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Old January 20th, 2004 #1
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I'm interested in knowing what your people think of Mr.Tim McVeigh. A murderer? A hero? Nutcase? Honestly.
 
Old January 20th, 2004 #2
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I'm interested in knowing what your people think of Mr.Tim McVeigh. A murderer? A hero? Nutcase? Honestly.
Just depends where you are coming from.

Before you found this messageboard/VNN, what other websites did you read or consider to be an "awaking" of sorts to you? If you posted this information, forgive me, I haven't had time to go through all the posts today.

Do you consider conspiracy theories to hold some truth or just weirdo people making up stories?

Have your read Hoffman or What really happened.com?

What do you think?
 
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Just depends where you are coming from.

Before you found this messageboard/VNN, what other websites did you read or consider to be an "awaking" of sorts to you? If you posted this information, forgive me, I haven't had time to go through all the posts today.

Do you consider conspiracy theories to hold some truth or just weirdo people making up stories?

Have your read Hoffman or What really happened.com?

What do you think?

About 2 weeks ago I was browsing the net and decided to type in "white supremicist" and hit the search button. I had never visited a forum such as this ever before. I came accross Storm Front and a poster on that board made a thread complaining that some posters at this site were saying he was not white because of his Italian ancestry and also gave a link to VNN. Being part Italian myself I got curious what people were saying about Italians at a website like this so I clicked the link and have been visitor since. In my very first post I made it clear to everyone that I was not interested at this time in becoming a die hard member of the "white movement" or whatever you'd like to call it. I was simply interested in knowing opinions of what everyone here thinks of race in general.

As for TM, I don't know much about him except the obvious. As I understand he was a member of some kind of white supremicy organization. He murdered many innocent people of all racial backround. I believe his sole purpose was to make a some kind of statement towards the government in regards to the Waco incident. That's about all I know. He was a mass murderer any way ya slice it, I don't care what his cause was. And if he did it for the white race, why did he kill so many white people? Ya can't make an omlet without breaking a few eggs? This is all I know, and I know I'm in the dark on much of it. Enlighten me and tell me your opinions.
 
Old January 20th, 2004 #4
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Tim McVeigh is/was a true patriot.

Whoop de dooo he killed some fed gov chimp's children? The Union killed plenty of kids during the civil war including this 14 year old confederate boy pictured in a trench from 1865:
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Old January 20th, 2004 #5
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Tim McVeigh is/was a true patriot.

Whoop de dooo he killed some fed gov chimp's children? The Union killed plenty of kids during the civil war including this 14 year old confederate boy pictured in a trench from 1865:

What if were one of your own children who just happened to be inside the federal building when the shit hit the fan? Would you still consider TM a true patriot then?
 
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What if were one of your own children who just happened to be inside the federal building when the shit hit the fan? Would you still consider TM a true patriot then?
"Putting yourself in the other guy's shoes" is moralistic and subjectivistic. It's the kind of sentimentality that Judeo-Christians use to guilt-trip their opponents into submission. It's not rational argumentation.

Terrorism is an ugly business. Our government does it all the time (for profit). There's no need to moralize about it though. It's also the preferred method of the desperate, those who feel they have no other options. Those kids in the federal daycare center? Those civilians in the WTC? The citizens of Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Belgrade, Kabul, Bagdhad? They are "casualties of war" or "collateral damage" according to the terrorist, whether it's a terrorist guerilla or a terrorist government. Tim McVeigh was fighting a corrupt regime gone out of control and he thought he was doing the right thing despite the price in 'innocents'. He struck his blow, they killed him for it. What now?

"for the greater good", whatever that may be...
 
Old January 20th, 2004 #7
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McVeigh admitted doing it, but did he?

There's a stench to the OK-BOMB case I'm sure everyone knows. If not, do a google search mcveigh+conspiracy or something like it and watch what comes up. There was a photo online that showed a very McVeigh-looking Federal Marshall taken a few months before the bomb went off...

Conspiracy or not, it is a fact that what we now call the "Patriot Act" was floated at the time the Oklahoma bomb went off, in slightly different and weaker form. Someone's wheel was being greased whether they expected OK to happen or not. Unlike Bush, Clinton (like it or not) was reasonably human, and he didn't repeal the Bill of Rights after Oklahoma. It took 911 and Bush to do that.

McVeigh, in Sam Francis' words, looked like a patsy. And there was that bit about him saying he had a microchip implanted in him when he was apprehended. We know these things are at least plausible.

Never forget: "POLICE STATES ARE GOOD FOR THE POLICE"

ps -- The whack-job arguments about non-white Italians are from disrupters, trust me. Nobody I know needed DNA testing to find out Sicilians weren't Africans, so ignore all false flags on this subject.
 
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Everythings a conspiracy. Turn off the Art Bell show.

If he said he did it, for shits sake, he did it, whats the worst they were going to do to him if he was being framed? Kill him? They already did that.
 
Old January 20th, 2004 #9
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About 2 weeks ago I was browsing the net and decided to type in "white supremicist" and hit the search button. I had never visited a forum such as this ever before. I came accross Storm Front and a poster on that board made a thread complaining that some posters at this site were saying he was not white because of his Italian ancestry and also gave a link to VNN. Being part Italian myself I got curious what people were saying about Italians at a website like this so I clicked the link and have been visitor since. In my very first post I made it clear to everyone that I was not interested at this time in becoming a die hard member of the "white movement" or whatever you'd like to call it. I was simply interested in knowing opinions of what everyone here thinks of race in general.

As for TM, I don't know much about him except the obvious. As I understand he was a member of some kind of white supremicy organization. He murdered many innocent people of all racial backround. I believe his sole purpose was to make a some kind of statement towards the government in regards to the Waco incident. That's about all I know. He was a mass murderer any way ya slice it, I don't care what his cause was. And if he did it for the white race, why did he kill so many white people? Ya can't make an omlet without breaking a few eggs? This is all I know, and I know I'm in the dark on much of it. Enlighten me and tell me your opinions.
Mc Veigh was no WN by any stretch of the imagination. For one thing, his cohort, Terry Nichols, was married to a Filipina mail order bride and had a Eurasian child by her.
For another, I recommend the articles in "the New American" on this topic whereby the architect that erected the building in question conclusively demonstrates that it could not possibly have been brought down by Mc Veigh's crude truck bomb, as the massive pillars consisting of twisted steel rods that supported it could only have been blown by EMPLACED CHARGES, an obvious provactuer operation designed to discredit the far right in general and the racialist right in particular.
Finally, remember the "John Doe 2" who was at first sought by the government, than whose name the media simply stopped mentioning? Recall also the pictures of him, which were of a DARK MESTIZO?
The whol;e Oklahoma City affair and the media explanation of it is full of more holes than swiss sheese. it is particularly absurd to associate it with WN. True WNS disown this act of government inspired agent-provactuer savagery against women and children

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Old January 20th, 2004 #10
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I'm interested in knowing what your people think of Mr.Tim McVeigh. A murderer? A hero? Nutcase? Honestly.
Mc Veigh himself was probably a patsy who was unaware on whose behalf he was acting, ditto for Nichols. John Doe 2 was likey the link between these 2 "useful idiots" and the Feds before he disappeared behind the managed news curtain.
Whether he was silenced forever ala Jack Ruby, though in a much more quiet manner, or simply was given a new ID can only be a matter of sheer conjecture, though its hard to believe that NWO would leave him alive to spill the beans.

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As a mother, i don't agree with killing children, period.
 
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TM was a patsy. In the service he repeatedly sought dangerous missions. This was the one he got. Demonica- done any thinking about the draft?
 
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I'm referring to young children, didn't the bomb go off right under or very close to the daycare center? And yes, i have thought about the draft and if i had a son I woudn't want him fighting for this multicultural cesspool, especially by government force.
 
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He is a freedom fighter, and died like an Aryan man, which pissed everyone off. They wanted to see him cry and beg like a nigger, but He would not give it to them, The ultimate "FUCK YOU!" (THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO BREAK ME!)

However he should had shed all ties to WN's, so as not to feed the evil jewish properganda. Everytime you hear about Tim in the medai they always tie him into White racists, and the Turner Diaries. They want to make a conection that we are just like arabs and should be hunted down and killed. DO NOT EVER FEED THE JEW!
 
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As a mother, i don't agree with killing children, period.


If I was a cop and a baby nigger pulled a gun on me I would kill that little fucker were it stood. That is when you kill kids, when they no longer act as a kid. When dip shit cliton sent our boys to the horn of africa they sent waves a fucking nigger kids at us with guns. Fuck them kill them all. Every fucking one of them.
 
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I'm referring to young children, didn't the bomb go off right under or very close to the daycare center?
If there were more McVeighs, perhaps fewer parents would be willing to work in ZOG buildings and risk their lives and those of their kids. Fewer soldiers carrying out genocidal ZOG orders would make the enemy easier to defeat.
 
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If I thought it really mattered I might be concerned that some jerkoff jew or reporter or something might register a fake name and come up with some cockamamie story and then post such a question on this website just to scare up some "horrifying" material for a story. this dipshit who reports in a regional newspaper bragged about shaving his head and attending the local hatefest a year back or so. I can just see him doing a "followup" maybe in a story entitled "hate speech: limits of free speech" which is a recent Jew project to crush all dissent and take political free speech on race out of the ambit of protected free speech.

I'm not saying the thread starter is a jew or reporter, Im just saying that we ought to be working on something more constructive than talking about this topic. Already the main viewpoints encompass most of what would need to be said from different perspectives.
 
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If I thought it really mattered I might be concerned that some jerkoff jew or reporter or something might register a fake name and come up with some cockamamie story and then post such a question on this website just to scare up some "horrifying" material for a story. this dipshit who reports in a regional newspaper bragged about shaving his head and attending the local hatefest a year back or so. I can just see him doing a "followup" maybe in a story entitled "hate speech: limits of free speech" which is a recent Jew project to crush all dissent and take political free speech on race out of the ambit of protected free speech.

I'm not saying the thread starter is a jew or reporter, Im just saying that we ought to be working on something more constructive than talking about this topic. Already the main viewpoints encompass most of what would need to be said from different perspectives.
For the record I am not a Jew nor a reporter. Your secrets are safe with me.
 
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IMHO.... McVeigh was a Manchurian Candidate type of sleeper agent.

However, I have no association w/ McVeigh or any of the groups he contacted. This is my estimation from the material and news reporting found on the internet. The fact the Turner Diaries are linked to McVeigh and OKC bombing - it seems an almost eerrie state of affairs.

classic example - BBC reporting that "Militias 'in retreat'"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1325330.stm

and whose picture do they use?

 
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Hero.

Immortal.

Saint.

Patriot.

Soldier.
 
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