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Old May 29th, 2009 #1
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CROAT ORIGINS

Goths
Slavs, Illyrians



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Goths:
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The Goths (Gothic: gutans, Gutans) were a heterogeneous East Germanic tribe. Originating in semi-legendary Scandza, believed to be somewhere in modern Götaland, Sweden, a Gothic population had crossed the Baltic Sea before the 2nd century, lending their name to the region of Gothiscandza, believed to be the lower Vistula region in modern Pomerelia, Poland. The archaeological Wielbark (Willenberg) culture is associated with the arrival of the Goths and their subsequent agglomeration with the indigeneous population. From the mid-2nd century onward, groups of these Goths started migrating to the Southeast along the Vistula river, reaching Scythia at the coast of the Black Sea in modern Ukraine where they left their archaeological traces in the Chernyakhov culture.

Throughout the 3rd and 4th centuries, the Scythian Goths were divided into at least two distinct entities, the Thervingi and the Greuthungi, divided by the Dnestr river. They repeatedly harried the Roman Empire during the Gothic Wars and later adopted Arian Christianity.
Slavs:
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The Slavic Peoples are an ethnic and linguistic branch of Indo-European peoples, living mainly in eastern and central Europe. From the early 6th century they spread from their original homeland (most commonly thought to be in Eastern Europe) to inhabit most of eastern Central Europe, Eastern Europe and the Balkans.[1] Many settled later in Siberia[2] and Central Asia[3] or emigrated to other parts of the world.[4][5] Over half of Europe is, territorially and demographically speaking, inhabited by Slavic-speaking communities[6]

Modern nations and ethnic groups called by the ethnonym "Slavs" are considerably genetically and culturally diverse and relations between them are varied, ranging from a sense of connection to feelings of mutual resentment.
EUROPEAN GENETICS:


* K => 40,000 years ago (probably arose in northern Iran)
* T => 30,000 years ago (around the Red Sea)
* J => 30,000 years ago (in the Middle East)
* R => 28,000 years ago (in the Central Asia)
* E1b1b => 26,000 years ago (in southern Africa)
* I => 25,000 years ago (in the Balkans)
* R1a => 21,000 years ago (in southern Central Asia)
* R1b => 20,000 years ago (in the Northwest Asia)
* E-M78 => 18,000 years ago (in north-eastern Africa)
* G => 17,000 years ago (between India and the Caucasus)
* I2 => 17,000 years ago (in the Balkans)
* J2 => 15,000 years ago (in northern Mesopotamia)
* I2b => 13,000 years ago (in Central Europe)
* R1a1 => 12,000 years ago (north of the Black Sea)
* N1c1 => 12,000 years ago (in Siberia)
* I2a => 11,000 years ago (in the Balkans)
* R1b1b2 => 10,000 years ago (in the Eurasian Steppes)
* J1 => 10,000 years ago (in the Arabian peninsula)
* E-V13 => 10,000 years ago (in the Balkans)
* I2b1 => 9,000 years ago (in Germany)
* I2a1 => 8,000 years ago (in Sardinia)
* I2a2 => 7,500 years ago (in the Dinaric Alps)
* E-M81 => 5,500 years ago (in the Maghreb)
* I1 => 5,000 years ago (in Scandinavia)
* R1b-L21 => 4,000 years ago (in the British Isles)
* R1b-S28 => 3,500 years ago (around the Alps)
* R1b-S21 => 3,000 years ago (in Frisia)
* I2b1a => less than 3,000 years ago (in Britain)




CROATIAN/EUROPEAN GENETICS:


Croatian Haplogroups:
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Genetically, on the Y chromosome line, a majority (>87%) of Croats belong to one of the three major European Y-DNA haplogroups -- Haplogroup I (38%), Haplogroup R1a 35% and Haplogroup R1b 16%[28]. All three groups migrated to Europe during the upper paleolithic around 30,000-20,000 BC.
Croat Haplogroups

Later, neolithic lineages, originating in the Middle East and that brought agriculture to Europe, are present in surprisingly low numbers. The haplogroups J, E and G constitute together less than 10% - significantly lower than other populations in the region. Furthermore the dominant presence of haplogroup I is rather interesting. This group exists in Europe only and is fairly widespread, but in relatively small percentages. Its frequency in the Balkans is high, but the only populations that have similar levels of the I group are the Scandinavians. Haplogroup I is believed to have weathered the last glacial maximum in the western Balkans, migrating north as the ice sheets retreated.




Croatian DNA or rather to say Halpogroup structure:
Croat haplogroups:


Haplogroup I: Goths, Y-DNA Distribution
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Y-DNA Haplogroup I (the letter I, not the number 1) represents nearly one-fifth of the population of Europe. It can be found in most present-day European populations, with greatest density in Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Scandinavia and Sardinia.







Haplogroup I2 (Y-DNA)



Haplogroup R1a:
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In the western extreme of the central range of R1a, around 50% of male lines amongst Sorbs, Poles, Belarusians, Hungarians and Ukrainians have consistently proven to be R1a positive in various surveys, with slightly lower frequencies being found in mainland Croatia[3], Slovenia[4] and amongst Greek Macedonians







So by these statistics we can clearly see that strongest Halogroup in Croatians is Halpogropus I, which was brought by Goths (scandinavians) and that means that theory about Croats as decendants of Goths is correct.
Second strong Haplogroup in Croatians is R1a (aka Aryan haplogroup), which is brought by migrations of Slavic people. Now this brings us to conclusion that we indeed are descendants of Goths mixed with Slavs which makes us a hybrid between German-Slavic people. These here are pure facts, not my imagination. believe what you want. Third one is R1b. Fact is that all three genetic groups are European, Aryan. And as everyone sees Scandinavians as perfect example of a white man, Croats are there as well. We share the haplogroups with Scandinavians more then anyone else in Europe.

Croats do share halpogroups with Slavic nations, but are not in whole a Slavic nation. They are mixture of Germanic/Gothic and Slavic, with predominantly Germanic or even better to say Scandinavian halpogroup.
That doesn't surprises me at all, since im a blond, tall...pretty much as viking were described. My college across me is too, only he has blue eyes, and i got Hazel. Croatians use Slavic language and there for are placed in Slavic branch of human sub-races, when it comes to culture and history Croats have been on both sides. Religiously, Croats are Chatolics while most of the so called Slavic countries are Orthodox. While Austo-Hungarian dual monarchy we have been developing Germanic culture, traditions, names and after that we have been in Yugoslavia where Slavic traditions and culture has been pushed. Afther that alliance with NS Germany, NDH is risen, and germanic traditions and culture is predominant again. (my grand-grand-father was named Otto), and after that again Yugoslavia is pushed.
Today, we are on our way to entering EU (which ain't that good thing) but at least we are again joining predominantly Germanic population and not Slavic. Which will result in even more "Germanization" "Europeization" of Croatia and even less connections to Croatian participial Slavic origin and will result in even bigger difference between Croats and Serbs.



Historical evidence of Croat origin:


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White Croatia (also Chrobatia) is a vaguely defined area, said to lie somewhere in Central Europe, near Bavaria, beyond Hungary on south of Poland and west of Ukraine, and adjacent to the Frankish Empire from which the White Croats crossed the Carpathians and migrated in the 7th century into Dalmatia (modern-day Croatia). Constantine Porphyrogenitus (905-959), a Byzantine emperor and writer, mentions the state bearing the name of White Croatia. His description shows that it occupied a wide region around its capital Krakow, in parts of Bohemia, Slovakia, and Poland. The state disappeared in 999. Saint Adalbert (Vojtech, 10th century) was a descendant of the White Croats, son of the White-Croatian prince Slavnik. He was spreading Christianity, education and culture, and to this end founded the benedictine monastery in Brevnov in 993. Also St. Ivan Hrvat, who died in Tetin in Bohemia in 910, was a son of White-Croatian King Gostumil. It is interesting to add that according to some American documents from the beginning of this century there were about 100,000 immigrants to the USA born around Krakow (Poland) who declared themselves to be Bielo-Chorvats, i.e. White Croats by nationality. See US Senate-Reports on the Immigration commission, Dictionary of races or peoples, Washington DC, 1911, p. 40, 43, 105.


Hitler about Croats and Croatia:

This is here because National Socialist regime was the most racially aware regime in history of human kind, therefor thought of Hitler about Croats should be counted. At least, just as a little bonus information to viewers.
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The conqueror of a country is forced to adapt himself to the local language. That is why language is not the immovable monument on which a people's characteristics are inscribed. A people's way of eating, for example, is racially more typical — for every man remains persuaded in his heart that his mother is the best cook. When I tasted the soup of the people of Schleswig - Holstein, it occurred to me that the gruel of the Spartans cannot have been very different. In the time of the great migrations, the tribes were the product of ceaseless mixtures. The men who arrived in the South were not the same as those who went away. One can imagine two hundred young Friesians setting out for the South, like a tank setting out across country, and carrying with them men belonging to other tribes. The Croats are certainly more Germanic than Slav. The Esthonians, too, have a lot of Germanic blood... - page 8

If the Croats were part of the Reich, we'd have them serving as faithful auxiliaries of the German Fuehrer, to police our marshes. Whatever happens, one shouldn't treat them as Italy is doing at present. The Croats are a proud people. They should be bound directly to the Fuehrer by an oath of loyalty. Like that, one could rely upon them absolutely. When I have Kvaternik standing in front of me, I behold the very type of the Croat as I've always known him, unshakeable in his friendships, a man whose oath is eternally binding. The Croats are very keen on not being regarded as Slavs. According to them, they're descended from the Goths. The fact that they speak a Slav language is only an accident, they say. - page 95

In the Eastern territories I shall replace the Slav geographical titles by German names. The Crimea, for example, might be called Gothenland. Here and there one meets amongst the Arabs men with fair hair and blue eyes. They're the descendants of the Vandals who occupied North Africa. The same phenomenon in Castille and Croatia. The blood doesn't disappear. - page 61

The Hungarians are better governed than the Rumanians. What a pity they can't instal Croats instead of Rumanians! The Hungarians are wildly nationalist. They assimilate the Germans at extraordinary speed, and they know how to select the best of them for posts of command. We shan't succeed in preserving the German minorities in Hungary except by taking over control of the State—or else we shall have to withdraw our minorities from Hungary. - page 338

It is not possible to generalise on the extent to which the Slav races are susceptible to the Germanic imprint. In point of fact, Tsarist Russia, within the framework of her pan-Slav policy, propagated the qualification Slav and imposed it on a large diversity of people, who had no connection with the Slavonic race. For example, to label the Bulgarians as Slavs is pure nonsense; originally they were Turkomans. The same applies to the Czechs. It is enough for a Czech to grow a moustache for anyone to see, from the way the thing droops, that his origin is Mongolian. Among the so-called Slavs of the South the Dinars are predominant. Turning to the Croats, I must say I think it is highly desirable, from the ethnical point of view, that they should be Germanised. There are, however, political reasons which completely preclude any such measures. There is one cardinal principle. This question of the Germanisation of certain peoples must not be examined in the light of abstract ideas and theory. We must examine each particular case. The only problem is to make sure whether the offspring of any race will mingle well with the German population and will improve it, or whether, on the contrary (as is the case when Jew blood is mixed with German blood), negative results will arise.

The beauties of the Crimea, which we shall make accessible by means of an autobahn—for us Germans, that will be our Riviera. Crete is scorching and dry. Cyprus would be lovely, but we can reach the Crimea by road. Along that road lies Kiev! And Croatia, too, a tourists' paradise for us. I expect that after the war there will be a great upsurge of rejoicing. - page 4


For the end, to make the post less "boring" i'll put few pictures of ordinary, average or even famous Croatian citizens through times:





I hope i was clear enough. Enjoy the reading.






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Already debunked- chronologically your made up history is garbage, I1 isn't present in Croatia so the only thing this whole huge lengthy post proves is that you are probably White, something I have no contention over since all racial groups have large scum bags some even have whole nations of them. The White race is mostly noble but it has its flaws. This whole post is more or less pointless, why you had to post it twice - I have no idea.
 
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Already debunked- chronologically your made up history is garbage, I1 isn't present in Croatia so the only thing this whole huge lengthy post proves is that you are probably White, something I have no contention over since all racial groups have large scum bags some even have whole nations of them. The White race is mostly noble but it has its flaws. This whole post is more or less pointless, why you had to post it twice - I have no idea.
Boleded part is just an ignorant hypocritical claim made by a single retarded individual. And your whole post is more or less pointless which is clear by the amount of facts you placed in your post...and facts you have posted are equal to none (0) ...
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Already debunked- chronologically your made up history is garbage, I1 isn't present in Croatia so the only thing this whole huge lengthy post proves is that you are probably White, something I have no contention over since all racial groups have large scum bags some even have whole nations of them. The White race is mostly noble but it has its flaws. This whole post is more or less pointless, why you had to post it twice - I have no idea.
And what is yours origins:

son of Mongol and Chechen hooker?

maybe son of Drunken German and Chinese hooker?

Or, what is mostly truth here: you are yust another fucking Russian Jew who are conected with KGB?
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Already debunked- chronologically your made up history is garbage,
You are totally funny. But it isn't any marvel that all Serbs are smart just like you.
 
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You are totally funny. But it isn't any marvel that all Serbs are smart just like you.
In general Serbs are very smart but are too pacifist in mindset.
 
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I'd like to add this map:



We can clearly see that West-Goten and Ostgoten where migrating across Croatian territory, Dalmatia and Panonia in year 400-450. This is just one more proof about Croatian connection with ancient Gothic tribes and proof behind I Haplogroup dna similarity of Croats (and balkans overall) with Scandinavia.
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One more map, this one shows us the Europe under Hun's...
Clearly, large Gothic tribe settled on modern-day Croatia and remained there...
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Удружени лоби Јапанских произвођача електронике жалио се Економском Сваету УН, због прекомерног извоза ЕИ Ниш-ових телевизора на јапанско тржиште, услед чега су многе од ових фирми пале под стечај.


Бугарска, Румунија и Грчка поднеле молбу за чланство у Савезу Српских Земаља.
По речима министара иностраних послова ових земаља, референдумом је одлучено да ове земље иступе из ЕУ, која је по њиховим речима *сувише декадентна и економски заостала за ССЗ*.

Влада Србије одобрила још један дугорочни кредит Сједињеми Америчким Државама са образложењем да је наш народ одувек помагао Америчком народу који је сад у тако тешкој економској и моралној кризи.

Репрезентацији Србије је на последњем заседању Олимпијског Комитета, забрањено учешће у дисциплинама :
ватерполо, кошарка, одбојка и стрељштво,
на предстојећој Олимпијади која ће се одржати у Суботици,
због тога што су ове репрезентације освојиле више од 25 златних медаља на претходним такмичењима,
па су остале репрезентације најавиле бојкот Олимпијаде у случају да се и наведене репрезентације Србије пријаве за ово такмичење.

П.С. Кад већ сви закувавају, морам мало и ја... :lol:

 
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