come to understand the implications of consistently applying your own "separatist" principles, i.e. Europeans go back to Europe.

Originally Posted by JoeOfGDNY

"Smash the Fash"? Adolf Hitler and the Nationalsocialists actually gave money to American Indian organizations, even romanticized certain red indians as great warriors like the Sioux's (from a "Nazi" newspaper Der Pimpf 1938):

I know all this, yet Hitler still wrote in Mein Kampf that, "North America, whose population consists in by far the largest part of Germanic elements who mixed but little with the lower colored peoples, shows a different humanity and culture from Central and South America, where the predominantly Latin immigrants often mixed with the aborigines on a large scale."

Aside from his ignorance of geography (Central America is part of North America), he also seemed to be ignorant of the fact that there are enormous disparities in the proportions of European and Amerindian admixture in the peoples of Central and South America.

Originally Posted by JoeOfGDNY

My curiosity on Valdez, if he is so proud to be an injun, why are all his ideologues Jewish? Why are all his enemies the same enemies of the Jew? Why is he attacking the whites, the Nationalsocialists, when it's the Jews that destroyed his people's virility with Converso trafficked carribean rum ?

The large majority of Jews are "whites." Why do you exclude Ashkenazi Jews from consideration as whites when admixed Southern Europeans are considered as whites?

Originally Posted by JoeOfGDNY

Instead, Valdez the wannabe indian shabbos goy, would rather just be a pawn in the mindless brown bloc Jews manipulate against the people who get in pan-judea's way.

What's "wannabe Indian" about me?

[Roy]

Originally Posted by JoeOfGDNY

My curiosity on Valdez, if he is so proud to be an injun, why are all his ideologues Jewish? Why are all his enemies the same enemies of the Jew? Why is he attacking the whites, the Nationalsocialists, when it's the Jews that destroyed his people's virility with Converso trafficked carribean rum ?

Instead, Valdez the wannabe indian shabbos goy, would rather just be a pawn in the mindless brown bloc Jews manipulate against the people who get in pan-judea's way.

His oddest post of all was when he said words to the effect:"I have to ask my bosses what their stance is on this."

It was a strange comment coming from any poster, because most of us here are individual commentators, not part of some hierarchy that dictates what we should or should not post. It's been a while, but the post is here somewhere.

If you want to fuck with him (I'm sure you do). Start asking him about indigenous Palestinians and what should be done with the kikes that are occupying Palestine. It throws him into a tizzy, as he's theoretically supportive of indigenous peoples, except when it comes to that part of the world. Shows his hypocrisy in its full-bloom state.

[Joe_Smith]

Hopefully a moderator can split this into another thread

Originally Posted by N.M. Valdez

But of course you have a problem with me posting here, and think that I should be banned or restricted to a sub-forum, because censorship is the only way that you can deal with opposition.

Yes, that's right Valdez, long live the Leftist struggle against censorship. Even though you're allowed to show your own identity crisis and hatred of whitey on this forum openly, you don't seem to comment on the fact that a Leftist forum would ban someone with my ideas within seconds.

What Left-wing forum can someone like me post on, Chief?

I don't pretend I am anti-authoritarian. I support it to break up Jewish nepotism and counter the abtuse insanities they promote in their monopoly media, monopoly academia, etc, that you lap up in your brown self-esteem college class.

Anarchists are the ones who claim to be anti-authoritarian, yet they respond to dissent from the Cultural Marxist dogma that has united you to big Jew capital with violence. You, in fact, are the street soldiers of the system

I'm not an "Amerindian nationalist" either; I don't believe in ethnic nationalism, as I believe in unity among all workers of the world.

Flowery rhetoric that means nothing. Is there ever a case where you have supported white people in a conflict with non-white people? The "workers" of Frankfurt Marxism and Emma Goldman Anarchism, are composed of queers, women, Jews, modern artists, college professors, and non-whites on the sole basis of being non-white, not on any tangible economic class. The Jew narrative is that whitey, the people who gave you the wheel and the computer, is the sole reason why you lost America.

The reality? Whites fought amongst each other in the new world as much as they did fight the Indians. Look up the French-Indian wars and various alliances French, Spaniards, British, Dutch, etc had with various Indian tribes. Some of the Indians of the America's vanished for the sheer fact that the racial demographic change. While it's true many Indians died due to European disease (not our fault, blame nature), countless Europeans also died from various diseases, including the Indian disease of Syphillis.

If you understood that race=culture, you would realize that if there are 3 whites for every 1 Indian, European culture is going to predominate. People bring culture in their genes. I don't see why making up an alternate reality is going to help advance your race in any way (but it sure does advance the Jewish race).

I just played the part of an ethnic nationalist here on the forum in order to feed you fascists your own medicine in reverse, so that you'd come to understand the implications of consistently applying your own "separatist" principles, i.e. Europeans go back to Europe.

So, in other words, you are a troll?

When we're ethnic nationalists, we're evil racists.

When you're an ethnic nationalist, it's fair game.

What a "principle"

I know all this, yet Hitler still wrote in Mein Kampf that, "North America, whose population consists in by far the largest part of Germanic elements who mixed but little with the lower colored peoples, shows a different humanity and culture from Central and South America, where the predominantly Latin immigrants often mixed with the aborigines on a large scale."

Mein Kampf was written in 1923. While the book is a brilliant blueprint for defeating world Jewry and bolshevism, some of his opinions changed over time. Hitler's views on Britain and the United States, for example, changed dramatically later in his life, for obvious reasons.

Hitler romanticized American frontier culture, due to his love of Karl May books and Westerns. Indians by and large were portrayed positively in German culture of the Third Reich due to Karl May's influence, Sioux indians were made "honorary Aryans" for example.

The Nationalsocialists weren't cut and dry "white supremacists" like you want them to be. They for the most part, gave everyone their due credit. The fact is, some Indians were brave warriors who utilized their means to superhuman potential, but in the end they crumbled beneath the Aryan will. The indians fought like barbarians, taking no quarters and cutting out the fetuses out of pregnant womens stomach, just because Europeans responded in kind and your guys lost , doesn't mean you get any moral superiority over us. That doesn't mean I want to meddle in the affairs of Indians, or undermine them by force, I believe all people have a right to a homeland, but nature and history picked a winner and it wasn't you. This is an objective, unattached view, it's only been constructed as "racist" by modern Jew sociologists and Boasian anthropologists who seek to make up an alternate reality.

Jews created the cult of the loser, by latching on to the "white power structure" Bizarro reality instead of working to better yourselves today away from Jew cosmopolitanism, you attack your own people's pride.

Aside from his ignorance of geography (Central America is part of North America), he also seemed to be ignorant of the fact that there are enormous disparities in the proportions of European and Amerindian admixture in the peoples of Central and South America.

I'm sure Hitler knew this, considering some of the most important members of the NSDAP were from then overwhelmingly white South American countries like Argentina (Walter Darre is a great example).

Hitler also believed that America is a mongrelized shithole, half-way between negro and Jewish, later in his life.

The large majority of Jews are "whites." Why do you exclude Ashkenazi Jews from consideration as whites when admixed Southern Europeans are considered as whites?

That is because people like you define race purely through Trotsky's zoological definition. Jews are an aggressive force whose (genetically passed down) character/spiritual traits are completely out of place in the West. Jews are physically ugly for the most part, but that is besides the point.

The concern isn't whether some European has an Arab or Hunnic or Lappish ancestor from long, the concern is about preserving the genetically passed down character traits (primarily, but also physical secondary) that made the West what it was. That Faustian spirit, unique to Aryans, the knowledge that even though you strive for transcendental utopia you will always fall short of this and work towards it anyway, this is a genetic trait most common in Europeans, and one that has laid dormant for hundreds of years in the current Jewish money dictatorship. We want to free ourselves so we can create new ideas and revolutionize man once again, instead of staying stagnant and retarded in the current environment.

Strangely enough, Valdez (nice Sephardic name by the way! ), you don't seem to question Southern European admixture when you blame the white Spaniards of 1492 for the reason why your people are so fucked up today.

What's "wannabe Indian" about me?

What Amerindian has ever spouted your globalist, cultural Marxist bullshit? Your view of the world is not comprised of ideals passed down by Sitting Bull or Moctezuma, instead its molded by a bunch of frail nerdy ill-intended racist kikes who hate you but want to use you from the Frankfurt school all the way to the MTV content planning room. Pretty much your entire ideology serves the profit-driven system you claim to hate, you have even fallen for the false Marxism vs Capitalism paradigm that serve the same masters.

Even original, gentile Anarchist theorists like Proudhon and Bakunin (who at the internationales used to call Karl Marx a filthy Jew, in response to Marx calling him a degenerate queer!) would laugh at your views.

Jews create the delusions and you fight the wars for them, against us. You don't understand that if we free the world from Juda's clutch, the Indians will benefit too, as your people too will be free of all the moral degradation and spiritual decay the Jew pushes. The Indians of Peru, Bolivia, etc will be free from exploitive, globalist Jew mineral speculators like George Soros, whose agenda you indirectly promote.

But in reality, Valdez, you're not interested in bettering your own race. You're interested in masturbating to white women, drinking the fire water, and getting lots of pats on the back from moneyed Jewish social engineers for throwing your feces at white people. You're probably also fat fuck and mostly white, as most modern North American indians are.

You do nothing but try and stifle my people's right to self-determination, to keep Jews in power. Here is an example of an Indian whose really got his people's interests in mind:

Peruvian nazi´s - YouTube

Peruvian nazi´s - YouTube

[Joe_Smith]

Originally Posted by Roy

His oddest post of all was when he said words to the effect:"I have to ask my bosses what their stance is on this."

It was a strange comment coming from any poster, because most of us here are individual commentators, not part of some hierarchy that dictates what we should or should not post. It's been a while, but the post is here somewhere.

If you want to fuck with him (I'm sure you do). Start asking him about indigenous Palestinians and what should be done with the kikes that are occupying Palestine. It throws him into a tizzy, as he's theoretically supportive of indigenous peoples, except when it comes to that part of the world. Shows his hypocrisy in its full-bloom state.

This seems to always give Leftists a problem.

People like Valdez aren't interested in genuine principles or ideas that are truly outside the box. He might call himself an Anarchist, or whatever other brand of 21st century store-bought Kosher rebellion, but in the end he's more concerned about being labeled homophobic or anti-semite by his bourgeois associates and Jewish benefactors than he is about telling the truth.

The type of person who tells white people to go back to Europe, and not denounce the existence of Jews in Palestine is an opportunist simply trying to get ahead in the rat race.