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Old June 16th, 2008 #1
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Lightbulb What happened to John De Nugent?

His show just disappeared, did he have a fight with VOR and bail out on the project???
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I was wondering the same thing. An erudite man like John was a great addition to VOR.

I hope his absence is only temporary.
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Dear comrades,

Despite my intense admiration for VOR radio, Dietrich, Mishko, Peter Schaenk, Mark Faust, the Subie sisters and others, we did have some silly personality clashes, so I moved over to, where I can run my own show as I see fit.

In fact, since I reluctantly moved on, I have had VOR's hosts Peter Schaenk and Susie of the Subie sisters on my new show as special guests, and I have been on the Subie sisters' show on VOR as well.

So there are no lasting hard feelings. White unity is my watchword and has been for thirty years (1978 to now).

Beyond that, I am deeply committed to something EVEN BIGGER than talk radio.


Dear [comrade],

Thank you for your thoughtful email.

I agree with everything you say about running for local office -- except there are urgent, overriding, countervailing considerations.

First, I cannot run for anything in Pennsylvania this year at all, since I am a brand-new resident of the state. And I am ready to run and not to sit back and watch this obscene federal spectacle.

Secondly, I am certain that if a white voice does not run for president this year, we will not have business as usual next year (i.e., the continued GRADUAL erosion of our freedoms) but instead a quantum leap forward this year and next into ZOG's police state agenda.

I believe, specifically, that the following may or will happen in 2009 under Obama, Hillary or McCain UNLESS I intervene as a dark-horse candidate (and the only major white voice nationwide):

1) hate-speech laws as in Canada and Germany
2) amnesty for 40 MILLION Mexicans, leading to 40 mio. more
3) drastically sharpened gun control laws
4) worst-case scenario: the ZOG govt itself murders Obama in a Manchurian-candidate setup. It instigates race riots. It sends in the Guard or regular federal troops. It announces that hate-speech on the Net is what led to the death of the Sainted Obama and billions in race-riot damage -- and there must be "a reasonable limitation on free speech until order is restored." (Never.)

Once we lose freedom of speech, and end up like Canada and Germany, then they take away everything else, including the guns. Then they can do whatever else they want with us.

The only reason why hope stays alive anywhere in the white world is the location of white free-speech websites right here in America. Many vital European websites have their servers here, which is why they so far cannot be shut down.

I simply MUST run a high-volume candidacy this year.

Obama, Hillary and McCain will ALL sign into law hate-speech legislation -- the US will thus join every single other white country on earth in hate-speech laws -- unless I hold their feet to the fire and force them to swear publicly that this is unthinkable.


And I MUST publicly warn Obama that -- not we "white supremacists " but instead -- the ZOG JEWS are gunning for him. Be sure to read my post below.

And I must turn black rage where it should belong -- against THE JEWS. (The Jews who, as they well know, were also the first slave-dealers. The most antisemitic demographic in America is blacks. Ironically, I must help save Obama's life to save ours as white activists -- and create a wartime alliance of reason with certain blacks against the Jews and against the Mexicans.)

I saw the Jon Stewart show the other night, mocking the servility of the three major candidates at the AIPAC convention, and Obama was the Jews' least favorite candidate, McCain the favorite.

The Jews know, especially after the "Rev." Jeremiah Wright outbursts, two things:

1) Obama is a regular, standard, typical race-conscious black nationalist, and all black nationalists resent Jews
2) his charisma make him dangerous; they prefer the safe, subservient "albino chipmunk." ZOG fears anyone whose charisma can create an independent following. That is why they gunned down so many leaders of left and right over the years whose only common denominator was charisma --

George. Lincoln. Rockwell (right),
Malcolm X (left),
both Kennedys (left),
ML King (left),
George Wallace (right),
John Lennon (left), and
Ronald Reagan (right).

Manchurian candidates were used in many cases.

If I run, it will not be a joke candidacy for president. Ron Paul took in $34 million -- and yet he looks like Goofy, and his gold standard idea IS goofy.

A true phenomenon is needed NOW. 2008 will be the decisive year. I moved here to Pennsylvania, land of my father's family, and found that whites in all Rust Belt states are very, very, very ready.

(Obama lost 60 of 67 counties in Pa; he lost W. Virginia by 41 points; he was also shellacked in Kentucky -- by the pitiful likes of Hillary, no less. Working-class whites do not like this skinny, jive-talking negro at all.)

In summary, I cannot run for local office and there are vast federal issues that only a federal-level white candidate can and must address -- such as THE GULAG FOR WHITE ACTIVISTS.

Otherwise, yes, I would run for state legislature, town council -- all theoretically winnable -- or even sheriff.

If you are serious, I am sure you can find time to meet with me. I have people who have moved here from Texas and Nebraska, and more coming from Finland and elsewhere overseas. Again, thank you for your email. In normal times, I would agree with you about a local race. But the time has come when ZOG is speeding up its timetable.

Beyond this, the white baby boom of 75 million kids 1946-64 is now entering its fifties and sixties. We cannot fight or win any street battles in wheelchairs. There must be a white phoenix now.

John de Nugent

Please read the below, if you've not already seen it:

Chertoff lies that Nazis/Klan plan to assassinate obama

I can state categorically after 30 year of KNOWING the key individuals that NOT ONE LEADER in the entire white movement, myself or any other (and I am not speaking of FBI infiltrators and agent provocateurs under COINTELPRO), is planning or encouraging anyone to assassinate/murder Barack Obama. In fact, he as "president" would merely drive home the point that the US regime is no longer our country. John McCain would be far worse, because Obama is not pretending to be a white conservative. Obama is, to be blunt, an honest liberal black racist. McCain, like the murderer Cain who slew his own brother, is a murderer of the true conservative cause. Barack Obama is a bright, charismatic man, a husband and a father of two girls as I once was, and he does not deserve to die at ZOG's hands or anyone else's. Obama alive as a black nationalist will only advance our cause of a white civil rights movement.
Old June 16th, 2008 #4
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John de Nugent (b. Providence, Rhode Island July 14, 1954) is a white nationalist, or as he writes, white "nationist" -- an activist, leader, writer, radio personality and speaker.

Descended via both parents from Thomas Angell, one of the co-founders in 1636 of the colony of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations (now called "State of Rhode Island"), de Nugent grew up in his ancestral Providence, Rhode Island area. His distant ancestors were from Normandy, France.

In the wake of his parents' divorce when he was 15 in 1970, which gave custody to his mother Constance, he was induced to join the religious group "Jehovah's Witnesses," and from 1970-76 was a member, serving even at their world headquarters in Brooklyn Heights, New York.

Thoroughly disillusioned -- especially after the sect's broken promise of the "end of the world" in 1975 -- de Nugent broke away at age 21 in 1976.

He was married to Gerda Atzl of Brandenberg, Austria from 1975-1990, having two daughters. (A second marriage, 2002-2005, to a French citizen was annulled in 2006.)

In 1976, de Nugent volunteered to join the United States Marine Corps Reserve, and after basic training at Parris Island, South Carolina he served in a Marine Reserve unit, the 35th Interrogator-Translator Team at the Washington Navy Yard (and later at the nearby Anacostia Naval Air Base), led by the Jewish captain Harvey Philip Gold. He received three meritorious promotions within approximately one year, but after his white nationist politics became known, he was nearly murdered by Dutch Marines (as confirmed by an article by the Jewish captain), and was transfered in the fall of 1979 to an all-black supply unit.

He then requested an inter-service transfer to an infantry unit of the Virginia Army National Guard, where he was named "Guardsperson of the Year" for 1980 by his commanding officer, Captain John Holt. He left the Active Reserves in 1981.

In this same year de Nugent also graduated from Georgetown University in Washington, D.C., with a 3.702 average, earning the designation magna cum laude ("with high honors"). He was also admitted to the national honor society known as Phi Beta Kappa. He had majored in German and minored in French.

"White nationism"

John de Nugent's career in white nationism began in 1978. He was assigned as part of his major in German at Georgetown to read some passages from Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf dealing with Hitler's views of the Jewish question. Perceiving parallels to the situation in the United States of the 1970s, de Nugent visited the Arlington, Va. headquarters of the National Socialist White People's Party, founded in 1967 by former US Navy commander George Lincoln Rockwell (another quasi-Rhode Islander) but headed after Rockwell's 1967 assassination by Matt Koehl, a former Marine who now directs the Wisconsin-based "The New Order."

After some activism with the NSWPP, de Nugent met Dr. William L. Pierce in 1981, a former physicist and chairman of the National Alliance. He wrote several articles on recruiting new members for the National Alliance, spoke at the 1983 NA convention in Chicago, moderated the 1984 NA convention, and built a rapidly growing "Washington-Baltimore Unit" of the NA. He left the NA on good terms in 1984, viewing it as lacking a true religious base and an adequate number of women members.

In 1985 de Nugent worked with former West Point graduate and lawyer Gary Gallo of Maryland to raise funds for the legal defense of Bernard Goetz, the white New York subway crime victim who shot several young blacks.

In 1986 he worked with Hans Schmidt, a former member of the Waffen-SS division "Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler," on a project for German heritage in Washington.

From 1987-1992 de Nugent was an independent contractor who promoted the use of revocable trusts by those who wished to leave a bequest to Liberty Lobby, a Capitol Hill-based "populist" organization founded and run by Willis Carto.

Around July 1989 de Nugent moved to Metairie, Louisiana to study the electoral victory of pro-white State Representative David Duke, staying in Louisiana until the late spring of 1990.

In June-August 1990, de Nugent, using the campaign name "Jack Nugent," ran in the Republican primary for Congress in the Sixth District of Tennessee, south and east of Nashville, on a pro-white platform. He achieved 26.7 percent of the vote, albeit de Nugent suspects that massive elecronic vote fraud denied him an outright victory on primary day, August 10, 1990. He received extensive local publicity and references to his race were made by Time and the op-ed page of the New York Times.

From 1992-2004 de Nugent wrote occasional articles on pro-white or anti-Zionist topics for various publications, including the magazine The Barnes Review. Three of the most noteworthy were on 1) Adolf Hitler's "Madagascar Plan" to resettle European Jewry on that huge French colonial island; 2) Kennewick Man; and 3) "The Great Patents Heist," the Allied seizure of thousands of vital German patents after 1945.

On April 20, 2005 de Nugent returned from the south of France to Washington, D.C. to become a major writer for The Barnes Review, and for a while was its associate editor. He also translated many articles from German and French, including his work on the translation of the memoirs of General Leon Degrelle of the Waffen-SS.

In the summer of 2006 he covered the Mannheim, Germany trial of German revisionist Ernst Zundel for The Barnes Review, and he spoke in Barcelona, Spain, in the Spanish language, on the topic of psychopaths in politics and among the Jewish population. His audience was white nationist publisher Pedro Varela and his followers.

Varela, arrested at his bookstore in 2006 by Spanish anti-terror commandos [sic].

In March 2007 de Nugent spoke, in German and in Germany, to gatherings of the prominent German activists Gunter Deckert and Manfred Roeder, and met with Vincent Reynouard, the French revisionist living in Belgian political exile, and conferred with David Duke, who had become a prominent pro-white writer. In April 2007, he spoke in East Lansing, Michigan to a gathering organized by young activist Evan Thomas.

In 2007 he began posting on a discussion "thread" called "Apocalypse of the Psychopaths" on an originally libertarian forum called "" The thread grew by May 2008 to 54,000 views. In early 2008 he began posting also actively on several other pro-white fora such as, and eNationalist Forum.

In October 2007 de Nugent was a major speaker at the anti-Zionist conference "No More Wars for Israel" in Irvine, California, and helped secure new venues after several hotels refused to host it.

In February 2008 de Nugent moved to greater Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, an area he considered ideal for pursuing further pro-white activities. There he began preparing a possible re-entry into political life. He was joined there by other white activists, and through his writings and videos online began to become known worldwide in the pro-white community.
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John, I've bookmarked your site and will listen to some broadcasts when I get the chance. I can't wait to hear the Ted Gunderson interview.

All the very best, my friend. You're a credit to The Movement.
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Thanks very much, Obadiah 1:18!

BTW, why is the Bible verse of your avatar of meaning to you?

And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken it.
A few subjects:


A comrade wrote me:

* * *

I always said it was quite telling that a man and political party [Hitler and his NSDAP] that haven't been around for 60 years show up in the main mass media news or in some entertainment-based major medium several times a day.

I respond:

Partly, Jews use Hitler to crush whites today. Partly it is that Jews are genuinely fascinated themselves by Hitler. David Irving once said the main readers of his [Third Reich-sympathetic] war books were Jews.


What is the story on your political goals?

I respond:

* * *

On track. Let the Depression, the Obama, Lesbillary and Juan McCain get the country into an even deeper funk for now.


While looking at some of your articles, I saw the one about the black with the boombox on wheels at a gas station. The guy said they were supposed to turn off their car while pumping gas.

It reminds me of a time I was at a gas station a couple of years ago and there is a black pumping gas while smoking a cigarette. I was about on the edge of saying something when he began talking to another Afro and in order to point at something, he transferred the cigarette to the hand holding the nozzle.

Fearing talking to him might cause the nozzle to shift, letting the gas vapor hit the flame, I just got as far away as possible.

Nothing happened, but it is just amazing there aren't more disasters.

I respond:

* * *

1) Blacks never asked to come here. They were brutally dragged here at the instigation of Jew slave traders.

2) They tried very hard to go back to Africa in the 1920s under the leadership of Marcus Garvey.
Then the FBI and a Jew Yawk City prosecutor railroaded him into prison!!!

I first became aware of this fact when a US marshal, who had responsibilities in the Washington DC jail (it being a special federal district) told me that he saw jail cells inhabited by black prisoners that were decorated with pictures of one "Marcus Garvey."


"Garvey, Marcus Garvey! He was a black who got the other blacks to agree that they should go back to Africa."

Well, although I went to a good college, I had never heard of the man! Neither have most whites. . . . Why NOT?

(The media sure tell us about Michael King and Malcolm X, and Obama. . . . )


Wikipedia's entry on Marcus Garvey is fairly accurate, except that OF COURSE it does not mention that it was the Defamation League that instigated the shameful railroading of Marcus Garvey and his expulsion form the USA. After all, Garvey's message was welcome to blacks and to whites --and would have kept America white and Africa black.

But Jews wanted a mongrel America that they could divide and conquer. Once they got the blacks to stay, they began bringing in Chinese and Mexicans.

So they stuck Garvey in prison and then expelled him back to Jamaica.

How much misery Jews thus caused both blacks and whites in America!


Early years

Garvey was born at 32 Market Street in St. Ann's Bay, Saint Ann Parish, Jamaica to Marcus Mosiah Garvey, Sr., a mason, and Sarah Jane Richards, a domestic worker and farmer. Of eleven siblings, only Garvey and his sister Indiana reached maturity.[5] Garvey's father was known to have a large library, and it was from his father that Marcus gained his love for reading.[6][7] Sometime in the year 1900 Garvey entered into an apprenticeship with his uncle Alfred Burrowes. Like his father, Mr. Burrowes had an extensive library of which Garvey made good use.[8][9]

Near the age of fourteen, Garvey left St. Ann's Bay for Kingston where he found employment as a compositor in the printery of P.A. Benjamin Limited. He was a master printer and foreman at Benjamin when, in November of 1907, he was elected vice-president of the Kingston Union. However, he was fired when he joined a strike by printers in late 1908. Having been blacklisted for his stance in the strike, he later found work at the Government Printing Office. In 1909 his newspaper The Watchman began publication, but it only lasted for three issues.

In 1910 Garvey left Jamaica and began traveling throughout the Central American region. He lived in Costa Rica for several months, where he worked as a time-keeper on a banana plantation. He began work as editor for a daily newspaper entitled 'La Nacionale' in 1911. Later that year, he moved to Colón, Panama where he edited a tri-weekly before returning to Jamaica in 1912.

After years of working in the Caribbean, Garvey left Jamaica to live in London from 1912 to 1914. There he attended Birkbeck College, worked for the African Times and Orient Review, published by Dusé Mohamed Ali, and sometimes spoke at Hyde Park's Speakers' Corner.

[edit] Founding of the UNIA-ACL

During his travels, Garvey became convinced that uniting Blacks was the only way to improve their condition. Towards that end, he departed England on June 14, 1914 aboard the S.S. Trent, reaching Jamaica on July 15, 1914. The Universal Negro Improvement Association (UNIA) was founded in August 1914 as a means of uniting all of Africa and its diaspora into "one grand racial hierarchy." Amy Ashwood, who would later be Garvey's first wife, was among the founders. As the group's first President-General, his goal was "to unite all people of African ancestry of the world to one great body to establish a country and absolute government of their own."[10]

According to Garvey, while he was traveling in the la habra, the name of the organization was the result of a conversation he had with a West Indian and his Basuto wife. During the discussion he "further learned of the horrors of native life in Africa."[citation needed] Following much reflection the following day and night about what he learned, "the vision and thought came" to "name the organization the Universal Negro Improvement Association and African Communities (Imperial) League."[11]

After corresponding with Booker T. Washington, Garvey arrived in the U.S. aboard the S.S. Tallac to give a lecture tour and to raise funds for establishment of a school in Jamaica modeled after Washington's Tuskegee Institute on March 23, 1916. Garvey visited Tuskegee, and afterward, a number of Black leaders. After moving to New York he found work as a printer by day. He was influenced by Hubert Harrison, and at night he would speak on street corners, much like he did in London's Hyde Park. It was then Garvey percieved a leadership vacuum among people of African ancestry, and so on May 9, 1916, he held his first public lecture in New York City at St Mark's Church in-the-Bowery and undertook a 38-state speaking tour.

In May of 1917 Garvey and thirteen others formed the first UNIA division outside Jamaica and began advancing ideas promoting social, political, and economic freedom for Blacks. On July 2, the East St. Louis riots broke out. On July 8, Garvey delivered an address, entitled "The Conspiracy of the East St. Louis Riots," at Lafayette Hall in Harlem. During the speech he declared the riot was "one of the bloodiest outrages against mankind." By October, rancor within the UNIA had begun to set in. A split occurred in the Harlem division with Garvey enlisted to become the head of the division; although he still technically held the same position in Jamaica.

Garvey next set about the business of developing a program to improve the conditions of those of African ancestry "at home and abroad" under UNIA auspices. On August 17, 1918, publication of the widely distributed Negro World newspaper began. Garvey worked as an editor for free up until November 1920. By June of 1919 the membership of the organization had grown to over two million.

On June 27, 1919, the Black Star Line of Delaware, was incorporated by the members of the UNIA with Garvey as President. By September it obtained its first ship. Much fanfare surrounded the inspection of the S.S. Yarmouth and its rechristening as the S.S. Frederick Douglass on September 14, 1919. Such a rapid accomplishment garnered attention from many.

One person who noticed was Edwin P. Kilroe, Assistant District Attorney in the District Attorney's office of the County of New York. Kilroe began an investigation into the activities of the UNIA without finding any evidence of wrongdoing or mismanagement. After being called to Kilroe's office numerous times without any resolution, Garvey wrote an editorial on Kilroe's activities for the Negro World. Garvey was arrested and indicted for criminal libel in relation to the article, but charges were dismissed after Garvey published a retraction.

While in his Harlem office at 56 West 156th Street on October 14, 1919, Garvey received a visit from a man by the name of George Tyler. Tyler told him that Kilroe "had sent him" to get Garvey. Tyler then pulled a .38-calibre revolver and fired four shots, wounding Garvey in the right leg and scalp. Garvey was taken to the hospital and Tyler arrested. The next day Tyler apparently committed suicide by jumping from the third tier of the Harlem jail while he was being taken to his arraignment.

By August 1920, the UNIA claimed four million members. That month the International Convention of the UNIA was held. With delegates from all over the world in attendance, over 25,000 people filled Madison Square Garden on August 1 to hear Garvey speak.

Another of Garvey's ventures was the Negro Factories Corporation. His plan called for creating the infrastructure to manufacture every marketable commodity in every big U.S. industrial center, as well as in Central America, the West Indies, and Africa. Related endeavors included a grocery chain, restaurant, publishing house, and other businesses.

A speech by Marcus Garvey:

"Explanation of the Objects of the Universal Negro Improvement Association"
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Convinced that Blacks should have a permanent homeland in Africa, Garvey sought to develop Liberia. "Our success educationally, industrially and politically is based upon the protection of a nation founded by ourselves. And the nation can be nowhere else but in Africa."[citation needed]

The Liberia program, launched in 1920, was intended to build colleges, universities, industrial plants, and railroads as part of an industrial base from which to operate. However, it was abandoned in the mid-1920s after much opposition from European powers with interests in Liberia. In response to suggestions that he wanted to take all Americans of African ancestry back to Africa, he wrote, "We do not want all the Negroes in Africa. Some are no good here, and naturally will be no good there."[12]

Garvey has been credited with creating the biggest movement of people of African descent. At its zenith, the UNIA claimed over a million members. This movement that took place in the 1920s is said to have had more participation from people of African descent than the Civil Rights Movement. In essence the UNIA was the largest Pan-African movement.

[edit] Charge of mail fraud

In a memorandum dated October 11, 1919[13], J. Edgar Hoover, special assistant to the Attorney General, and head of the General Intelligence Division (or "anti-radical division"),[14] of The Bureau of Investigation or BOI (after 1935, the Federal Bureau of Investigation)[15] wrote a memorandum to Special Agent Ridgely regarding Marcus Garvey. In the memo, Hoover wrote that:
Quote:"He (Garvey) has not as yet violated any federal law whereby he could be proceeded against on the grounds of being an undesirable alien, from the point of view of deportation.[16][17]

J. Edgar Hoover. Supposedly of German descent. Does he look like any German you may have seen or met?

Sometime around November of 1919 an investigation by the BOI was begun into the activities of Garvey and the UNIA. Towards this end the BOI hired James Edward Amos, Arthur Lowell Brent, Thomas Leon Jefferson, James Wormley Jones, and Earl E. Titus as its first five African-American agents. Although initial efforts by the BOI were to find grounds upon which to deport Garvey as "an undesirable alien", a charge of mail fraud was brought against Garvey in connection with stock sales of the Black Star Line after the U.S. Post Office and the Attorney General joined the investigation.[17]

The accusation centered on the fact that the corporation had not yet purchased a ship with the name "Phyllis Wheatley". Although one was pictured with that name emblazoned on its bow on one of the company's stock brochures it had not actually been purchased by the BSL and still had the name Orion. The prosecution produced as evidence a single empty envelope which it claimed contained the brochure. During the trial, a man by the name of Benny Dancy testified that he didn't remember what was in the envelope, although he regularly received brochures from the Black Star Line. Another witness for the prosecution, Schuyler Cargill, perjured himself after admitting[18] to having been told to mention certain dates in his testimony by Chief Prosecutor Maxwell S. Mattuck. Furthermore, he admitted that he could not remember the names of any coworkers in the office, including the timekeeper who punched employees time cards. Ultimately, he acknowledged being told to lie by Postal Inspector F.E. Shea [19]. He said Shea told him to state that he mailed letters containing the purportedly fraudulent brochures. The Black Star Line did own and operate several ships over the course of its history and was in the process of negotiating for the disputed ship at the time the charges were brought.

Of the four Black Star Line officers charged in connection with the enterprise, only Garvey was found guilty of using the mail service to defraud. His supporters called the trial fraudulent. While there were serious accounting irregularities within the Black Star Line and the claims he used to sell Black Star Line stock could be considered misleading, Garvey's supporters still contest that the prosecution was a politically motivated miscarriage of justice, given the above-mentioned false statement testimony and Hoover's explicit regret that Garvey had committed no crimes.

When the trial ended on June 23, 1923, Garvey had been sentenced to five years in prison. He initially spent three months in the Tombs Jail awaiting approval of bail. While on bail he continued to maintain his innocence, travel, speak and organize the UNIA. After numerous attempts at appeal were unsuccessful, he was taken into custody and began serving his sentence at the Atlanta Federal Penitentiary on February 8, 1925.[20] Two days later, he penned his well known "First Message to the Negroes of the World From Atlanta Prison" wherein he makes his famous proclamation:

Look for me in the whirlwind or the storm, look for me all around you, for, with God's grace, I shall come and bring with me countless millions of black slaves who have died in America and the West Indies and the millions in Africa to aid you in the fight for Liberty, Freedom and Life.[21]

Professor Judith Stein has stated, "his politics were on trial."[22]

Garvey's sentence was eventually commuted by President Calvin Coolidge. Since Garvey had been convicted of a felony and was not a U.S. citizen, federal law required his immediate deportation.[citation needed] Upon his release in November 1927, Garvey was deported via New Orleans to Jamaica, where a large crowd met him at Orrett's Wharf in Kingston. A huge procession and band converged on UNIA headquarters.

[edit] Criticism

While W. E. B. Du Bois expressed the Black Star Line was "original and promising,"[23] he also said: "Marcus Garvey is, without doubt, the most dangerous enemy of the Negro race in America and in the world. He is either a lunatic or a traitor." [24] Du Bois was afraid that Garvey's extremism would undermine his efforts toward black rights.

Garvey suspected Du Bois was prejudiced against him because he was a Caribbean native with darker skin. Garvey called Du Bois "purely and simply a white man's nigger" and "a little Dutch, a little French, a little Negro ... a mulatto ... a monstrosity." This led to an acrimonious relationship between Garvey and the NAACP.[25] Garvey accused Du Bois of paying conspirators to sabotage the Black Star Line to destroy his reputation. Du Bois was, nevertheless, a strong supporter of Pan-Africanism.[26][27]

Garvey recognized the influence of the Ku Klux Klan, and in early 1922, he went to Atlanta, Georgia for a conference with KKK imperial giant Edward Young Clarke.

According to Garvey, "I regard the Klan, the Anglo-Saxon clubs and White American societies, as far as the Negro is concerned, as better friends of the race than all other groups of hypocritical whites put together. I like honesty and fair play. You may call me a Klansman if you will, but, potentially, every white man is a Klansman, as far as the Negro in competition with whites socially, economically and politically is concerned, and there is no use lying."[28]

After Garvey's entente with the Ku Klux Klan, a number of African American leaders appealed to U.S. Attorney General Harry M. Daugherty to have Garvey incarcerated.[29]

[edit] Later years

Garvey travelled to Geneva in 1928 to present the Petition of the Negro Race, which outlined the worldwide abuse of Africans, to the League of Nations. In September 1929, he founded the People's Political Party (PPP), Jamaica's first modern political party, which focused on workers' rights, education, and aid to the poor.

Also in 1929, Garvey was elected councilor for the Allman Town Division of the Kingston and St. Andrew Corporation (KSAC). He lost his seat, however, because of having to serve a prison sentence for contempt of court, but in 1930, he was re-elected, unopposed, along with two other PPP candidates.

In April 1931, Garvey launched the Edelweiss Amusement Company, which he set up to help artists earn their livelihood from their craft. Several Jamaican entertainers — Kidd Harold, Ernest Cupidon, Bim & Bam, and Ranny Williams — went on to become popular after receiving initial exposure that the company gave them.

In 1935, Garvey left Jamaica for London, where he lived and worked until his death in 1940. During these last five years, he remained active and in touch with events in war-torn Ethiopia (then known as Abyssinia) and the West Indies. In 1938, he gave evidence before the West Indian Royal Commission on conditions there. Also in 1938, he set up the School of African Philosophy at 355 College St., in Toronto, Canada to train UNIA leaders. He continued to work on the magazine The Black Man.

In 1937, a group of his American supporters, called the Peace Movement of Ethiopia, openly collaborated with Mississippi Senator Theodore Bilbo in the promotion of a repatriation scheme introduced in the US Congress as the Greater Liberia Act.

[edit] Death

See also: List of premature obituaries

On June 10, 1940, Garvey died after two strokes, putatively after reading a mistaken, and negative, obituary of himself in the Chicago Defender.[30] Because of travel conditions during World War II, he was interred at Kensal Green Cemetery in London.

In 1964, his remains were exhumed and taken to Jamaica. On November 15, 1964, the government of Jamaica, having proclaimed him Jamaica's first national hero, ceremoniously re-interred him at a shrine in National Heroes Park.
The UNIA flag uses three colors: red, black and green.
The UNIA flag uses three colors: red, black and green.

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Garvey's memory has been kept alive worldwide. Schools, colleges, highways, and buildings in Africa, Europe, the Caribbean, and the United States have been named in his honor. The UNIA red, black, and green flag has been adopted as the Black Liberation Flag. Since 1980, Garvey's bust has been housed in the Organization of American States' Hall of Heroes in Washington, D.C.

Malcolm X's father Earl Little met Malcolm's mother Louise at a UNIA convention in Montreal, Canada. He also was the president of the UNIA division in Omaha, Nebraska and sold the Negro World newspaper while his wife Louise was a contributor to the Negro World.

Kwame Nkrumah named the national shipping line of Ghana the Black Star Line in honor of Garvey and the UNIA. Nkrumah also named the national soccer team the Black Stars as well. The black star at the center of Ghana's flag is also inspired by the Black Star Line.
Flag of Ghana
Flag of Ghana

During a trip to Jamaica, Martin Luther King and his wife Coretta Scott King visited the shrine of Marcus Garvey on June 20, 1965 and laid a wreath.[31] In a speech he told the audience that Garvey "was the first man of color to lead and develop a mass movement. He was the first man on a mass scale and level to give millions of Negroes a sense of dignity and destiny. And make the Negro feel he was somebody."[32]

"I have a scheme today! Tell the blacks to stay in America and fight for civil rights, instead of going back to Africa!" His speech writer was Stanley Levison. King, like Obama, was a tool of the Jews against his own people. Garvey should have gotten the Nobel Peace Prize.

King was also the posthumous recipient of the first Marcus Garvey Prize for Human Rights on December 10, 1968 issued by the Jamaican Government and presented to King's widow.

The United States of Africa first saw light in a 1924 poem by Garvey and is still discussed.

There have been pop culture references to Marcus Garvey since he first came on the international scene. Garvey is cited repeatedly in a diverse variety of books, songs and films. He is mentioned particularly frequently in blues, reggae, jazz and hip hop music.
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Did the Subie sisters ever get a clue? Last I had anything to do or say about them, they were endorsing Rudy Giuliani for President. Who're they supporting now, John McCain?
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It's of meaning to me because that's the day when the White Race will rid the world of Esau's descendants, i.e. the Jews, once and for all.

Charles Weisman sums it up best in his classic book Who is Esau-Edom?

It is Jacob that God will use to destroy and kill Esau-Edom. In Obadiah's prophecy it says that "Jacob shall be a fire." (Obad 18) This is not a purifying or refining fire but a consuming and destroying fire. This fire will both "kindle" and "devour" the "house of Esau" which is regarded as "stubble," a substance which can be easily burned up and destroyed. Like stubble, Esau's very nature is a catalyst that brings about his own destruction.

It is interesting that the Jews have chosen the word "holocaust" meaning the whole of something which is burned. The whole house of Esau is described as being burned up--a true holocaust is about to occur. The Jews cry "never again" in reference to the Holocaust story, but the fact is it has not yet happened. This destruction will happen to the Jews at that hand of Israel, the white race...

...What these prophecies reveal then, is that Israel, the white race, will some day kill off the entire house (family line) of Esau, which includes the Edomite Jews. This presents the ultimate shock and horror to those of the worldly mind set, for this is the one thing above all things that the world has been conditioned into believing must never happen. Even the slightest infringement or harm of a Jew by a white person brings cries of "persecution," "anti-Semitism," and the remembrance of the Jewish "holocaust."

...The story of the Holocaust was invented by Esau (the Jews) to give life and meaning to this worldly perspective of genocide. They try to say that a genocide almost happened! White people (i.e., Germans) almost exterminated the Jews and we must never allow such conditions to ever exist again which could precipitate another holocaust of Jews. This is what the world has been taught and believes. The Edomite-Canaanite Jews have fabricated the 6 million Jewish holocaust story to direct the world away from their inevitable prophetic fate. They are saying that this portion of God's Script must never be acted out on stage.
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Thank you for that information on Marcus Garvey, a person whose name I hadn't even heard before reading this read.
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Did the Subie sisters ever get a clue? Last I had anything to do or say about them, they were endorsing Rudy Giuliani for President. Who're they supporting now, John McCain?
What do you expect of people that dismiss race and believe in joomaniteeh.
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Thanks for the info.

I have great respect for Identity Christians. We will NEVER beat the Jews unless WE are on HIS side.
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Whits have NO idea that THIS the the man that blacks really look up to.

On the vast, unconscious level, deep-down, blacks know that integration will neve happen. and that ML King did not "hava a dream," but a "scheme" -- to do the Jews' bidding.
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The Subie sisters are uniquely valuable because they never had a racist bone in their body, a perfect record as police or in other fields -- and still the Jews hammered them.

My interview with Susie was very useful when I sent it to other law-enforcement.

Many women are initially politically unsophisticated, trusting, naive. But they have good hearts, and with that everything else can happen. With a bad heart, nothing, regardless of the book education or the IQ.

Is there any WN ferment now in Holland? I should think the murder of Theo Van Gogh and of Pim Fortuyn, and the rejection of the EU treaty, signaled that some Dutch are waking up. Of course, all organizations or trends need a concrete leader as their spokesman.

I saw a very moving German TV documentary about Pim Fortuyn. He basically confronted the media and said "With your vilification of me, you will incite someone to literally kill me." And sure enough, he WAS assassinated. The documentary evinced a kind of guilty conscience about that, about how the media had denigrated him.

In any case, this German documentary indicated that his death was NOT in vain, and that the Dutch were now getting sick and tired of Muslim immigration.

Holland has to find a better white leader now than a dead homosexual! Or a throat-slit dead filmmaker.

Another question:

The Jews have been in Holland in larger numbers ever since the expulsion from Spain in 1492. Do they rule Holland almost openly as they do elsewhere? I imagine that nowadays at least they do. Does this explain why Holland is one of the most leftist countries on earth?

I ask this partly because I have many Afrikaner friends from South Africa, and they say that Holland was the most anti-South African of al the white countries. And of course that really hurt, to have the old mother country do that.

Does Calvinism make the Dutch leftist? I would think actually the opposite, but Calvinism is very Old-Testament-oriented, and that could cause more sympathy for Jews.

I had the wonderful privilege of knowing and interpreting for the Dutch NS activist Florentine Rost Van Tonningen of "De levensboom" ("Tree of Life"). Her honor was LOYALTY. I hail that brave and spiritual woman of our race.
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An article on censorship by Pat Buchanan, and then my riff on it. JdN


Return of the Censors
by Patrick J. Buchanan
Tuesday, June 17, 2008

Freedom of the press is on trial in Canada.

The trial is before a court with the Orwellian title of the British
Columbia Human Rights Tribunal. The accused are Maclean's magazine
and author Mark Steyn. The crime: In mocking and biting tones, they
wrote that Islam threatens Western values.

Had Steyn written that, given the Crusades, colonial atrocities in
Africa and the slave trade, Christianity had been on balance a
curse, he would not be in the dock. In the United States, these
charges would have been tossed out by any federal judge, who would
have admonished the plaintiffs that, here in America, we have a
First Amendment.

The United States, however, is an isolated exception, as Western
nations seek to impose wider restrictions on what has come to be
called "hate speech."

Questioning the Holocaust is a crime in Canada and Europe, as
British historian David Irving discovered when he was sentenced to
prison in Austria. To say the Armenian massacres of 1915-1924 were
an attempt at genocide is a crime in Turkey.

In France, animal rights champion Brigitte Bardot has been fined
$23,000 for provoking discrimination and racial hatred by
denouncing Muslims who slaughtered a sheep in a religious ceremony.
Bardot had been punished five previous times for her statements.

Censorship is making a comeback. Outside the United States, it is
considered an acceptable price to pay for the new diversity Western
Man seems now to value more than the old liberty.

In 1990, writes Adam Liptak of The New York Times, Chief Justice of
the Canadian Supreme Court Brian Dickson wrote, in upholding the
conviction of one James Keegstra for anti-Semitic slurs:

"(T)he international commitment to eradicate hate propaganda and,
most importantly, the special role given equality and
multiculturalism in the Canadian Constitution necessitate a
departure from the view ... that the suppression of hate propaganda
is incompatible with the guarantee of free expression."

There you have it. Canada's commitment to multiculturalism and the
equality of all religions, races and cultures requires the
silencing of those who do not believe all races, creeds and
cultures are equal.

The dogmas of the Diverse Society dictate that the cherished rights
of the Free Society be sacrificed on the altar of social tranquility.

What has caused this reversal of the advance of freedom?

Western Man has come to believe there are more important values
than freedom, if men use their freedom in ways our new Lords
Temporal find unacceptable.

Nor is this anything new. Censorship has always had powerful
patrons and not always benighted backers.

In the Middle Ages, pious men sought to silence heretics because
they believed the Faith led to Paradise, while its loss led to Hell
for all eternity. The Christian censorship we mock today was born
of men's deepest convictions about the most important thing in
life: salvation.

Devout Muslims believe heretics and apostates should be put to
death. Islam is the most important thing in their lives, and its
truths are valued more than any freedom to mock them.

And, indeed, most men accept some form of censorship.

Most of us believe that published or spoken lies that ruin good
names should be punished by libel and slander laws. Most of us
believe there are military secrets that must be protected. Not a
few Americans believe that the moral codes imposed on Hollywood by
the Legion of Decency helped protect society from the toxic
pollution that poisons our children. Most of us support FCC
sanctions against filthy language or racist slurs on the airwaves.

Nor is government censorship unknown to America.

President John Adams signed the Sedition Acts, which called for the
incarceration of journalists who wrote insultingly of him. Abraham
Lincoln suppressed newspapers that denounced his war. Woodrow
Wilson imprisoned the Socialist Eugene Debs for denouncing his war.

A new censorship is now arising. We read of speech codes on
campuses, sensitivity training for freshman, and tribunals before
which students are made to grovel and recant for joking references
that offended some minority or other.

"The best test of truth," said Justice Holmes, "is the power of
thought to get itself accepted in the marketplace."

Nonsense. Editor Elijah Lovely was lynched in Alton, Ill., in 1837
for advocating abolition -- against the view of the marketplace.
Truth is truth, whether the majority agrees or not.

Yet, one's money ought to be on the new censors, for men who
believe deeply in something, even when wrong, usually triumph over
men who believe in nothing.

Today, the true believers in Islam and the true believers in
diversity uber alles are making common cause against those who
believe in freedom of speech and the press. As the former have the
convictions and increasingly the power, they may prevail, and not
only in Canada and Europe.

A new orthodoxy is arising. Freedom's finest hour may be behind us.



Dear [comrade],

So well written! So why did Patrick James Buchanan not build a mass movement and then bolt to create a third party in 1992, 1996 and 2000 when all eyes were on him, he was running for president and he was racking up strong showings in GOP primary after primary, and winning the key state of NH!?

Surely he foresaw this day of censorship. Hate speech laws were already old by then. They had been on the books in Canada, France, Germany and Britain since the early 1970s or before!

My friends have gone to prison under them!

It has always been clear to the PJBs of this world what the ultimate Jew agenda was: the death of every freedom except "Would you like fries with that?"

When I think back to my Hungarian-American friend's account (published here on J&E and on the five websites I use) of his bitter disappointment that Buchanan did not bolt the GOP in 1996 -- the Gay Old Pervert party -- I think forward to this morning, to a face I saw hope in.

In 1996, Time magazine built Buchanan up as the white populist hero so his inevitable return to GOP conformity would devastate morale all the more. He had done it in 1992, and he would do it again in 2000. Who will be the Great False Hope of 2008, to break white hearts? Yet in the next four year we are likely to slip into threatened-minority status. I believe that white women of child-bearing years are already a minority.


I spoke today to a steam shovel operator named Thomas, working near our house digging a drainage ditch for a beautiful new light-blue house, quasi-ranch style with a nice white porch. Totally insulated, energy-saving -- a mere $100K for a brand-spanking large new home.

(Builders have slashed new-home prices here and are staying comfortably in business therewith. Who wants to renovate an old , leaky house when you can build a brand-new, state-of -the art, energy-efficient home for $100K -- located in a 98% white county of mountains, lakes, trails, rivers, wildlife galore, hunting and fishing, and just 20 minutes from the gleaming skyline of downtown Pittsburgh???)

The Belle Riviere ("Beautiful River," explored by France), is known also and officially by the Indian name "Allegheny," a word whose origins (Indian/Keltic/Norse/Solutrean?) are unknown. Its pure water is the drinking source for our town. Its banks are a paradise for swimming kids, dogs and fun-craving adults, fishermen and speedboaters.

The Belle Riviere/Allegheny is the giant river system descending from upstate western New York in a southwesterly direction toward the city of Pittsburgh. (This city formerly was "Ft. Duquesne" under the French, who explored and founded it.) The French, like the Indians, agreed that it and the Ohio (which goes all the way to the Mississippi, and is the river going leftward from Pittsburgh off the map) are one and the same major river. The Monongahela ("MonONgaHAYla") feeds up into it from West Virginia at Pittsburgh .

A SUPERB, gripping, politically incorrect book by John DeMay (Norman name). Scots-Irish and German settlers and rangers (forest volunteer militias) waged fierce battles here with literally cannibalistic, diabolically torturing Indians in the 1750-1790 period. These red men themselves were newcomers from the Delaware Valley back east who had been ordered to move west by the ferocious Indian empire called the Iroquois Confederacy under an Iroquois agreement with the white man. The foundations of pioneer forts dot our area, and of farmhouses burnt by Delaware Indians. Delaware and Seneca would roast and eat white children before their captured mothers, or tie white soldiers with a long rope to a central stake and chase them round and round with burning pikes, then scalp them and pour glowing red coals on their skinless skulls, while eating their cut-off ears and fingers. Ah, the noble red man of liberal fame, Dancing With Wolves. . This is also what they did to each other, BTW, for days on end -- torture festivals. The next day, the same Indians would ask to smoke the peace pipe with the Americans, and give flowery, cynical speeches about interracial peace -- that would "last in brotherhood as long as the grass grows and the rivers flow" -- quite in the manner of Barack Obama. They promised "change" every time.

Thomas, a handsome Slovak-American (a very industrious Slavic people), was furious at Mexicans coming in -- in an ever bigger trickle -- into our area of western Pennsylvania -- illegal aliens STEALING American jobs like his.

The more we talked about the white downfall the more enraged he got. He had grown up in a Pittsburgh neighborhood that had gone black, and dangerous.

Now he was out in Irwin, west of the city, but the 10 % black there was too much for him. "They mind their Ps and Qs . . . because they're so few . . . but more are coming out!"

I told him about Canada's hate-speech laws and the guy who got a $15,000 fine there from the Human Relations Council for a booklet quoting the popes against the evils of homosexuality. He was stunned, and became even more enraged.

I told him about my friend Henrik, facing 4.5 years behind bars for protesting the gang rapes (unsolved!) of blonde Finnish girls by blakc, Muslim Somalians in his high Scandinavian city of Oulu, up in northern Finland on the chilly Baltic.

Facing 4.5 years for insulting the honor of black [gang rapists], racism -- and a mysterious "copyright violation." Now translating David Duke's superb Jewish Supremacism into Finnish

He was speechless. "Jesus," was all his said.

He said: "I ain't voting for any of them clowns running!" I told him I was planning to run, and he said "Well, you DEFINITELY got my vote, John!"

He told me his father had bought "dozens of guns" against "the blacks and the police, throwing their weight around."

This was NOT a trailer park hothead. This was NOT "white trash." This was a TYPICAL western Pennsylvanian. I have had dozens of such conversations, with angry working-class white men and white women, driving nice cars, gorgeous late-model pickups and living in big, nice houses. Gun-owners, hunters, parents.

As I strolled with the two dogs back to my house, I remember the look in his face when I told him that someone HAD to run to give us a third choice for president, and that I would step up to the plate.

His eyes, unaccustomed to hoping any more, had gotten wider. He began to start to dare to dream just a little.

I re-used my phrase from my 1990 Congressional campaign:

"I think white people should have some rights too in this country."

(Hard to depict that as offensive. What does a Jew say against THAT?)

I saw him nod vigorously, more and more vigorously as for the first time he heard magic words that healed and raised him up again.

Pat Buchanan, how could you just dump all your supporters - in 1991, again in 1996 and again in 2000 -- back into the untender mercies of the Gay Old Pervert sell-out party? (His Reform Party candidacy was a sick, go-through-the-motions joke. He announced the day after the election he had done nothing to impede George Bush's victory -- and he was returning to the GOP!!)

How could you break their hearts, Pat, when you in your day also saw The Folk, those trusting, slaving working white people who do our dangerous jobs and are the nation's backbone in peace and war -- the people of the names on the Vietnam Memorial [go there if you want to choke up; I did at the four Nugents there, though I knew them not]),

--when you see those eyes getting wide with hope -- when YOU yourself MADE those eyes hopeful and wide -- how can you urge them, after they followed you all the way, through all the rain, snow, sweat and fatigue, state after state, following "Pitchfork Pat" in every primary, turning off thier air conditioner so they could send Pat some extra nickels ?? --

HOW COULD YOU urge them to stay in, or return to the eternal sell-out party of Abraham Lincoln, that was conceived in anti-constitutional federal tyranny over the states, and born in useless white fratricide over Blacks?

Gettysburg. Over 600,000 mostly young white men died in the War of Federal Aggression -- almost 100% of northern European blood. Since the white population has grown sixfold since then (from 30 million to 180 million) there are now probably nearly four million less white men and women in this country due to so many young deaths of sonless and daughterless boys in the mud, screams and agony of federal war against the states that once had voluntarily joined the Union, states that had freely formed it from their own territories, fought and freed with their own blood from Indians and from London. Abraham Lincoln began the staggering expansion of federal power. In fact, before his time Americans correctly said "the United States ARE....." but afterward, they were told to write, ungrammatically, ""the United States [plural] IS [singular!]....."

When you are a leader, and you lift up your followers, and their hearts open, their eyes glisten, their faces radiate with a new hope -- how can you dash those hopes?

Woe to that man who leads his sheep to the wolves.

I will not do that. Nor am I a shepherd.

Nor do I want sheep.

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A comrade sent me this notice from USA Today:

"Across the USA: Wisconsin: Milwaukee",
[USA Today, June 13, 2008. pA10]

Organizers have raised $3.5 million to build a German-American
Cultural Center in Menomonee Falls. They hope to convert a restaurant and banquet hall to the nation's largest German- American heritage site.

Samuel Scheibler, executive director of the German-American Cultural Foundation of Wisconsin, said the site would be dedicated Sunday.

Planned German-American Heritage Center. The State of Wisconsin is about 51% German. Germans are also by far the biggest group in Minnesota, despite the Scandinavian reputation. A gigantic swath of the Midwest, prairie and cowboy states features German as the largest ethnic heritage. In fact, the Heartland (of which Pennsylvania is a part) is basically German, then Irish, Scots-Irish and Slavic. A friend iin Ohio wrote me: "Everyone in the Midwest is 'German + something.' German and Scottish, German and Irish, German and Slovakian, German and Polish. German permeates the whole region. That's that Midwest feeling: hardworking, law-abiding, not showy. . . ." But the cross German-Americans bear is to basically cringe inwardly at every perpetual mention on Jew TV and in academia of the so-called Holocaust


Dear [comrade],

Of interest. There are about 52 MILLION Americans of German/ /Austrian/Alsatian/Swiss-German heritage -- and many of them feel stirrings of pride in their perpetually maligned ancestors.

Sometimes it is just buying a German car, drinking German beer -- or getting even sicker than the rest of us at Holocaustomania's steady drip-drip-drip.

I worked with Hans Schmidt (formerly of the Adolf Hitler division of
the Waffen-SS) on a pilot German-American heritage foundation in the mid-1980s. Tragically, it ran out of money, but we did a test mailing to a "cold list" of Americans with merely German last names in the Chicagoland, and got a 5% response.

Hans Schmidt, author, soldier, thinker. His book SS Panzer Grenadier is a fine introduction for Americans (Schmidt built flourishing businesses in California) to the truth about the Waffen-SS, in a way the Marines of the Third Reich.

5% from a "cold list" (never before accessed) is actually huge. One in 20 of these assimilated Americans -- whose German ancestry may have gone back three or five generations -- sent us checks.

I am positive that this is a vast, untapped source of both anger at the Jews and pride in heritage -- and it can be harnessed for a white civil rights movement.

I once did a look-see at several pages of subscribers to America Free Press. The names were about 40% German.

When a German-American sees St. Patrick's Day, or Columbus Day, or Kwanzaa, or Dia de la Raza {"Day of the mestizo race'], it reminds him that he belongs to the one spit-upon nationality left.

A friend (actually a Swedish-American) attended an Air Force ROTC meeting at U. Maryland/College Park. To warm/loosen up the cadets, the instuctor was asking about ethnic backgrounds. "Who here is Irish?" Boisterous Yeah! and raising of a few hands. Who here is Italian? Hey, pasta fazu! Polish? Five hands shot up, with the same rowdy, festive spirit.

Who here is German?

Silently, more than half the class raised their hands.


George Westinghouse (Westinghaus) was of German descent from New York State. His development of the air brake meant trains could race along at high speeds, not crawl along using brake pads to slow them down. (What brake pad material then or now could slow a fifty-boxcar train? ) Westinghouse then became a legendary developer of electrical equipment, competing with Thomas Edison. Westinghouse Corporation is still a fine and major employer in Pittsburgh, where it is headquartered, and has moved into nuclear energy.


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How right you are, John. It is of great interest.

Your comments are so on target, and it's something I'm just becoming more painfully aware of, having lived in denial for most of my life (along with other German-Americans, some of whom dislike Germans!!).

Isn't Milwaukee, Wisconsin the home of a new or proposed Holocaust Museum? Because there are a lot of Germans there to torture, I guess.

We were recently discussing the 8 million bucks the State of Illinois has given to Skokie Township (highly populated by Holo survivors) to build their own "Holocaust" Museum. Three times that much is coming from Jewish organizations. Can't remember now what the third source was.

But one particular Ger/Am resident of a nearby suburb is incensed that another "hate Germans" propaganda palace is going up "so long after the event and so far away from it." As an internee, along with his whole family, from 1941 to 1948 (!), as the guest of U.S. Government concentration camps, he is trying to get recognition of German-American and Italian-American internment, and it's an incredible uphill battle.

Most people just wouldn't believe the refusal of American authorities to even admit, let alone recognize how many Ger/Ams were interned, and how they were treated.

Can you direct me to that article, or others like it? I googled it and all, but nothing came up.

And yes, John, I'm with you about galvanizing this German ethnicity. I'm just getting started in this particular area of interest, and I'd like to see some action.

(Sorry if this jpg is more than 600 pixels; otherwise it is unreadable. ) I slaved over this map in 1985, as far as I know the first-ever white ethnic map based on the US Census.


From one of my "Of Teutonic Blood' articles from The Barnes Review.:

Quote:Many German, Austrian or Swiss German corporations have become American household names: Nestlés, Red Bull (energy drinks from Salzburg), Glock pistols (widely used by police, also from Austria), Jaegermeister (a strange, bitter, licorice liqueur that causes tipsiness with chilling German efficiency), and obviously Audi, BMW, Mercedes and Volkswagen.

Ze Churmanss und ze Ohstrians of course luff any drink zat giffs moah enerchee. Red Bull is headquartered in Salzburg. It contains 21.5 g sucrose, 5.25 g of glucose, 50 mg of inositol, 1000 mg of taurine, 600 mg of glucuronolactone, vitamin B — 20 mg of niacin, 5 mg of vitamin B6, 5 mg of pantothenic acid and 5 μg of vitamin B12 — and 80 mg of caffeine, with a mixed-berry taste. The Austrian formula (the drink began in Thailand) is said to increase physical endurance, mental sharpness and concentration.

Dietrich Mateschitz, Austrian billionaire. Wikipedia's article on his bestselling product is quite interesting.

America’s “thing” for Volkswagens is interesting. “Volkswagen” was Hitler’s own chosen name for the universally affordable “Folk Wagon” (“people’s car”) that he had Ferdinand Porsche develop and build, beginning in 1934.

Volk was of course the Third Reich’s magic word, meaning “the racial nation.” The “beetles” were built in the new city of Wolfsburg.1

The “Folk Wagon” company is now the fourth-largest car company in the world.

One of Germany’s most trivial yet ingenious gifts to America has been the perfecting of the modern potato chip. The Mikesell (“Meichsel”) Company of Dayton, Ohio achieved this wunder in 1910. In 1932 in Nashville, Herman Lay made America a world potato chip power.

The next German addition to the world “fun food” market was Fanta soda, whose orange color confirmed that it contained yet another amazing German chemical.

Franklin Roosevelt was Fanta’s evil stepfather; in 1940, he had decided to cripple the Third Reich by stopping U.S. exports of Coca-Cola syrup. That meant war, a war for the survival of Coca-Cola Deutschland and its thousands of employees now without a product. And that led quickly to Fanta.

The company’s manager was the very resourceful Max Keith. (Pronounced “kite,” Keith can be a German name, just as Peters, Winters, and Miller can be.)

Keith mixed a concoction from whey and apple fiber, then added flavoring and coloring. Searching for a brand name, he asked employees to make a suggestion, using their imagination (in German, their Fantasie). One employee, Joe Knipps, had a brainstorm: “Fanta.”

The most disgusting of all German inventions, however, appeared in 1879—saccharin, the first no-calorie artificial sweetener. Its taste caused millions of Americans to decide they would prefer to stay fat.

The most convenient German erfindung (invention) has been contact lenses, more used by Americans than any other nation. (Americans hate to look bookish.) The hard ones were invented by Adolf Fick in 1887, the soft version by Otto Wichterle in 1961.

Ja, Bausch und Lomb is also uff Churman orichin, as are contact lenses. Did you sink zat Al Sharpton in-ffented das multifokal kontakt lens?

Al Sharpton. "I has a SCHEME TODAY!"

Americans have NO idea how many household products were started by Germans, German immigrants or their descendants.

• Anheuser-Busch (beer)
• (Eddie) Bauer (sports clothing)
• Bausch and Lomb (telescopes)
• Bayer (aspirin)
• Bechtel (construction)
• Boeing (aerospace)
• (Black &) Decker (tools)
• Diebold (bank vaults, ATM machines
and recently voting machines—the Diebold
family is long gone)
• Derringer (pistols)
• Doppler (weather radar, using the
Doppler effect)
• Eckerd (drugstores)
• Engelhard (chemicals)
• Fender (the prized “Stratocaster”
electric guitar)
• Gerber (baby foods)
• Hershey (“Hirsche,” chocolate)
• Hilton (“Hilten,” hotels)
• Hoover (Huber, vacuum cleaners)
• Kaiser (aluminum)
• Keebler (“Kiebler,” cookies)
• Kemper (insurance)
• Koehler (faucets)
• Kraft (foods)
• Kroeger (2,477 supermarkets/pharmacies,
based in Cincinnati, Ohio, with $60
billion in sales)
• Heinz (ketchup)
• Hormel (meats)
• Lays (potato chips)
• Mack (trucks)
• Maytag (appliances)
• Meineke (mufflers)
• Merck (pharmaceuticals)
• Oscar Meyer (meats)
• Mosler (safes)
• Reese (peanut-butter cups & candy)
• Orville Redenbacker (popcorn)
• Sebring (Florida raceway)
• Schering (pharmaceuticals)
• Earl Scheib (car bodywork)
• Schick (razors)
• Schlage (locks)
• Schweppes (soft drinks)
• (Charles) Schwab (investments)
• Schwinn (bicycles)
• Seecamp (the Mercedes of concealable
• Siebert (manufacturing control systems)
• Smucker (jams)
• Steinway (“Steinweg” pianos)
• Stouffer (foods/hotels)
• Trump (premium real estate)
• Walgreen’s (drugstores)
• Wagner (spray paint)
• Weber (grills)
• Westinghouse electric appliances,
• Weyerhaeuser (paper)
• Ziebart (car enhancements). . . .
Of course almost every major beer
brand in America is of German origin:
• Sam Adams (Bavarian recipe from
the Koch family of Washington, D.C.)
• (Adolph) Coors
• Busch
• Michelob
• Miller (Mueller)
• Pabst
• Schaefer
• Schlitz
• Schmidt’s
• Stroh’s
• Rheingold
• Weinhard
• Yuengling (the oldest brewery in

Even Mexico’s popular Corona and Dos Equis beers, and China’s Tsing Tao brew, enjoyed by Americans, were all founded by German immigrants to those countries.

¡Viva Alemania! [Germany]
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"If I run, it will not be a joke candidacy for president. Ron Paul took in $34 million -- and yet he looks like Goofy, and his gold standard idea IS goofy."

Ron Paul looks stupid? Oh, my. He sure sounded pretty intelligent in his long interview on Meet The Press with Tim Russert. Among other things, he said there should never have been a civil war because slavery could have easily been solved otherwise, as other countries did. And he is calling for the removal of American troops from every country in the world, same as Stanley Hess. Just for starters.

I would not worry about his face, either, which I think is very much within the normal range and not at all goofy.
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Old June 18th, 2008 #17
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I am the individual PERSONALLY responsible for checking the PO Box for listener support to V.O.R.($$$$$$)

I must say I haven't collected a dime from those "most disturbed" about the broadcast line-up at V.O.R.

If you have something to say, why not put some $$$$$$ behind it?
Old June 18th, 2008 #18
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MIKE, why must you always start a thread about stuff concerning VOR? Is your PM button broken? PM me and I'll tell you what is going on. John is doing his own thing, he was a pain to work with. When he left, he went behind our backs at VOR and interviewed all of our hosts, taken credit for other stuff, etc.. What else is there to say?
Old June 19th, 2008 #19
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Originally Posted by Mishko Novosel View Post
MIKE, why must you always start a thread about stuff concerning VOR? Is your PM button broken? PM me and I'll tell you what is going on. John is doing his own thing, he was a pain to work with. When he left, he went behind our backs at VOR and interviewed all of our hosts, taken credit for other stuff, etc.. What else is there to say?
I am amazed, Mishko, that you would write such things. I have never publicly criticized you, Dietrich or VOR. In fact, I have consistently continued to praise your efforts, VOR's programming and its hosts.

It was with delight that Peter Schaenk and Susie of the Subie sisters accepted to be on my show, where I plugged their shows on VOR constantly. I did not go around your back to contact them, since they are not your employees to own.

Show with Susie of the Patriot Dames on VOR, where I boost VOR constantly:

Show with Peter Schaenk, where I boost VOR frequently:

I think white unity and solidarity are very good things, Mr. Mishko Novosel. Do you not as well? Or should WNs trash each other publicly as Jews gloat?
Old June 19th, 2008 #20
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Originally Posted by Stronza View Post
"If I run, it will not be a joke candidacy for president. Ron Paul took in $34 million -- and yet he looks like Goofy, and his gold standard idea IS goofy."

Ron Paul looks stupid? Oh, my. He sure sounded pretty intelligent in his long interview on Meet The Press with Tim Russert. Among other things, he said there should never have been a civil war because slavery could have easily been solved otherwise, as other countries did. And he is calling for the removal of American troops from every country in the world, same as Stanley Hess. Just for starters.

I would not worry about his face, either, which I think is very much within the normal range and not at all goofy.
His heroes are "Martin Luther King and Rosa Parks." Said it at a GOP debate.

This man cannot be our leader.

Denied he doubted the government's version of 9/11.

Never spoke of vote fraud, of white interests or of the Jewish threat. Those topics can no longer be put off any longer.
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